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6/8/09 at 2:03am
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No colorized episodes? Bad move from Disney. Why not release both of them in BD discs? If they don't have enough disc space. The work that was done in the 90's was excellent, of course purists will say it's heresy, but this is of course, an exception.

Do you know if there's a chance in the future that we can see all Zorro episodes in HD like Star Trek/TOS?

Great news, though. I hope this time Disney releases the show outside US.

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6/8/09 at 8:26am
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No colorized episodes? Bad move from Disney. Why not release both of them in BD discs? If they don't have enough disc space. The work that was done in the 90's was excellent, of course purists will say it's heresy, but this is of course, an exception.

Do you know if there's a chance in the future that we can see all Zorro episodes in HD like Star Trek/TOS?

Great news, though. I hope this time Disney releases the show outside US.

Um, this is the whole point of the Treasures format, to present the show as close to it's original format as possible. In this case, Zorro was done in black and white.

With all due respect, if only purists like things in black and white, why is it shows like I Love Lucy, Twilight Zone, Gunsmoke et al all do so well?

As for BD releases, right now, Disney is focusing just on their feature releases. Switching to BR with the Treasures right now would probably hurt the sales since not everyone has or can afford a BD player. This way, everyone has a chance to own Zorro.

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6/9/09 at 2:00am
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Um, this is the whole point of the Treasures format, to present the show as close to it's original format as possible. In this case, Zorro was done in black and white.

With all due respect, if only purists like things in black and white, why is it shows like I Love Lucy, Twilight Zone, Gunsmoke et al all do so well?
I didn't say that. But from what I read on this thread, purists are the only ones that hate modifications that were made to improve the original presentation. They are just a bonus.

I really hate when they remove the original version/contents and replace with something new/different. They should always offer both versions.

I don't have access to the Disney Club and I am not U.S. resident, so that means no way to buy the colorized episodes (?), other than the french boxsets (with PAL speedup. At least the 1st season features subtitles).

Sure it's great to have the original B&W episodes (specially if the picture is improved), but why not offer the two things like Paramound did with Star Trek/TOS in the BD release? They offered the original/modified (with new SFX) episodes.

I always watched the colorized episodes, and never saw more than a few clips from the B&W Zorro. That's why I don't think this is fair.

And you quoted Gunsmoke, but missed the fact the only half of the show was made in B&W. But it doesn't matter. This a really good example where the B&W doesn't bother me. The picture is gorgeous, so either one of them will fit well. If that wasn't the case, then the lack of colours would make everything much worse.

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6/9/09 at 5:40am
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I'm actually with Matt 100% on this. The original product was never meant to be in color. Colorization, as far as I'm concerned, was done to Zorro and other productions simply to get the anti-b/w crowd to buy or watch the program. Instead of educating themselves about how the show is supposed to look, everyone wants it to look "modern."

Trek TOS is a special case. Those effects were redone with great care in the same way the originals were done. You don't have the Enterprise doing a barrel roll like the Defiant. Rather, they mimic the original. I'm not a fan of the idea, but CBS (not Paramount, btw) did them right.
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6/9/09 at 8:57am
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I'm actually with Matt 100% on this. The original product was never meant to be in color. Colorization, as far as I'm concerned, was done to Zorro and other productions simply to get the anti-b/w crowd to buy or watch the program. Instead of educating themselves about how the show is supposed to look, everyone wants it to look "modern."

Trek TOS is a special case. Those effects were redone with great care in the same way the originals were done. You don't have the Enterprise doing a barrel roll like the Defiant. Rather, they mimic the original. I'm not a fan of the idea, but CBS (not Paramount, btw) did them right.

At the risk of sounding a little "me too!", one thing worth adding to the B&W v. Color argument for Zorro is it's not like Walt didn't have the ability to shoot in color. All the original Davy Crockett episodes (save for the Walt bumpers) of Disneyland were shot in color with an eye toward when technology would catch up. Walt chose not to take that route with Zorro for either the regular episodes or the Disneyland episodes.

I do understand why someone would want them in color if that is how they were exposed to them, but trust me, a.) you can tell they've been colorized and b.) I think it actually detracts from the quality of the image. Not a fact, just an opinion.

Long story short, unless you can reach someone in the US or Canada who has access to the color DVDs from the Movie Club, you'll have to live with "as-originally-broadcast" format. Trust me, I think for than one Zorro fan will want to part with the colorized ones in favor of the Treasures, so you may end up getting them cheap.

For the record, and I'm just saying this in passing, I never liked the idea of the Trek OS having it's visuals tampered with. That being said, the Trek OS on BD will be my first purchase when I get a player and I'll be more than happy to contrast and compare and offer a more informed opinion then than just to yell "Blasphemer!" and start looking for a torch and pitchfork.

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6/9/09 at 11:32am
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At the risk of sounding a little "me too!", one thing worth adding to the B&W v. Color argument for Zorro is it's not like Walt didn't have the ability to shoot in color. All the original Davy Crockett episodes (save for the Walt bumpers) of Disneyland were shot in color with an eye toward when technology would catch up. Walt chose not to take that route with Zorro for either the regular episodes or the Disneyland episodes.
Good point. The choice to use B&W instead of color was most likely intended as a way to recreate the historical feel to the franchise which audiences of the TV program would have best remembered from the popular silent (21) and sound (40) feature film versions.

I think the point here is availability. There are ways (beyond the Disney Club etc. to buy the colorized versions if you prefer them, there has been no way to obtain the original B&W episodes. The idea behind the Treasures sets doesn't seem to be to provide consumers with every version available, just that one closest to their original presentation - as a previous poster pointed out. I believe this was definitely the best decision.
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6/9/09 at 12:46pm
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I'm in if the price is right.
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6/9/09 at 2:47pm
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Amazon currently has a pre-order price of $38.99 for each set. I pre-ordered mine a few weeks ago from them at $42.99, and they've already lowered the price for me.

This may be as good as it gets. I just didn't want a repeat of the Dr. Syn problems from last year.
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6/9/09 at 8:24pm
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Amazon currently has a pre-order price of $38.99 for each set. I pre-ordered mine a few weeks ago from them at $42.99, and they've already lowered the price for me.

This may be as good as it gets. I just didn't want a repeat of the Dr. Syn problems from last year.

Tell me about it. I thought I'd missed Dr. Syn myself until my family came through and got it directly through Disney for me. Unfortunately, Disney seems to be reducing the number of editions in an issue so they don't have tins warming the shelves. The drawback is they now tend to sell out before the hardcores really have a crack at them and some of us have learned the hard way not to wait until Christmas.

Well, they're on my wishlist, so let's just hope the family comes through.

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10/26/09 at 3:04pm
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It's now being reported in a review on Amazon.com and at ultimatedisney.com that the Zorro tins are limited to 30,000 copies.
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10/26/09 at 3:26pm
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Glad mine's pre-ordered.  They will be more difficult to find than Dr. Syn.
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10/26/09 at 3:41pm
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Yeah, I finally got my pre-order in last week.  There were also 35k+ copies of the Annette set last year and it's still easy to find, so it's hard to tell how this is going to go.  Regardless, best not to take any chances.  It's not like waiting makes it much cheaper.
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