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10/10/09 at 9:42pm
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When you're desperate, bring out the lesbians!



Claire and her roommate activate new "powers" in hopes of activating new viewers.. sadly, this smacks more of desperation then anything else.  It appears everyone here was right, it was bound to happen.

Yep, have to love Clancy.  We re-watched Carnivale today in a marathon on the Bluerays.  Great, great stuff.  Brother Justin is one of the most terrifying characters ever because it's easy to see how he warps people.

But watching it, I realized that Heroes has went the wrong way, and dropped the obvious ball.  They brought it up ONE time, and it never happened again, where someone with powers tried to set themselves up as a messenger from God, and used their powers to influence people.  


That storyline could be compelling and complicated.. do they really believe they have been blessed? Do they view it as a scam that gets them over?  Or are they truly corrupt & evil and using people as pawns..

Heroes has been so surface level since Season 1, that it has never really touched on the consequences of what these people think about themselves and their powers beyond really simplictic, almost mentally challenged viewpoints.  I'm sorry, but Hiro comes across more and more as though he took a hard hit to the head as a kid or something.  I keep imagining a Kids in the Hall sketch where someone gets kicked by a horse..


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10/12/09 at 9:52pm
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I thought I was watching a super-powers version of "Veronica Mars" with the Vanessa reveal.  I was wondering how Vanessa kept the note invisible (how do her powers work with inanimate objects, as she was shown to keep some of them invisible or visible, I guess she can inflict invisibility at will). 

Was sort of bored with the Sylar subplot.

We finally find out Filing girl can harness music into force (almost like Cyclop can emit concussive force blasts with his eyebeams).  I was hoping her and Peter were going to play "chopsticks" at the piano.  Nice nod to "The Greatest America Hero" meets "Glee" moment there.

I don't miss Parkman or Hiro or Ando, too bad Hiro had to break the good times at the end.  But Hiro did get Olivia Munn's number.

The look on Claire's face after the kiss was priceless.

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10/12/09 at 10:54pm
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She can make her clothes invisible.  An episode of VM would have been better than this.
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10/13/09 at 3:06am
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Wait, are you saying she does, or you're hoping? I kept trying to figure out where I'd seen her before. It didn't come to me.

I was tentatively OK with the Sylar thread. I'd  give the Claire thread a 5 at most. The Peter thread was OK, but I think he'd rather have super speed. His mom's preoccupation with Nathan probably made him feel like Nathan's more important to her, but while there may be some truth in that, this was all about her worrying about Sylar emerging. The visual effect of the music was nice ,but I felt like I was watching it too much.

The Carny is increasingly shown to have some people who do some pretty evil things. Pushing a girl out a window just to manipulate Claire?

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10/13/09 at 5:56am
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The Sylar story wasn't riveting but other than that, I liked this episode. I think having so few characters in the episode helped it because they could focus on a few stories rather than trying to juggle 6 stories in 40 minutes. I do like the idea of Sylar getting involved with the carnival characters.

I'll be the first to say that the way that NBC marketed the Claire kiss was an incredibly desperate attempt at getting ratings. Maybe I'm just jaded but two girls kissing isn't even remotely enough to get me to tune into a TV show. All that being said, I do think that in the context of the episode, the scene did work.

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10/13/09 at 10:44am
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Wait, are you saying she does, or you're hoping? I kept trying to figure out where I'd seen her before. It didn't come to me.
 


No, she makes her clothes invisible or Claire would have seen an empty dress standing there.  That's common for invisibility on shows, but if she can do it for clothes, she can do it for a note*.

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I'll be the first to say that the way that NBC marketed the Claire kiss was an incredibly desperate attempt at getting ratings. Maybe I'm just jaded but two girls kissing isn't even remotely enough to get me to tune into a TV show.


I don't watch the ads, I knew it was going to be her and Gretchen, and I was still hoping I was somehow wrong and it was going to be her and that former cheerleader who almost got skewered.  I know some of you find Gretchen attractive, but she makes my skin crawl.

* - Not really.  It's up to the writers how it's handled, and clothing could be an exception just because it's easier.  Though, since we know the note was hidden, it looks like she can extend it to other inanimate objects.

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10/13/09 at 11:46am
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I can't be the only one who thought of Seinfeld with the kids singing, can I? 
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10/13/09 at 1:05pm
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"Believe it or not, George isn't at home. Please leave a message at the beep..."
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10/13/09 at 1:13pm
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I thought of something recently in the news, but I won't say what due to forum rules.  Mmm, mmm, mmm.  I'm walking on air.
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10/14/09 at 10:24am
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Major spoiler....



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 From Kristen over at E Online:

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Holy Shocker! A Major Death Is Coming to Heroes
Today 10:25 AM PDT by Kristin Dos Santos

Ouch.

This one is going to leave a mark.

Sources over on NBC's Heroes confirm to me that a major death is in the works, and this is not one that will go unnoticed by even the most casual fan.

It is huge.

So who is it?

Well, you know how these things go...We can't come right out and name any names. (Unless someone can hook me up right quick with the Witness Protection Program?)

However, I will tell you that this leading character is a male, and he is not necessarily pictured above. (He might be, he might not be.) And he is one of the original cast.

And you thought Hayden's same-sex kiss was surprising, eh?

Clearly the producers are pulling out all the stops this season in an effort to ramp up storylines and pull out a big watercooler-worthy surprise.

But I have to say that I, for one, will miss this guy. Big-time.

Now here's the fun and torturous part for you: Start guessing below...
And from Ausiello at EW.com:

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Blind item: Fired actor's pink slip hidden in script!
by Michael Ausiello
Categories: Blind Item, News

I get that there's no easy way to lay someone off, but, come on, this is ridiculous: A male series regular on a one-hour drama - a onetime ratings powerhouse - learned that he was out of a job only after reading his character's death scene in the script!

According to my mole, the popular and well-respected leading man - who tapes his final scenes this week - was blindsided not just by his ouster, but by the tacky way in which it was handled. "He was hurt that the producers didn't tell him first," says the source. "He deserved better."

The real surprise is that, well, anyone was surprised at all. The actors on said show have long been frustrated by the lack of communication coming from the front office. Still, as the insider points out, "This was low even for them."

So, who'll be looking for work starting next week? And what show does he currently star on? Here's the first of two hints: It's not - I repeat not - Grey's Anatomy. Look for that second hint in this week's Ask Ausiello.
And from Greg Grunbergs Twitter account:

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greggrunberg Yes, one of the main character is getting killed off for realzies!! Sad but true. Really sad. Stay tuned.
34 minutes ago from web


Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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10/14/09 at 12:57pm
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The song the kids were singing didn't register till the scene ended and I was like oh crap....."George isn't at home, so leave a message".

Question, does Peter know that Sylar is Nathan?  I thought he did but now I'm not sure.

I have seen Larry David in action, and that man is an animal, and he has to be stopped.
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10/19/09 at 12:44am
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Re: Todd's major spoiler: I haven't been watching the new season (waiting for the DVDs) but unless the writers have magically managed to split Sylar and Nathan the politician ("flying man") into two people, Nathan is most likely dunzo. I mean they can't fire Spock, can they? He's too popular an actor. But Nathan's been on borrowed time since he died in the previous season.

It could be Mohindar, except they're saying it is a major character, and Mohindar hasn't been a major character since season one.

"Scientists are saying the future is going to be far more futuristic than they originally predicted." -Krysta Now

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10/19/09 at 12:42pm
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I can't be the only one who thought of Seinfeld with the kids singing, can I? 
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"Believe it or not, George isn't at home. Please leave a message at the beep..."

I immediately started singing that! :D

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10/19/09 at 1:39pm
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Will, I don't personally care, but why are you speculating out of spoilers?  The way Todd did it, there's no way to even know the topic of the spoiler.

We used to enjoy this commercial in college.  I didn't know until a couple of days ago that it was Larter.


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10/19/09 at 9:14pm
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I think I'm getting old. That commercial looks almost pornographic.

Studios, caption your internet streams.

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10/19/09 at 10:18pm
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I'm getting old, too, but that's from about 15 years ago.  It was frequently on MTV back in the days of Beavis & Butt-Head and actual music videos.
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10/26/09 at 6:47pm
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Claire's story sucks.  Ali looked fantastic.  Knepper elevates things.
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Knepper elevates things.
 


Yeah, he does. I'm still way more interested in seeing what he does than the characters that I like (such as HRG or Hiro).

I live in the northeast of the country but even this Yankee had to laugh out loud at the ridiculously over the top Southern redneck cop stereotypes. A deputy participates in dragging a 17 year old boy to his death (was the town lynchin' tree already being used to string up civil rights workers?) and even the media doesn't care? On a show where I have no problem accepting people flying around or have invulnerability, that's absurd. The only thing that would have made it even funnier is some big buck teeth for all the cops.
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10/26/09 at 9:09pm
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What a craptastic episode.  Yeesh!


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10/26/09 at 10:43pm
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Can't please everybody.
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10/27/09 at 6:41am
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The last three episodes have actually done a damn good job of involving me in the story and keeping me interested.

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I live in the northeast of the country but even this Yankee had to laugh out loud at the ridiculously over the top Southern redneck cop stereotypes. A deputy participates in dragging a 17 year old boy to his death (was the town lynchin' tree already being used to string up civil rights workers?) and even the media doesn't care?


It had just happened. Likely the other cops didn't even know the deputy was involved. Before any further action could be taken, the carnival ringleader brought the station to the ground, killing everybody inside. If the boy's dragging death does get reported on, it'll likely be tied into the larger apparent act of terrorism.

You also have to accept that the world "Heroes" plays in has always been somewhat more over-the-top than the real world, and increasingly so in the last two seasons.

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10/27/09 at 7:14am
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i realized the other day this season is the most like season 1 we've had. Its meandering and taking its time building up to a climax, each little piece being laid out instead of rushing bam bam bam every plot point like season  2 and 3 did. now whether or not the pay off will be worth it remains to be seen.
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I'll give you that the time between the kid's murder and the destruction of the police station is brief but since he dissapeared from the police station and was murdered, the police had to know that one of their own was involved (and I guess they were waiting to wash the murder blood away until the media did arrive). Even letting that slide, the dumb southern cop stereotype was so ridiculous that I'm surprised that they didn't say "We don't take kindly t' folks wit' powers 'round these parts!" or [South Park]"Those people wit' powers are gunna take our jobs!"[/South Park]

For what it's worth, I actually didn't mind the rest of the episode.
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10/27/09 at 10:54am
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I'm liking this season more than the last two.  IMHO, I think the show would be in much better shape now if we'd gotten something like this as Season 2 instead of what we did get. 

And as a Southerner, I have to say that the lynching was too over the top even for this show.  That stereotype is decades out of date.  Someone was just taking a cheap shot.  
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10/27/09 at 2:28pm
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And as a Southerner, I have to say that the lynching was too over the top even for this show.  That stereotype is decades out of date.  Someone was just taking a cheap shot.  

I wouldn't say decades. I would agree that the show often doesn't take the most nuanced view of things; "Smallville" went through a similar dumbing down over the years.
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10/28/09 at 8:12am
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The writers were definitely referencing the James Byrd murder.  What's decades out of date is police involvement in such reprehensible acts. 

Which is not to say that the police do not sometimes abuse their authority, but such blatant acts are almost unheard of since the end of the '60s.
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10/28/09 at 11:57am
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Yeah, but at the same time they did all watch the kid kill someone just by touching him.  I'm not sure that anybody would react rationally in a situation like that.
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10/28/09 at 12:42pm
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I don't know if I'd react rationally, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't tie him up (knowing he could kill me by touching me) and drag him behind my vehicle. Because I'm not an animal. And doing something like that ultimately says far more about the person who did it than the person who was violated. Not to mention he's a sworn officer of the law. You know, a peacekeeper. I was so turned off by what I saw that I half hoped with his dying breath, the boy touched the officer and took him with him. Sure T-Bag basically did the same thing, but he took a lot of "innocent" people with him.

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10/29/09 at 12:26pm
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Early, and unsubstantiated, rumblings this may be Heroes -  http://airlockalpha.com/node/6824 - last season.

Every man is my superior, in that I may learn from him.

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10/29/09 at 2:21pm
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Doesn't bother me.  I watch it almost out of habit now.  I wish NBC had given the fall slot to Chuck instead.  The current season has shown me that I wouldn't mind Knepper finding a new series that I want to watch.  He's been a regular in my home since 2005 now.  Hard to believe.
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