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9/23/09 at 4:29pm

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They haven't realized it's not the character. She can't act her way out of a paperbag. It's like watching someone read a book aloud.

I've been saying that since the beginning. It's a combination. She's terrible and the characters are terrible. It's why I can't get behind the "season one was mindblowing television" argument. It turned good at Company Men, but the mystery of her ability was just death. And, the endless exposition. We'd see something on screen, cut to another scene, and cut back to her explaining what we just saw on the screen.

Her main thing is, "I'm supposed to be pissed or I'm supposed to be badass. Time for a smirk!"

She wasn't all that bad in Resident Evil 3, though.

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9/26/09 at 5:43am

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Watched our Tivo'd first episode last night and I was pleasantly surprised. I liked the paced, somewhat brooding start. While I had utter disdain for resurrecting Sylar yet again last season, what they're doing and how they're doing it creates interesting tension.

It also felt like an opener that is for the fans. It seemed inaccessible to new viewers.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Edited by DaveF - 9/26/09 at 6:46am

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9/28/09 at 7:52am

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the opener was surprisingly good. Peter is stlil my favorite character and his scenes were pretty good. I agree with the ali larter hate, i just can't stand her, but this incarnation of her is better than the previous seasons. I wish nathan would just die so everyone would have to deal with the fall out from what that means, buti doubt we ever see that. (not a knock against the actor, i like nathan, but lets have some permanant change).

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9/28/09 at 7:40pm

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I only liked the musical sight power on display.

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9/28/09 at 7:57pm

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I'm still digging the carnival characters.

Claire's friend is kind of a pain in the ass. Maybe I'm just projecting my perverse desires but it seems like she's into Claire.

Is Mohinder off the show for good? Nothing against the actor but I wouldn't miss him. Unfortunately, the writers didn't really seem to know what to do with him after awhile so he started doing things like working for the bad guys or shooting himself up with a drug to give himself powers.

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9/28/09 at 9:16pm

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Claire's friend is kind of a pain in the ass. Maybe I'm just projecting my perverse desires but it seems like she's into Claire.

My friend and I were both thinking the same thing. When they were doing the whole scissor thing on her hand, my friend said something like "oh just kiss her already".

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9/28/09 at 9:52pm

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My friend and I were both thinking the same thing. When they were doing the whole scissor thing on her hand, my friend said something like "oh just kiss her already".

Wow. I don't know if all the double entendre is intended, but the imagery is pretty thick there...

I like her as an actress (the girl who plays Gretchen) who I thought was much better in Californication.. but we'll see where this develops.

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9/28/09 at 11:40pm

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Im late watchig this show, which suprises alot of people, considering how steeped in comic books I was in my youth.

I watched the season opener (out of boredom) and liked it, especially the eulogy and figured Id give the show a chance. I got about half way the S4 opener when I turned it of and decided to go back to the beginning.

In the middle of season1 and enjoying it and looking foward to see where it goes.

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9/29/09 at 10:35am

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Claire's friend is kind of a pain in the ass. Maybe I'm just projecting my perverse desires but it seems like she's into Claire.

Well

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Since one of the comic conventions, they've been saying, "Ooh, Claire's going to kiss a girl!" As someone said earlier, too bad they killed off the wrong coed. Annie was cute. Gretchen is, to me, painfully unattractive.

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9/29/09 at 10:42am

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^ If that's where they go, I think it'll just come off as a desperate attempt at grabbing ratings. In all fairness, I haven't seen how it'll work in the episode but I can't imagine it coming off any different than that.

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9/29/09 at 2:15pm

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That's been the consensus at places like Newsarama. And, that crowd isn't exactly averse to a scene like that.

Then again, if they smell a stunt, they're merciless even if it comes off okay on the screen.

BTW, good episode last night. I think we can put to rest any doubts about whether Samuel is evil or not. Quinto better watch out. They've finally found an actor who can match him. But, Quinto was good last night as well. Interesting that he made Parkman find a body in a hidden crawlspace, since that's where we first saw a survivor of Sylar's handiwork before we'd even met Sylar.

The Claire storyline is not so interesting, however. Could be worse.

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9/29/09 at 3:19pm

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It wouldn't be "Heroes" if at least a couple storylines weren't firing on cylinders. Dramatically diminished from the first season but enjoyable enough on its own level.

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9/29/09 at 7:27pm

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BTW, good episode last night. I think we can put to rest any doubts about whether Samuel is evil or not. Quinto better watch out. They've finally found an actor who can match him.

This is why they need to get Sylar off the show...Even if its just for another season. You need to allow the development of other bad guys. Without always having to come back to Sylar.

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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9/29/09 at 8:56pm

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i would love if the cheerleader would not have been saved.

claire really drags this show down. she adds nothing to the show except some t & a for horny dudes.

if half of EVERY episode were not spent on her lame plot lines this show could move on to something interesting.

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9/30/09 at 6:08am

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I really liked the style of this new episode. Of the few comics I've read, my favorites are the Astro City series which have a flavor of superheroes in "ordinary" life; and this was of that style.

The "musical sight" was a bit odd to me, in that it was synesthesia which is interesting, but not a superpower. But an interesting depiction.

I'm still not crazy about the carnies. I don't know...evil carnies...it feels like a bad horror-movie gag.

Despite my desire for Sylar to exit the show, Parkman's plotline brings back the dread from the original Sylar story. And because the solution is so easy yet impossible, it makes it even more stressful. But if the story actually was resolved properly, it would be an stunning shakeup to the Heroes world.

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9/30/09 at 4:47pm

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Actually the idea of superpowered baddies hiding at a carnival is kind of brilliant.

Where else can say, a strong man, fortune teller (psychic), fire shooter, etc, whatever, dwell with their own kind, and use and master their abilities and without bringing too much attention to themselves.

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9/30/09 at 5:22pm

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Actually the idea of superpowered baddies hiding at a carnival is kind of brilliant.

Where else can say, a strong man, fortune teller (psychic), fire shooter, etc, whatever, dwell with their own kind, and use and master their abilities and without bringing too much attention to themselves.

Carnivale.

Every man is my superior, in that I may learn from him.

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10/1/09 at 8:00am

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Ha! ^^^

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10/1/09 at 11:36am

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I do like the Carnies, and it seems maybe only the leader is the real bad guy, the knife guy wants out it seems and the woman looks neutral. I agree, need to get Sylar off the show or something, just not good to have an all powerfull villian.

I just don't see why Parkman would not want to use his mind reading abilities as a cop, in those situations. I can see not wanting to control peoples minds but c'mon, you don't want to read their thoughts and find out where the drugs(or whatever is)? Find that lame and bugged me the entire time he was on screen.

Claire, seems like the same thing over and over.

I think the show is better then last couple years so far though.

I have seen Larry David in action, and that man is an animal, and he has to be stopped.

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10/1/09 at 1:21pm

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I just don't see why Parkman would not want to use his mind reading abilities as a cop, in those situations. I can see not wanting to control peoples minds but c'mon, you don't want to read their thoughts and find out where the drugs(or whatever is)? Find that lame and bugged me the entire time he was on screen.

I'm with you. I've always liked Greg Grunberg/Parkman in this show but it's tough to sympathasize with the character when he seems to be creating more problems for himself. I can understand that he doesn't want to use his powers to spy on his wife but when he thinks a kid may be in danger, I couldn't think of a reason for him to not use his powers immediately.

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10/1/09 at 1:22pm

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The mind reading is just the gateway drug - he starts using that and then it's not far to mind control and making people think they're other people. ;)

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10/2/09 at 6:13pm

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Well they pretty much gave a good explanation this episode on why he shouldn't use his mind powers. Now he knows he can't trust the results if he does, which makes it pretty useless, and dangerous to use.

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10/5/09 at 8:51am

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The reason he can't trust the powers now is that Sylar can hijack them.

I think Parkman is seeing his powers as more like psychic rape -- a kind of violation he's getting more and more uncomfortable with.

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10/6/09 at 5:17am

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Could that grave be any more shallow?

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10/6/09 at 6:40am

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Haha, poor Nathan. How many times does he have to die on this show?

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10/6/09 at 8:14am

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Could that grave be any more shallow?

When it was being dug by the killer it looked quite deep. Then when the arm pops out and the camera pans to the body I thought the exact same thing.

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10/6/09 at 8:38am

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I actually like the Hiro story in this week's episode. For a change, the comedy came from the character, instead of just being tacked on as comic relief. I think he learned a good lesson that treating the symptom (the xeroxing) was not the same as dealing with the underlying problem (hating the job).

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10/8/09 at 9:53pm

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"Carnivale."

Carnivale is still a Carnival. :)

Anyway Im on the first episodes of S4 and have enjoyed the show for the most part. Theres alot I dont like, and I agree that the show really lost alot of focus and has alot of missteps. I HATE time travel - but for the most part Ive enjoyed the show.

Tired of:
Noah, Hiro,Claire, Nathan, Matt,Angela

WTF??? to killing:
Knox,Elle, Daphne, Adam, Vortex guy

Dont understand why theyve focused on characters who stopped being interesting awhile ago and killing off ones who were interesting. It introduces some ideas and then drops them, or cant make up its mind about what to do.Or just plan makes mistakes - like Claire blood being a cure for instance. Terrible idea.Mohinder being given powers.Dumb. I loved the idea of Matts father doing Arthur Ps bidding, taking orders while he was in a coma. Cool idea... next episode Arthur was up and walking around and Adam and Matts father(who was a cool villian) was dead. Oh well.

I know alot of people have complained about Sylar but except for his breif good guy/Hunger thing, Ive really enjoyed him. Sylar shoudl always kind of be out there. Doing his thing. Hes actually been less interesting when involved with the heroes of the story.I enjoyed the search for his father thing quite a bit.

Enjoyed S1. Except for Hiros story, I liked S2. S3 started badly and theres alot wrong with it, but I enjoyed quite a bit of it. Would be a much better show if there kept the number of episodes down, we'd have alot less padding and tighter stoylines. Part of the problem is I dont think his show needs 20+ episodes to tell the story.

Edited by JonZ - 10/8/09 at 10:09pm

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10/8/09 at 10:01pm

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Carnivale is still a Carnival. :)

Damn I still miss that show. Then again, I could imagine any of those people absolutely destroying the current cast of Heroes.. and as far as a tormented villain, if they ever had anything as gripping and fairly terrifying as Brother Justin, I'd tune in week after week.

Edited by mattCR - 10/10/09 at 9:45pm

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10/8/09 at 10:07pm

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How can you not love Clancy. You know, I had no idea he did the voice for Mr Crab on Spongebob until only a couple weeks ago. I was at a friends house and he brought Spongebob up on tivo for his son, and I noticed Clanys name.

Word is a The Goon animated film is in the works, and I believe Clancy will be doing The Goons voice as well. .

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