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1/27/07 at 9:28pm
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Explain to me what the big hoopla is with mono? I'm ignorant
It's been a while so I'm working off of probably faulty memory...

But Sir George Martin indicated that with the Beatles's early albums (the first four I think) they paid special attention and care to the mono mixes, with the stereo versions being more afterthoughts. So that if a "connoisseur" wanted the best, or "truest" sound for those albums, one should buy the mono version. In fact, I think it was something like the EMI releases of those albums in the UK were in mono, and the US counterparts (each with less songs and sometimes different album titles) were stereo mixes.

However, by the time they got to Sgt. Peppers, they were in full stereo/experimental mode, so I really don't think Sgt. Peppers should be in mono. They were definitely recording that album with stereo in mind.
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1/27/07 at 10:05pm
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I have to admit.. this week someone emailed me the list of "100 Greatest Guitar Solos" as compiled by Guitar World. While I nodded my head in agreement at many, the Beatles only had one (69. And Your Bird Can Sing)

While many on the lists were culled from great sources, I kept thinking how many inventive numbers were, I thought, dismissed too easily because they were Beatles and not a hard rock band.

I kept thinking about these:

While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Let it Be
Get Back

Amongst others..
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1/30/07 at 2:14am
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However, by the time they got to Sgt. Peppers, they were in full stereo/experimental mode, so I really don't think Sgt. Peppers should be in mono. They were definitely recording that album with stereo in mind.

Actually quite the opposite. The Beatles had little to do with the stereo mixes of the latter albums but were involved with the mono mixes.

From Lewishon's Beatles Recording Sessions pg 108, Friday 7 April:
"The only real version of Sgt Pepper's is the mono version." says Richard Lush. "The Beatles were there for all the mono mixes. Then, after the album was finished, George Martin, Geoff [Emerick] and I did the stereo in a few days, just the three of us, without a Beatle in sight. There were all sorts of things on the mono, little effects here and there, which the stereo doesn't have."

Geoff Emerick confirms this view and points out that almost all of the Beatles recording sessions -- including those for Sgt Pepper's -- were monitored in the control room through just the one mono speaker anyway, except for when stereo mixing was being done. "We did have the two speakers but everything was put through the right hand one. We weren't allowed to monitor on both because they were saved for the orchestral recordings!"

Pepper's and White Album are the two albums fans say are different (and some say better) in mono. Both are worth tracking down, IMO. Beyond that tho, it's stereo.

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1/30/07 at 8:43am
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I think we have a new champion:

http://www.recordingthebeatles.com

540 pages, 500+ photos and illustrations, stored in a faux red-"EMITAPE" slip case, with lots of TECHNICAL info, with stories by EMI staf, engineers, producers, etc.

For instance:
http://recordingthebeatles.com/1968p...ionPreview.pdf

The first pressing is out of print, the second is being made available some time in Feb, and it will set you back a pricey $100. Damn well worth it!

I got it for Christmas, although I didn't actually receive the book itself yet (waiting on the second prining) just the extras. Can't wait!

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2/4/07 at 8:34pm
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Supposedly Apple Inc and Apple Corp reached a deal and the albums will be available via iTunes. Rumors abound say there will be a commercial during the Super Bowl announcing it. Which of course was mentioned in another thread on here. If this is the case, I hope iTunes gets some special features to make it worth while to buy tracks, otherwise I'll just wait for the cd's.

The Capitol Albums box sets sound amazing, the mono mixes do anyway. They are the most beautiful things I've ever heard, I don't have a record player anymore and I want one again to listen to my Beatles vinyl after hearing these albums. I can't wait for Sgt. Pepper's in mono, ooo I hope and long for a 5.1 DVD-A mix, like "Love", that would nice.



I'm guessing this didn't happen. I watched closely and didn't see anything. Did anyone see anything about this?
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2/5/07 at 5:56am
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Would have been absolute idiocy to advertise Beatles downloads at Super Bowl commercial prices. How many extra millions of downloads would be necessary to just recoup the advertisement cost? I am not surprised I didn't see an advertisement for Beatles iTunes but I would expect the downloads to be available soon.

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2/5/07 at 6:07am
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The Wall Street Journal is reporting a licensing agreement between Apple and Apple Records. Could be the beginning of Beatles on iTunes.

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2/5/07 at 9:55am
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The Wall Street Journal is reporting a licensing agreement between Apple and Apple Records. Could be the beginning of Beatles on iTunes.
Judging by what is said about the deal, it would allow Apple Inc. (ex Apple Computer) to become a record company, signing bands directly to iTunes. This could have huge repercussions down the line.

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Ted,

This could have tremendously positive implications for the music business since Apple would be more customer centric is it strategy and offerings.

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2/9/07 at 11:40am
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Just posting to get the 10 posts so I can post links (I LOVE this forum, posting links in my questions will make it easier!)
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7/14/07 at 10:58pm
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I first got into The Beatles in 1993 when The Red and The Blue albums were released for the first time on CD. I became obsessed, started reading up on the group, and memorizing statestics for their albums and songs (hanging out in a bar one night, I challenged my friend to name all 20 #1 American hits...natch, he couldn't do it, the wanker).

During this time, I also discovered Manson, and was always intrigued by the "coincidences" with Manson and The Beatles. For example: Maxwell's Silver Hammer is very telling of the Manson Family trial. Rose and Valerie, screaming from the gallery, Maxwell must go free... - during the trial, Manson's girls often interrupted the trial by yelling out. Could be art imitating life ("Maxwell" was written before the Manson murders), or it could be life imitating art (the girls knew the song in 1969, then acted out during the trial to mimick the record). Irregardless, Beatles tracks like Sexy Sadie are eerie because of the Manson angle.

The Beatles...what a bunch of Moes. Oh, what life could have been like if they had not been so good. I believe their manager, Brian Epstein, did miracles for this band, as he managed to promote the hell out of them. In the very beginning, The Beatles were really no different from other british bands of 1961 or 1962. But because of expert managing, the Beatles rose above them all. With their "mop tops," they did adapt The Three Stooges Moe Howard's hair-style. Nobody made fun of them because they were very good. Had they not been, who knows. Speaking of their hair-styles in the early 60's, I'm surprised this wasn't covered on the Beatles Anthology.

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7/16/07 at 12:12pm
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Where can I find a version of Got To Get You Into My Life where you can hear the drums?? The version on Revolver stinks!

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7/16/07 at 1:19pm
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You need the mono version of Revolver to hear things better.

Sorry, I'm new to this thread but has anyone discussed why the important Beatles albums, which were intended to be heard in mono (up until The White Album) are not available in mono?

The Beach Boys, The Kinks, The Bee Gees...hell, even The Monkees (!) are releasing stereo and mono versions of their catalog, but not the Beatles?

I'm not talking about the recent Capitol Albums boxes - I'm talking about Sgt. Peppers, Revolver, Rubber Soul. Albums that were mixed in mono, are significantly different and sound like crap in stereo.

Where are those?
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7/16/07 at 1:21pm
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You need the mono version of Revolver to hear things better.

That's good advice, but how? There seems to be only one version in the stores, and that's the one I have. Apparently, since the sound stinks (muted drums on the song), it is Stereo.

Is the UK version Mono
or the other way around?

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7/17/07 at 7:41am
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There's no non-bootleg CD of Revolver other than the one currently in stores. If you want mono, you have to get vinyl - or an "unofficial" CD...

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7/17/07 at 7:43am
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Here's a question: is there a version of Hey Jude on CD taken from the promotional film in "Anthology?"

I was surprised it didn't show up on the "Anthology CD's."

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7/17/07 at 8:48am
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You mean the one on The David Frost Show? Nope, it's not on CD.
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7/17/07 at 8:51am
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You mean the one on The David Frost Show? Nope, it's not on CD.

Right, the David Frost Show. That was a great rendition.

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7/17/07 at 10:51am
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Re: The Eternal Beatles Discussion Thread

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You need the mono version of Revolver to hear things better.

Sorry, I'm new to this thread but has anyone discussed why the important Beatles albums, which were intended to be heard in mono (up until The White Album) are not available in mono?

Capitol released the US versions of 8 albums in mono and stereo:

http://www.amazon.com/Capitol-Albums.../dp/B00065XJ48

http://www.amazon.com/Capitol-Albums...495621-5956463

I have both sets and love them having been born when Truman was about to end his last term and growing up in the 60's.

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7/17/07 at 11:00am
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I have both sets and love them having been born when Truman was about to end his last term and growing up in the 60's.
Chris

wow, Chris. It must be hard knowing that the majority of punks you talk to on this board (including myself) were born under Nixon.

I am aware of the Capitol Releases - can anyone collaborate with Chris on their remastering? Whether they're great, or whether it is best to wait..

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7/17/07 at 1:41pm
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The Capitol sets have tremendous sound quality, but as someone who didn't grow up with those configurations, I can't really give them as much of a thumbs up as those who did. I'd wait for the British remasters (probably next year) unless you're a completist.
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7/17/07 at 2:22pm
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wow, Chris. It must be hard knowing that the majority of punks you talk to on this board (including myself) were born under Nixon.

I am aware of the Capitol Releases - can anyone collaborate with Chris on their remastering? Whether they're great, or whether it is best to wait..

Well, Truman was a much better president, but unfortunatey I can remember Nixon and can't remember Truman.

Steve Hoffman's forum has a discussion of the Capitol box sets and they are not universally praised, although there are those of us that like them. Tiny little album covers like I owned as a 12 to 15 year old may be part of the attraction. I can see how the original British versions are to be preferred for those that grew up with them.

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7/19/07 at 7:16am
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I laugh every time I watch the video for Hey Bulldog (courtesy of YouTube, since nobody in charge of Beatle stuff had the decency to release it to DVD) - Lennon and McCartney are carrying on towards the end of the song, having a goofy time, then the camera pans to George Harrison, who is giving them such a look. The look says volumes about what he might be feeling: what a bunch of assholes, comes to mind. Priceless.

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7/19/07 at 7:30am
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It is my opinion that, aside from all four Beatles being great, George Martin had a lot to do with making them what they were on record.

I listen to any of the four on their solo albums, and something's definitely missing from the "sound." A crisp-ness is missing, something special that resided in the production that Martin provided.

For instance, I listen to Glass Onion, which is primarily a John Lennon record with little input from McCartney. The sound is "crisp" (I can't find a way to describe it another way). Then I listen to Lennon's solo work, and the sound is kind of "dulled." Producer Phil Spector can be blamed for most of it, in regards to Lennon (his 1980 album, Double Fantasy, was the best produced of all his solo work, IMO - maybe Mr. Douglas had something to do with it, since he helped co-produce it), but what about McCartney and Harrison?

McCartney's albums may sound better, but the songs are so wishy-washy - there's nothing that closely resembles Helter Skelter or even Got To Get You Into My Life, two songs that had balls!. I think McCartney got kicked in the balls after the Beatles disbanding.

Harrison's records are nice and "dulled" - again, while While My Guitar Gently Weeps is "crisp," nothing on his solo records comes close to sounding alive. Even Harrison himself lamented his own sound on the record (Give Me Love) Give Me Peace On Earth - he had recently listened to a record by Stevie Wonder, and loved the sound, and wished he could get that kind of sound, but could not.

I have no complaints about Ringo Starr records.

I wonder why none of the Beatles, aside from Ringo on the album Sentimental Journey, incorporated the talents of George Martin during their solo years.

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7/20/07 at 6:38am
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I listen to any of the four on their solo albums, and something's definitely missing from the "sound." A crisp-ness is missing, something special that resided in the production that Martin provided.
You know - Martin produced a lot of solo stuff for McCartney and Starkey, and Geoff Emerick worked with McCartney a lot as well. "Ram", "Tug Of War", "Band On The Run" and "Venus And Mars" sound as good as any Beatles records to my ears.
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McCartney's albums may sound better, but the songs are so wishy-washy - there's nothing that closely resembles Helter Skelter or even Got To Get You Into My Life, two songs that had balls!.
Nothing? I don't think you're very familiar with Paul's Post-Beatles work. Try starting with "Soily" and "Hi Hi Hi".
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I wonder why none of the Beatles, aside from Ringo on the album Sentimental Journey, incorporated the talents of George Martin during their solo years.
Again, Paul used Martin often. Where do you think the amazing orchestration of "Live and Let Die" came from? I believe the very cool orchestral transition swell in the song "Band On The Run" was Martin as well.

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7/24/07 at 7:11am
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is there a studio version of I'll Get You without screaming girls in the background?

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7/24/07 at 9:09am
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is there a studio version of I'll Get You without screaming girls in the background?
Flip side to "She Loves You", I have a bootleg copy of the original Swan 45. Probably on "Past Masters Volume 1".

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7/24/07 at 9:34am
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Probably on "Past Masters Volume 1".

thanks! And I have "Past Masters I," too, but its been so long since I've listened to it.

***
One thing I'm curious about - John Lennon's hair. Did he dye it brown/black in order to match Paul, George, and Ringo's natural hair color? Reason I ask is, during and ever after Sgt. Pepper era, Lennon's hair (and eyebrows, and facial hair) became much, much lighter. Almost dirty-blonde.

The other alternatives could be:
a) he wore a wig during the early stages of Beatlemania
or
b) he dyed his hair during and ever after Sgt. Peppers

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7/24/07 at 11:24am
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He had to dye it for a part in the 1966 movie How I Won the War. I'm not sure how long he kept it up though.
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7/24/07 at 11:26am
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He had to dye it for a part in the 1966 movie How I Won the War. I'm not sure how long he kept it up though.

from what I read, he had to cut his hair to be a convincing soldier in the English army.

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