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Originally Posted by Robert George
The mastering that was done for this latest Blu-ray has not be artificially sharpened. Previous versions have been.
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| And yet I see edge halos on the Skynet encode, just as I see them on other HD versions. |
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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Nope. Yours isn't. But mine is. And if it's giving newer players problems...I'm wary that it might be even worse for the older players--if it's asking too much of them. Hopefully somebody out there with a first gen player will be a guinea pig and report in sometime.
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Originally Posted by RickER
Mike i own a Sony BDP300, and T2 plays in it. I also own a 350, the movie also plays in it.
However, on both machines it wants that internet connection. It takes FOREVER to load. But it does load, and it will play. I think it took a good minute or two, on both players, before it starts. Movie looks and sounds great! I hope a firmware update gets it to load faster! |
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Originally Posted by cafink
Robert,
How do you know that other releases of T2 have been artificially sharpened? Are you simply assuming they have been because they appears sharper than the Skynet Edition, to which you know (from Van Ling's comments in the HTF "Insiders" area) that no DNR was applied? Or do you have additional information to suggest that the other releases were sharpened? I ask because in a recent update on The Digital Bits, Bill Hunt proffered that a difference in video codecs and bit-rates could explain that difference in sharpness between the Skynet Edition and the Japanese Geneon version. The Skynet Edition has a lower bit-rate than the Geneon, and a different codec that apparently copes with low bit-rates by "smoothing" the image somewhat. This seems like a more believable explanation of why the Geneon version looks appreciably sharper than the Skynet, even though both come from the same master and no DNR was applied to Skynet. |
| Since the Geneon Entertainment T2 BD uses a different encode than either the original Lionsgate or Studio Canal encodes, it would appear that no definitive statement can be made with respect to the presence of artificial sharpening on it given your contact is in a position to have some information about Lionsgate/Studio Canal discs only based on what you wrote above, correct? |
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Originally Posted by CraigF
The more I read about this release, the happier I am about it. I think I will break down much sooner than I expected I would.
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Originally Posted by Robert George
Yes, as far as the parameters of your question go. Geneon's encode is specific to that disc, but the source master is still the same as the Lionsgate and Studio Canal discs. If the question is, did Geneon apply any sharpening to their master prior to encoding, the answer is, I don't know. Further, that is the one version of the movie I don't have, so I wouldn't even offer a guess. If I were guessing based on posted screenshots (which I don't do), I'd say there was some image processing applied to the Geneon master. That's my opinion based on screenshots alone and what my experience tells me.
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At that point, I think I will have a big A-B comparison-o-rama. I don't expect it to prove anything other than which one I prefer however.
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Originally Posted by cafink
I ask because in a recent update on The Digital Bits, Bill Hunt proffered that a difference in video codecs and bit-rates could explain that difference in sharpness between the Skynet Edition and the Japanese Geneon version. The Skynet Edition has a lower bit-rate than the Geneon, and a different codec that apparently copes with low bit-rates by "smoothing" the image somewhat. This seems like a more believable explanation of why the Geneon version looks appreciably sharper than the Skynet, even though both come from the same master and no DNR was applied to Skynet.
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Originally Posted by The Digital Bits
"Long time reader of your website. You've probably put this issue to bed now, but the other contributing factor is that both AVC and VC-1 have inloop deblocking filters to reduce compression artifacts. Unlike DVD, if the bitrate is lower, instead of seeing compression artifacts, the macroblocks that make up the image have their edges 'feathered' which will obviously soften the image. I've done a number of inhouse tests with both Sonic's Cinevison and the Cinemacraft H.264 Encoder at bitrates ranging from 34Mbps down to 4-6Mbps and all that happens is that the image becomes 'softer'.
All the best from the UK." |
\"My opinion is that (a) anyone who actually works in a video store and does not understand letterboxing has given up on life, and (b) any customer who prefers to have the sides of a movie hacked off should not be licensed to operate a video player.\"-- Roger Ebert
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Originally Posted by Peter Raber
I believe the 10A is Profile 1.2, maybe 1.1, but it does play in it.
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Originally Posted by ScottJH
Geneon cons:
About 5x the price of the Skynet edition. Skynet pros: Only $14.99 Since Best Buy online has this on sale for $14.99... |
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Originally Posted by Robert George
Yes, as far as the parameters of your question go. Geneon's encode is specific to that disc, but the source master is still the same as the Lionsgate and Studio Canal discs. If the question is, did Geneon apply any sharpening to their master prior to encoding, the answer is, I don't know. Further, that is the one version of the movie I don't have, so I wouldn't even offer a guess. If I were guessing based on posted screenshots (which I don't do), I'd say there was some image processing applied to the Geneon master. That's my opinion based on screenshots alone and what my experience tells me.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
The Geneon costs $75? That's too rich for my blood. It sure didn't take long for there to be sale on this disc, $15 is a great price.
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\"My opinion is that (a) anyone who actually works in a video store and does not understand letterboxing has given up on life, and (b) any customer who prefers to have the sides of a movie hacked off should not be licensed to operate a video player.\"-- Roger Ebert
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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
Well, today in the mail I received Sony's latest Firmware Upgrade Disc. I was able to load it in and I fairly quickly "updated" my Sony 350 player, and T2: SKYNET EDITION now plays fine. That's the good news.
The bad news is that I see what others are talking about, in so far as this not exactly being an "excellent" quality BD. I think a better one will arrive somewhere down the pike one day. I have a question some of you may be able to answer. On some of the closeups I sampled (a good one being where Dr. Silberman recommends that Sarah be kept in the institution for another 6 months) I can see his face kind of "floating"... it's an effect where parts of the face seem to "swim" or move ever so slightly about, and it's really irritating. I first had this problem with the Blu-ray of FIRST BLOOD. Anyone else know that I'm talking about? |
