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Old 03-01-2008, 03:33 PM   #66 of 123
Richard--W
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Re: FOX WESTERNS ON MAY - And The Gunfighter is among them!!!!!


If only MGM would release BILLY THE KID.
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Originally Posted by Simon Howson
I can't wait to see the widescreen version of The Big Trail as well, and I'm glad they are including the 35mm version, because I never bothered to buy the old edition. I imagine it will be a new transfer, so it should be worthwhile for people who bought the earlier copy.

Curiously, IMDB.COM says that the Grandeur version was restored to 35mm anamorphic prints. I wonder if the DVD transfer will be from that restoration, or is this a new restoration going back to the 70mm negative? Will the transfer be from an optically derived 35mm anamorphic element, or will it be mastered from 70mm? Either way, I am just very pleased that a Grandeur film is being released to DVD.

Raoul Walsh made some interesting CinemaScope films, so The Big Trail in Grandeur is ripe for comparison. I don't think much of Battle Cry, but the exteriors in The Tall Men are brilliant - he goes long shot crazy to emphasise the big and wide screen.

Grandeur was shot on a 70mm negative, but unlike Todd-AO/Super & Ultra Panavision, each frame was 4 instead of 5 perforations high. I believe Sovscope 70 - the 70mm format used in the USSR - also used 70mm negatives and prints, but in a 5 perf high aperture.

It was only U.S. 70mm print systems that decided to used 65mm negatives. Which is kind of strange considering that Todd-AO initially just converted the 70mm Mitchell cameras made for Grandeur and Realife in the 1930s.

King Vidor shot Billy the Kid in MGM's competitor 70mm Realife system, then promptly pleaded with the studios to keep using 70mm. He thought it was far superior to the 35mm Academy format, but it failed to become a standard because (as people like John Belton argue) it was too expensive so soon after the conversion to sound.

This article is fascinating. It is by the cinematographer on The Big Trail, who says:
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I can confidently say that the wider film is not only the coming medium for such great pictures, but that it will undoubtedly become the favored one for all types of picture. It marks a definite advance in motion picture technique, and from it will undoubtedly be evolved the truly stereoscopic picture of the future, toward which so many people have long been striving.
Well, here we are ~78 years later, but there is still no concerted push for 3D in cinemas as a standard like widescreen. 3D remains a novelty, rather than a common feature of filmmaking. Rather than 70mm, and other widescreen systems, leading to 3D features. In the 1950s widescreen competed against 3D, and seemingly relegated it to its novelty status.

But who knows what the future holds?
Excellent, informative post Simon. Thank you for posting those links.

I've been comparing my home-recording of the 70mm widescreen broadcast of THE BIG TRAIL to the 35mm full-frame DVD. It is a fine film in both versions. Unless Fox screws up the transfers -- and I can't imagine they would -- film buffs can't go wrong in buying this new special edition. I think most people will find the pictorial values of the 70mm widescreen alternate preferable to the 35mm full-screen, but it's a wonderful film and a rewarding film in either aspect ratio.

It does seem as if the industry has taken two steps backward in evolution. One step backward in terms of aesthetics, with desaturation and murky lighting, and another step backward in terms of technology. Today's audiences are accustomed to poorer quality than yesterday's audiences. Arthur Edeson's hope for widescreen stereoscopic films becoming the standard is more feasible and economical now than ever before, and the only real obstacle to it happening are ignorance and prejudices within the industry. Studio execs and exhibitors should ask themselves, what progress would Walt Disney have made in 1937 if he had listened to warnings that audiences would get headaches from watching a feature-length film in color? To much color or too long an exposure to color will make you go blind. The stereoscopic film faces the same fundamental misunderstanding.




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changes because of the people we admire."

dialog in HUD (1963)

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