Time for a new truck?

Elliott Willschick · 09-13-2003, 11:07 PM

I have a 2002 Ford Explorer. On Wednesday the 4x4 mode started coming on during turns. I took into the Ford dealer and they couldn't replicate the problem and found nothing wrong. It drove great on Thursday night. Friday morning I turned it on and it was already in 4x4 low. I tried to put it into drive to just get to the top of my driveway except the transmission didn't engage and I started rolling back. I turned the car off and on, it was fine. The same thing happend this morning except the transmission did engage. After restarting the car it went away. The dealer said they had never heard of this and I don't know how to get them to fix it. Any advice?

I am horrified that this may happen while on the highway and I am seriously considering terminating my lease and getting a 4runner. In my experience, when something is intermittent, it's not usually repairable. Getting out of the lease is expensive so I was just wondering if anyone thought I have any hope of getting this problem fixed or if I should just go for the 4runner?

Steve_Tk · 09-13-2003, 11:29 PM

I'd say get the 4Runner. I've had enough problems with the GMs and Fords of the world so I'm very biased against their reliability. Not only do they make garbage, but their service centers are absolutely terrible.

Henry Carmona · 09-14-2003, 12:16 AM

Since we're speaking in general here, id like to say that in MY experience with import 4x4's THEY are the ones making garbage.

My last Toyota 4x4 was always breaking something, i hated it!

Not to mention that most all my buddies with Toyotas that 4 wheel for recreation all have aftermarket parts in their trucks due to easy breakage.

Not bad 4x4's when upgraded though.

My last Chevy Z-71 was a dream! Always got me to my hunting lease and through some crazy stuff. NEVER had a problem with it. I sure hated selling her last month

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I guess if you just want something to get you to work you could go import. Great realiablity on the street and good gas mileage

Anyway, i dont think you should worry about the 4x4 engaging in low on the highway. Im not certain about Ford, but i dont think theres a problem driving in 4x4H on the highway.

Of course, its not ok for it to happen all on its own. I hope you can get it fixed.

Christ Reynolds · 09-14-2003, 01:06 AM

i'd go with the 4runner too. and if the dealer cant replicate your problem, good luck getting ANYWHERE with them. it may end up costing you more just to keep the explorer. plus it could be an enormous safety hazard to you, your passengers, and other drivers around you. my experience with american cars has been that most of them are garbage. i had better end the post here before i go into my GM diatribe. get the 4runner!

CJ

Philip_G · 09-14-2003, 03:33 AM

don't take our word for it. Get a copy of consumer reports and look at the factual data (reliability reports) then decide for yourself.

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brentl · 09-14-2003, 08:05 AM

Leave the car with one of the dealer mechanics for a couple of days. It should replicate during those days and they can figure it out.

I'm not too sure aboot loaners for an unproven problem.

Brent

Steve_Tk · 09-14-2003, 02:02 PM

My mother has a 4runner and has never had to leave her car with the dealer for a few days for anything. But my GM has spent over 2 weeks at the dealer this year alone and it's only ~4 years old. Most of that 2 weeks comes from taking the car in, bringing home after it's been fixed, then taking it back because they didn't fix anything at all.

Michael D. Bunting · 09-14-2003, 04:19 PM

Get a Nissan Pathfinder or maybe a Nissan Murano (more family-friendly).

I can't say enough good things about mine....I have a 2003 PF LE.

Steve Schaffer · 09-14-2003, 08:26 PM

I'm a technician in a Toyota dealership service department.

It is nearly impossible in most cases to solve a problem like this if it can't be replicated, or if the system involved doesn't have some kind of self-diagnostic function.

More and more systems these days are controlled by computers and will store trouble codes when malfunctions occur. Usually such systems will cause one or more warning lights to come on when a malfunction occurs.

An example would be the Anti-lock brake system, some cruise control systems, etc. On some Toyotas trouble codes can be pulled for malfunctionning climate control systems.

I beleive the 4wd system on the Explorer is at least electrically operated if not computerized, and the intermittent nature of the problem indicates the fault is most probably electrical in nature.

I don't know whether this system will store trouble codes or not, probably not, but I'd bet the fault is a loose wire or bad electrical connection somewhere.

Most all mfgs have either web-based technical assistance or tech assistance phone hotlines or both. Usually on a problem like this if the particular system doesn't set trouble codes that can be extracted with a scantool, and the dealer has never encountered the problem before, the first thing to do is to access the factory tech assistance for advice. Often the factory will be aware of a cure for these problems.

My advice would be to keep the Explorer for the time being. As Brent L. said, leave it with the dealer overnight or longer. Your selling dealer may not have techs particularly talented at electrical diagnosis--not uncommon, so it may help to try more than one dealership.

Document all occurences of the problem, and all visits to the service dept. but try to stay on good terms with the service advisors and such. Find the factory assistance number in your owner's manual or the warranty manual that came with your car and get them involved.

By all means do not terminate the lease on your own and take a loss if the problem can't be cured.

I'm pretty sure there are lemon laws in Canada--research the one in your area and use it if this problem can't be solved by your dealership service dept.

Elliott Willschick · 09-14-2003, 10:20 PM

Thanks for all of the replies. I did some research and it seems the problem is either with a speed sensor or the transfer case. I thought it may be a transmission problem based on what the techs experienced at Ford and I didn't want to keep a truck with transmission problems. The dealer had it for 30 hours and couldn't find the problem. Today it's happening more often so I feel a little more confident they can pinpoint the problem.

Update: I took it to the dealer this morning. They always look at you like you're lying. That's why I was considering ending the lease because Ford techs are so skeptical. I felt like saying I made the whole thing up, in fact I wear this suit even though I don't have a job. Anyway, hopefully I'll get somewhere this time.