120GB "Slim" PS3 officially announced

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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=221475

http://www.pcworld.com/article/170393/gdc_sony_reveals_ps3_slim_slashes_ps3_price_to_300.html

This new slim PS3 retains the features of its larger older brother, while being 36 percent lighter, 32 percent smaller, and $100 less than the current 80GB price!

The Official Specs, courtesy http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/18/sony-debuts-slimmer-ps3/


  • Product name: PlayStation 3
  • Product code: CECH-2000A (Charcoal Black)
  • CPU: Cell Broadband Engine™
  • GPU: RSX
  • Audio output: LPCM 7.1ch, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD, AAC.
  • Memory: 256MB XDR Main RAM, 256MB GDDR3 VRAM
  • Hard disk: 120GB 2.5" Serial ATA
  • USB 2.0 ports: 2
  • Networking: Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T), IEEE 802.11 b/g, Bluetooth 2.0 (+EDR)
  • Controller: Wireless Controller (Bluetooth) x 1
  • AV outputs: HDMI x 1, AV MULTI OUT x 1, Digital out (optical) x 1
  • Resolutions: 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i (for PAL 576p, 576i)
  • BD / DVD / CD drive (read only): BD × 2 (BD-ROM), DVD × 8 (DVD-ROM), CD × 24 (CD-ROM)
  • Power: AC 220 – 240, 50/60Hz
  • Power consumption: Approx. 250W
  • External dimensions (excluding maximum projecting part): Approx. 290 × 65 × 290 mm (width × height × length)
  • Mass: Approx. 3.2kg
  • Included in box: PlayStation 3 system × 1, Wireless Controller (DUALSHOCK 3) × 1, AC power cord × 1, AV cable × 1, USB cable × 1






Edited by Nicholas Martin - 8/18/2009 at 09:54 pm GMT
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Allegedly no backwards compatibility reinstatement
Allegedly no way to remove and replace the hard disk

Hmmm
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What I am most interested to discover is how much quieter it is, if any, than its predecessor.

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Allegedly no backwards compatibility reinstatement
Allegedly no way to remove and replace the hard disk

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I don't know about the ps2 backward compatibility, but the various larger images in the first link I posted don't reveal any obvious place for a hard drive, except for maybe the bottom of the console, or possibly the front underneath the slot drive where the various logos (DTS HD, Dolby, DVD, etc) are located. Those images also reveal fewer ventilation holes (in the back only), so it's probably true - like the current PS3 there aren't even any obvious screws holding it together in those images either.

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What I am most interested to discover is how much quieter it is, if any, than its predecessor.
Doesn't the loudness of the console depend on how it's used, the specific model, and where it's placed? 

Mine only ever made noise when the internal fan turned on when I had it in a smaller space than I do now, or on a very hot day like what the weather's been lately.

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Ps2 is OUT Linux is OUT hard disk replace is IN bundled game = no pain voucher = no wifi = in shame about back compat but overall a win over the 80

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Grrrrrr

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Edited first post with the official specs listing.
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So this is intriguing to me. At $299 it's closer to a reasonable price as a Blu Ray player per se.

I don't care about PS2 compatibility, wifi, or upgradable hard drive. I have no interest in PS3 games for that matter; I've got a 360. But this plus the Logitech Harmony adapter and maybe it's a good Blu Ray player and priced similarly to other upper-mid players.
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Ps2 is OUT Linux is OUT hard disk replace is IN bundled game = no pain voucher = no wifi = in shame about back compat but overall a win over the 80

Looking at the official specs, looks like wi-fi is still there.

Networking: Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T), IEEE 802.11 b/g, Bluetooth 2.0 (+EDR)

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hmm very interesting indeed

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Ps2 is OUT
Linux is OUT
hard disk replace is IN
bundled game = no
pain voucher = no
wifi = in

shame about back compat but overall a win over the 80

Yeah, I shouldnt even freaking bother to post on the iPhone, I know.  All its gonna do is get me ticked off again.

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Doesn't the loudness of the console depend on how it's used, the specific model, and where it's placed? 

Mine only ever made noise when the internal fan turned on when I had it in a smaller space than I do now, or on a very hot day like what the weather's been lately.
 

Most likely, yes, but it is the bolded part I'm interested in all other things considered equal.  I doubt they'll ever be a PS3 as quiet as I'd like (i.e. as quiet as a standalone), but hope springs eternal.
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Yeah, I shouldnt even freaking bother to post on the iPhone, I know.  All its gonna do is get me ticked off again.
 

Yeah, I needed a slide rule to figure out Post #6.  

Also, what is this 'pain voucher' you speak of?

Universal Blu-ray Discs I will not be buying while they're offered only as Blu-ray + DVD 'flipper' discs:

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Most likely, yes, but it is the bolded part I'm interested in all other things considered equal.  I doubt they'll ever be a PS3 as quiet as I'd like (i.e. as quiet as a standalone), but hope springs eternal.
 
Mine is the 40GB, which went off the market just as the 80GB consoles were dropping in price and being replaced with supposedly different consoles last year (different in the sense that they apparently just replaced the 40GB drive with an 80).

 

I've had it for just about one year now, sometime this month...might have already passed, I'd have to look at the receipt to know for sure. I wish I had an older model that had more features to it (SACD playback for one) but ya do what you can with what you've got.

I've heard some of the older configurations like the 60GB had loudness issues and excessive heat and so on, and yet it was (I think) considered to be the best model but I'm just vaguely remembering what I may or may not have read about the console's history.


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Most likely, yes, but it is the bolded part I'm interested in all other things considered equal.  I doubt they'll ever be a PS3 as quiet as I'd like (i.e. as quiet as a standalone), but hope springs eternal.
Skimming the links, I saw it noted that the Slim has significantly lower heat output than the original. So hopefully the Slim is cooler and consequently quieter.
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I've heard some of the older configurations like the 60GB had loudness issues and excessive heat and so on, and yet it was (I think) considered to be the best model but I'm just vaguely remembering what I may or may not have read about the console's history.


The 60GB is the model I currently have in our family room.  It is in a small space, which probably doesn't help, but when I had it in my media room's rack, which was a bit more open, it was still too loud for my tastes.  I don't mind it for its current application because it was the last of the completely backwards compatible models if I recall correctly.

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Skimming the links, I saw it noted that the Slim has significantly lower heat output than the original. So hopefully the Slim is cooler and consequently quieter.

Yes, I noticed that too.  I'm mainly just keeping tabs on it for now.  I'm very happy with my Panasonic DMP-BD55.  But should the need ever arise to upgrade my player and, let's face it, it always does, I'm curious if PS3 Slim could make an effective standalone replacement.

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All the other features, most specifically video file playback and storing / viewing digital camera photos are the reason I'll stick with a PS3. I don't play games except for the odd demo download which I can't figure out very well, and while I can't get access to all the things Americans can (the Canadian Playstation store is extremely limited) that's fine. I've found easy enough methods of file conversion so I can watch most videos on it instead of the computer. I bought it exclusively for Blu-ray but even that's almost secondary now.
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Yeah, I needed a slide rule to figure out Post #6.  

Also, what is this 'pain voucher' you speak of?

It's not my fault, I swear.  =p

Pain is a low cost Ragdoll Physics genre game (see: Stair Dismount etc on google to see what i am talking about) that has become a kind of 'platform' on the PSN network.  You download the base game for $5 or so (unless you buy the high end PS3 which comes with a voucher / code on a slip of paper which you can type in to get the game via free download) and then you can just play this base game OR you can add on optional extra characters, playgrounds, and extras.  The rough idea is you shoot a guy out of a canon and try to get him to hit specific landmarks which make him hurt in extremely bad ways, blow him up, land on sharp objects, flip into comical poses, etc.

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hard drive is replaceable

and supposedly all models on the floor now are suppose to be marked down to 300 also

ars talks to sony
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/08/sony-answers-our-questions-about-the-new-playstation-3.ars

part of the article:

Can you still upgrade the hard drive?

"Yes, you can. It does not void your warranty. In fact, we encourage it," Koller told us. He explained that the drive is now located on the front of the system, not the side, and changing out your hard drive will still be easy. "It's a two-screw process," he explained.

Don't worry about being stuck with "just" an 80GB hard drive. The ability to install your own hard drive is still there, and Koller seemed enthusiastic about people modifying their systems in this way.

Will there be a power brick?

"This is a new power cable; it uses a third less power." Koller answered. He then listed the three big changes made to the hardware: the power consumption has been decreased, the cooling system has been redesigned, and the Cell processor has moved from a 65nm process to a 45nm process.

He also told us that there will be a power brick, although we can expect it to be small. He laughs when I ask about the power brick's size in relation to the 360's power supply. "It's nothing like that," he assured Ars. There will also no longer be a power button on the back of the hardware; it has instead been moved to the front. [Update: after watching a few unboxing videos, it actually doesn't look like they'll be a power brick. There must have been some confusion on this question.]

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My question is then: does the PS3 behave like a dedicated DVD / Blu Ray player?

If I have a PS3 Slim and the Logitech Harmony adapter (to work with my Harmony One remote), will it be just like a disc player to my wife? Or will her experience be like that of loading a game in the Xbox 360 to play a movie?

Using a game player to watch movies is a no go; I could replace my DVD player with the 360, but the it's too clunky. (My 10 year old DVD player is easier and better.) But if it's using a disc player that happens to also play games, that might be a winner.
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Pain is a low cost Ragdoll Physics genre game (see: Stair Dismount etc on google to see what i am talking about) that has become a kind of 'platform' on the PSN network.  You download the base game for $5 or so (unless you buy the high end PS3 which comes with a voucher / code on a slip of paper which you can type in to get the game via free download) and then you can just play this base game OR you can add on optional extra characters, playgrounds, and extras.  The rough idea is you shoot a guy out of a canon and try to get him to hit specific landmarks which make him hurt in extremely bad ways, blow him up, land on sharp objects, flip into comical poses, etc.

Ah.  Thanks for the explanation!

Universal Blu-ray Discs I will not be buying while they're offered only as Blu-ray + DVD 'flipper' discs:

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My question is then: does the PS3 behave like a dedicated DVD / Blu Ray player?

If I have a PS3 Slim and the Logitech Harmony adapter (to work with my Harmony One remote), will it be just like a disc player to my wife? Or will her experience be like that of loading a game in the Xbox 360 to play a movie?
I have no idea how a 360 behaves since I've never used one and only saw demos encased in plastic, but the PS3 behaves like this:

When you turn it on, you hear the sound of an orchestra "rising", just like what you would hear at a classical music concert.

The default screen is "Game", unless you already have a DVD / Blu-ray disc inside the console. If you do, "Video" is the default screen, with the disc already selected so you just have to press enter.

If it's on "Game", scroll once to the left to get to "Video", and insert the disc. You then scroll up or down (it depends) to select it, and then hit enter. It starts like pressing Play on a regular player.

This is what it looks like:



As you can see, the little icons that run across identify each section - a camera for "Photo", a musical note for "Music", a filmstrip for "Video", a game controller for "Game", and the name of each is underneath the icon when it's selected.

This XMB (XrossMediaBar) is supposed to be on a lot of Sony products including TVs and Blu-ray players as well.

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FW 3.0 is gonna update the xmb. www.youtube.com/watch
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My question is then: does the PS3 behave like a dedicated DVD / Blu Ray player?

If I have a PS3 Slim and the Logitech Harmony adapter (to work with my Harmony One remote), will it be just like a disc player to my wife? Or will her experience be like that of loading a game in the Xbox 360 to play a movie?

Using a game player to watch movies is a no go; I could replace my DVD player with the 360, but the it's too clunky. (My 10 year old DVD player is easier and better.) But if it's using a disc player that happens to also play games, that might be a winner.

In addition to Nicholas's post above, you can have the PS3 set to auto play when a disc has been inserted.  This saves you a step and makes it more like a stand alone player.


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Thanks for the notes. I'll be looking into this more
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Man, I never new you could turn autoplay off. That's always annoyed me (because there's so many things you could be turning it on for).

I'm surprised the idea of adding IR support or HD Audio bit-streaming hasn't been brought up.  Both would have been insanely easy to add.

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Would be nice if they also released an improved remote control (that both versions can use). I hate the one that they made, so I use a third-party one, but it is not perfect either.

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here is more info on the updated cell chip

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20090820/tc_pcworld/sonysps3slimcarriesupdatedcellchip


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The PlayStation 3 Slim gaming console from Sony Computer Entertainment is not only smaller and cheaper, but adds hardware enhancements that make it speedier, including a new Cell microprocessor.


The gaming console, introduced on Tuesday, is a slimmer and lighter version of older PS3 consoles. It carries a 120GB hard drive, which is an upgrade from the 80GB of storage offered in the earlier PS3. The console will sell for US$299 and become available on September 1.


Sony
has made some enhancements under the hood to boost its processing speed and power efficiency. The gaming console will carry an upgraded version of the Cell microprocessor, which is being jointly developed by IBM, Sony and Toshiba.


The new chip has been manufactured using an advanced 45-nanometer manufacturing process, an IBM spokesman said. Based
on IBM's Power architecture, the chip delivers many performance improvements while drawing less power than earlier chips, IBM has said. The earlier console carried a Cell processor manufactured using the 65-nm process. IBM declined to provide the clock speed of the new Cell processor.


Chip production enhancements for the Cell could deliver some cost benefits to users, said Jon Peddie, president of Jon Peddie Research. The chips will become more power efficient and users may see some energy savings, Peddie said.


Smaller chips also cost less to produce, which may have contributed to the lower console price, Peddie said. That could also set the stage for further price drops in the future.


On launch, a Sony executive said the advanced manufacturing process was a factor in driving the console's price down.


"We're extremely pleased that we've been able to meet production efficiencies that have allowed us pass those savings on to customers," said President and CEO Jack Tretton, CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment of America, in a video on the official PlayStation Web site.


The console carries a graphics processing unit made by Nvidia, though details about the chip were not immediately available.

Nvidia officials declined comment, and Sony officials did not return calls seeking comment.


Earlier consoles carried the RSX GPU developed jointly by Nvidia and Sony. Peddie said that the graphics core in the PS3 Slim has to be identical or similar to the RSX GPUs, otherwise existing games for the PS3 won't run on the new console.

 


 


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Would be nice if they also released an improved remote control (that both versions can use). I hate the one that they made, so I use a third-party one, but it is not perfect either.
Would be nice if they acted sanely and made it an IR remote instead of bluetooth.

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Would be nice if they acted sanely and made it an IR remote instead of bluetooth.
 

Crazy talk!  =)  You guys can pine for IR all you want but non-LOS connectivity like bluetooth is the true future for remotes.  WiFi is even better but BT does the job.


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Would be nice if they also released an improved remote control (that both versions can use). I hate the one that they made, so I use a third-party one, but it is not perfect either.

PURE crazy talk!

Seriously tho, of the dozen plus remotes in my house the PS3 remote is my favorite.  It is fantastic.

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