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Denon 1709 and Panasonic BD-35

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7/22/09 at 6:31pm
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All,
 
I am trying to get True HD and DTS-HD audio with this setup, however, I am having difficulties.
For whatever reason I can get the receiver to only show DTS on the front panel when, of course, a BR DTS is in. When playing a blue ray that has True HD, it reverts to Dolby Digital.

What is the issue? 

Setup:
Panasonic BD-35 ----output ---> HDMI & Optical Audio (nothing else worked) ----> Denon 1709 Receiver  ----> out to Klipish speakers.


Any ideas??




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7/22/09 at 6:57pm
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Looking over the Denon specs on their website, though I could be mistaken, I don't believe the 1709 supports audio over HDMI. And the optical connections will only support the older sound formats.

Since the BD-35 does not have an onboard decoder and analog output, I don't believe you can get the HD audio formats to work on your setup.
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7/28/09 at 5:35am
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So, even if I bought a Sony BDP-S550 there is still no way to get TrueHD? 

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7/28/09 at 6:56am
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With the Sony BDP-S550 you can connect the 7.1 analog output to the 7.1 analog input on your Denon.  You will get the new HD formats but you may loose certain things like bass management and Audyssey in the Denon (the S550 will handle the bass managent).

Is it too late to replace the Denon with a higher model (or get a cheaper Onkyo)?
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So, even if I bought a Sony BDP-S550 there is still no way to get TrueHD? 

 

Since the Denon has 7.1 analog input, if you bought a 550, you could use the analog outs to get TrueHD and DTS-HD/MA decoded by the player. 
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7/28/09 at 9:48am
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With the Sony BDP-S550 you can connect the 7.1 analog output to the 7.1 analog input on your Denon.  You will get the new HD formats but you may loose certain things like bass management and Audyssey in the Denon (the S550 will handle the bass managent).

Is it too late to replace the Denon with a higher model (or get a cheaper Onkyo)?

Yes, I am afraid it is. When purchased it was understood to us this purchase would last us (my wife and I) for some time. This item was purchased a few months back.

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7/28/09 at 9:50am
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With the Sony BDP-S550 you can connect the 7.1 analog output to the 7.1 analog input on your Denon.  You will get the new HD formats but you may loose certain things like bass management and Audyssey in the Denon (the S550 will handle the bass managent).
 

What would be entailed in changing to an analog 7.1 from my current setup?

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7/28/09 at 11:30am
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What would be entailed in changing to an analog 7.1 from my current setup?
 

8 RCA cables from BD to receiver, then you have to manually balance the channels using a calibration disk (i.e. Avia BD) and a SPL meter, such as the Radio Shack model.  Crossovers and distance should be set on the 550 also.

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7/31/09 at 10:54pm
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8 RCA cables from BD to receiver, then you have to manually balance the channels using a calibration disk (i.e. Avia BD) and a SPL meter, such as the Radio Shack model.  Crossovers and distance should be set on the 550 also.
 

Is the upgrade worth the additional time and additional cost? 

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8/1/09 at 10:33am
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Is the upgrade worth the additional time and additional cost? 
 

There is a difference, not a Pro-Logic to DD 5.1 difference, but it is there.  Whether it is worth it to you depends on how much you like you audio to be the best it can be.
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While we're on the subject, with apologies to the OP, I have a ten year old Yamaha RXV-2092 that does Dolby Digital only, no DTS. I am pleased with the SQ but have wondered if upgrading to a newer receiver would gain much, if any noticable difference. HDMI would be cool but is it worth blowing a grand or so over?

Edit: with regards to BD sound, sorry.

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While we're on the subject, with apologies to the OP, I have a ten year old Yamaha RXV-2092 that does Dolby Digital only, no DTS. I am pleased with the SQ but have wondered if upgrading to a newer receiver would gain much, if any noticable difference. HDMI would be cool but is it worth blowing a grand or so over?

Edit: with regards to BD sound, sorry.


Yes.  The fact that you can't do DTS could be a problem with BD.  Plus, even the older formats present on BD will be higher bit rate than their DVD counterparts.  Your old Yamaha may have problems.

Plus, alot has changed in 10 years.  Newer receivers have many new features that will make the upgrade worth it (HDMI, better EQ, etc).

No need to spend a grand.  A very capable modern AVR can be had for $400-700.

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8/1/09 at 11:46am
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Thanks, yes the Yammy has served me well and I have been hesitant to upgrade. This was a $1,600 receiver back in the day and I didn't know if a lesser priced receiver's amp section would equal it. I sort of have my heart set on a Denon 2310 or a comparable Yammy but only if I could hear some sort of difference. I have played  a DVD and the BD of the same movie and swore I heard a difference but probably not.

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8/1/09 at 12:02pm
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You probably did hear a difference.  Like I said, even the standard DD and DTS on BD are higher bit rates.  I have a few movies on DVD and BD.  I can absolutely hear a difference with the BD.  Master and Commander is my alltime favorite demo.  It is simply better sounding (fuller, more detailed) on BD. 

Of course if your Yammy has 5.1 anolog in, you could get a BD player that decodes the new formats. 
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8/1/09 at 12:08pm
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Of course if your Yammy has 5.1 anolog in, you could get a BD player that decodes the new formats. 

Yep, that thought had crossed my mind but the Sony S350 was a Christmas present from my wife. I would hate to disappoint her, I told her it was "perfect". I could slip a newer Sony in its place but would hate to take the risk, knowing my luck the G.U.I.or remote would be just different enough for her to notice.

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