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HTF DVD REVIEW: Nickelodeon/The Last Picture Show

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Nickelodeon/The Last Picture Show





Studio: Sony/Columbia

Years:

1971 (The Last Picture Show)
1976 (Nickelodeon)

Rated:

PG (Nickelodeon theatrical cut)
Not Rated (Nickelodeon Director’s cut)
R (The Last Picture Show)

Length:

122 Minutes (Nickelodeon Theatrical Cut)
125 Minutes (Nickelodeon Director’s Cut)
126 Minutes (The Last Picture Show Director’s Cut)

Aspect Ratios:

1.85:1 color anamorphic widescreen (Nickelodeon Theatrical Cut)
1.85:1 black & white anamorphic widescreen (Nickelodeon Director’s Cut)
1.85:1 black & white anamorphic widescreen (The Last Picture Show Director’s Cut)

Languages:

English, French Dolby Digital 2.0 (Nickelodeon Theatrical Cut)
English Dolby Digital 2.0 (Nickelodeon Director’s Cut)
English, French Dolby Digital 2.0 (The Last Picture Show Director’s Cut)

Subtitles: English, French (all three films)


The Program

Peter Bogdanovich is one of the more interesting and talented Hollywood directors of the past forty years, but all too often his work has been frustratingly self-indulgent. The multi-talented Bogdanovich has written several excellent books about the movie industry, including “Who the Devil Made It” (about film directors whose films display distinctive style) and “Who the Hell’s in It,” profiles of famous actors. He has been a successful character actor, both in films and on television. Bogdanovich also has led a tumultuous personal life. His marriage to his first wife, Polly Platt, ended in divorce in 1970. He fell in love with Cybill Shepherd on the set of The Last Picture Show, beginning an on-again, off-again affair which lasted for much of the decade. He once again fell for one his female stars, Dorothy Stratten, during the filming of They All Laughed. Stratten, of course, was then tragically murdered by her husband when she announced that she was moving in with Bogdanovich. In 1988, at the age of 49, Bogdanovich married Dorothy Stratten’s younger sister, who was 20 years old at the time of the wedding. That union lasted for approximately 13 years. Ultimately, however, Bogdanovich likely will be best remembered as a director who made one great film, several very good films, and a number of monumental flops.

This double-feature DVD includes Bogdanovich’s greatest film, The Last Picture Show, and what may be the best of his box office flops, Nickelodeon. There is little that I can say about The Last Picture Show which hasn’t been said before. Based upon the Larry McMurtry novel of the same name, it is a gritty look at life in a dusty Texas town in the early fifties. Bogdanovich explains that he first saw McMurtry’s book on a store rack and was intrigued by the title, but he lost interest when he saw that it focused on the lives of high school students. Later he was given a copy of the book by his friend Sal Mineo, who told Bogdanovich that he should make a movie of it. After reading the book, the director decided that he wanted to do it. In addition to Shepherd, the outstanding cast includes Timothy Bottoms, Jeff Bridges, Ellen Burstyn, Cloris Leachman (who won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress), Randy Quaid, Eileen Brennan and Ben Johnson (who won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor). Johnson, ironically, was a reluctant member of the cast. Bogdanovich desperately wanted Johnson to play the part of Sam the Lion, but it took the intercession of John Ford to convince Johnson to accept the role. Savvy film buffs will get a kick out of one scene in which a poster for Wagon Master, a 1950 John Ford western which starred Johnson, is on display.

The Director’s Cut of The Last Picture Show is actually the original, albeit unreleased, version of the film. At 126 minutes the studio decided that it was too long, and the director was forced to cut seven minutes of footage. This version appears to be identical to both the 1991 Criterion laserdisc and the 1999 DVD. Bogdanovich restored one scene in which Genevieve (Eileen Brennan’s character), explains the family situations of best friends Sonny (Timothy Bottoms) and Duane (Jeff Bridges). A pool room scene in which Jacy (Cybill Shepherd) is ravished by Abilene (Clu Gulager) was mostly excised for the theatrical release, but it is fully restored here.

Nickelodeon is the director’s homage to the silent film era. Leo Harrigan (Ryan O’Neal) is a struggling Chicago attorney who accidentally meets an independent filmmaker, H.H. Cobb (Brian Keith). Based in part on fact, Nickelodeon explores an era in which “patent wars” pitted thugs against filmmakers who were using proprietary motion picture cameras without paying royalties. Harrigan inadvertently provides Cobb with a story idea, so Cobb hires him as a screenwriter and sends him west to provide scripts for Cobb’s California productions. Along the way Leo meets and becomes infatuated with Kathleen Cooke (Jane Hitchcock), a young ingénue. A love triangle develops when Kathleen finds herself attracted to Buck Greenway (Burt Reynolds), who is hired by Leo to be his leading man. Others in the film company include the cameraman, Frank Frank (John Ritter), and Marty Reeves (Stella Stevens), a slightly aging leading lady who finds herself being supplanted by Kathleen. Also helping out is a spunky teenager, Alice (Tatum O’Neal, one of the best child actors in the history of American film).

Nickelodeon is something of a mixed bag. Bogdanovich wanted Jeff Bridges and John Ritter of play the roles which were given to Reynolds and O’Neal, and the role of Kathleen had been written with Cybill Shepherd in mind. However, the studio had concluded that Shepherd had become box office poison and insisted that recognized stars play the male leads. Shepherd then recommended that Bogdanovich use Hitchcock, who was a successful New York model with no film experience. Hitchcock actually does a reasonably good job playing the naïve Kathleen, although her limited acting range is evident. O’Neal and Reynolds were in fact a bit old for their parts, but they acquit themselves well. Stevens turns in an appealing performance and Tatum O’Neal is excellent as she more or less reprises her Academy Award-winning role in Paper Moon.

The real eye-opener here is the Director’s Cut, which restores several minutes of footage and is shown in glorious black & white. Bogdanovich explains that he always wanted to make the film in black & white, but the studio insisted that it be shot in color. In fact, the director’s instincts were correct. In color, Nickelodeon comes across as contrived and artificial. In black & white, the viewer really gets the impression of being in the silent movie era. The restored footage includes one essential scene in which Leo has a romantic rendezvous with Marty in her room. The scene was cut because it makes Leo come across as a rat (Marty and Frank had been lovers for some time), but it is an establishing scene for Marty’s actions when the company arrives in Hollywood. Also included is an unnecessary pie fight scene which adds nothing to narrative but which Bogdanovich likes. Finally, the scene of the premiere of D.W. Griffith’s Birth of a Nation includes additional footage from that controversial silent classic and a shot in which Buck surprisingly sheds a tear.

The result is an uneven combination of comedy, drama and slapstick. The reviews were mixed and Bogdanovich says that Nickelodeon barely turned a profit at the box office. However, on the whole it is an enjoyable if flawed look at the early years of the motion picture business. Whatever his faults as a director, Peter Bogdanovich is an unabashed lover of films, and that love shows through here.

The Video

Both versions of Nickelodeon look fine. The transfers are sharp and devoid of any noticeable flaws. The colors on the theatrical cut are somewhat muted, as was typical of films of that era, but they are accurate and are rendered without any bleeding or other anomalies. The black & white version is superb. Using the latest technical advances to convert the film to black & white, Sony has produced inky blacks with strong contrasts and excellent shadow detail. I would be interesting in hearing from Robert Harris on this, but if I had not known better I would never have guessed that this version was converted from color. On the commentary track Bogdanovich raves about how good the black & white version looks. Framing appears to be accurate and the grain structure on both versions is appropriately film-like.

I do not have the 1999 DVD of The Last Picture Show available to make a direct comparison, but others have noted that this transfer is a distinct improvement. I saw what appeared to be a slight amount of dirt on a few frames during the opening credits, but otherwise this transfer is terrific. The cinematography by Robert Surtees is absolutely first-rate and does a wonderful job of evoking the place and era. The film’s authenticity is enhanced by the fact that it was shot on location in Archer City, Texas, the town which was the inspiration for Larry McMurtry’s novel. This transfer displays solid blacks, crisp images and an appropriate level of film grain. Short of a possible Blu-ray release, this likely is a good as The Last Picture Show will ever look.

The Audio

The English Dolby Digital 2.0 soundtracks offer nothing which will tax your sound system, but the mono sound is clear, intelligible, and devoid of annoying hiss and distortion. For both films Bogdanovich relied upon period music, and all of the tunes sound very, very good.

The Supplements

Peter Bogdanovich supplies commentaries for the The Last Picture Show and the Director’s Cut of Nickelodeon. He has a tendency to repeat himself (I lost count of how many times he complains about having to compromise on the production of Nickelodeon), but he also provides some interesting insights. The scene in The Last Picture Show which immediately precedes the Abilene-Jacy poolroom scene is a case in point. When Abilene comes to Jacy’s home and discovers that her mother is not home, the shots or Clu Gulager and Cybill Shepherd were filmed separately because Shepherd did not like Gulager. The gut-wrenching scene at the end involving Timothy Bottoms was filmed without rehearsal because Bogdanovich wanted it to look as spontaneous as possible, and Bottoms nailed it on the first take.

Also included is a fascinating documentary, “The Last Picture Show: A Look Back.” Most members of the principal cast appear and recount their experiences while making the film. Cybill Shepherd candidly describes how it was not until the last minute that she agreed to do two nude scenes. Cloris Leachman talks about how nervous she and Timothy Bottoms were when it came time to film their bedroom scene. Ellen Burstyn recalls how she received the most important acting lesson of her life while taking direction from Bogdanovich. The documentary closes with Bogdanovich recalling a discussion he had with Orson Welles about Greta Garbo. Bogdanovich remarked that it was too bad that over the course of her career she only made two really good films. Welles though about that for a minute and said "Well, you only need one."

Another extra is a new 13-minute interview with the director. He talks about his background, his style of making films, and his approach to film reviews.

A six-minute promotional short for the theatrical re-release of The Last Picture Show includes footage of a very young Peter Bogdanovich. Finally, the original theatrical trailer is shown in 1.85:1 anamorphic widescreen. The trailer is in excellent shape.

One thing that continues to be an annoyance is when Director’s Cuts are issued without any guidance as to where the changes have been made. Unless you are intimately familiar with the theatrical releases of these films, you will have to listen to the commentaries (or read my review!) to learn where the restored footage has been inserted.

The Packaging

This is a two-disc set, with each film (and its extras) appearing on its own disc. Both discs are secured in a DVD keepcase.

The Final Analysis

I have no idea if Sony plans to release these films on Blu-ray, but for now these are the definitive versions of these films. At a street price of $20 or so, owners of the 1999 DVD of The Last Picture Show may want to double dip for the improved picture quality, plus the opportunity to see Nickelodeon.

Equipment used for this review:

Toshiba HD-XA-2 DVD player
Sharp LC-42D62U LCD display
Yamaha HTR-5890 THX Surround Receiver
BIC Acoustech speakers
Interconnects: Monster Cable

Release Date: Available Now (April 21, 2009)

Rich Gallagher

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"The reviews were mixed and Bogdanovich says that Nickelodeon barely turned a profit at the box office"

That's the funniest thing I've read in ages. Barely turned a profit??? Peter, really, it's time to just stop living in denial and admit that Nickelodeon was a box-office turkey - barely turned a profit - that's spin of the highest order.
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That's the funniest thing I've read in ages. Barely turned a profit??? Peter, really, it's time to just stop living in denial and admit that Nickelodeon was a box-office turkey - barely turned a profit - that's spin of the highest order.

Do you have any hard data on the box office receipts? All I've been able to confirm is that it cost about $9 million to make.

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There are lots of movies that "barely made a profit"- or didn't make a profit at all.

Batman 1989. Fahrenheit 911. Return of the Jedi.

No, that's not my opinion, that's the word of Warner Brothers, Michael Moore, and Lucasfilm Ltd.

Hollywood accounting is a funny thing. And given we're talking about a movie involving Hollywood and thuggery- wholly ironic.
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There are lots of movies that "barely made a profit"- or didn't make a profit at all.

Batman 1989. Fahrenheit 911. Return of the Jedi.

Farenheit 911 made US$223 million world wide in theatrical release alone. I strongly doubt it cost that much money to make! That makes it the highest grossing 'documentary' (I am using that term extremely loosely) of all time. Boxoffice mojo says it cost $6 million, which would've mainly been clearances on copyright material.

Return of the Jedi made US$475 million, again, if it cost that much to make it would be the most expensive film ever made, Boxoffice Mojo says it cost $33 million, I assume that is in 1983 dollars, which is about $70 million 2008 dollars.

Batman (1989) made over US$411 million from a $35 million budget.
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No, that's not my opinion, that's the word of Warner Brothers, Michael Moore, and Lucasfilm Ltd.
Studios always under quote profits, because it means they can limit the amount of money given to cast and crew who receive points (a share in the profits).
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Do you have any hard data on the box office receipts? All I've been able to confirm is that it cost about $9 million to make.
I haven't found anything conclusive, but at the very least it seems to have a reputation for being a big failure. $9 million was a pretty big budget in 1976. I've found these:
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Nickelodeon (1976). When this film opened in the spring of 1975 at Radio City Music Hall (NYC) at Easter time, it was so soundly blasted that Bogdanovich wrote an open letter (full-page ad) in the trade magazine Hollywood Reporter to apologize. The film lost millions, soured the major studios on Bogdanovich (labeling him a megalomaniac), and the relationship between Shepherd and her Svengali-like director likewise ended by 1978.
Greatest Box-Office Bombs, Disasters and Flops
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After the critical and box office disappointment "Nickelodeon" (1976), Peter Bogdanovich's failed ode to the silent film era, Winkler began a long and fruitful collaboration with Martin Scorsese,
Irwin Winkler

At any rate, Box Office isn't necessarily a criterion for the quality of a film, so perhaps it is time this film is re-evaluated? I am looking forward to receiving my copy.
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It is faintly possible that over the years since 1976 that Nickelodeon broke even. While it can really not be compared, the Wizard of OZ did not make money until it was sold to CBS. But Nickelodeon has not had the ancillary rights income pouring in and I do remember the Variety news articles and charts during that time that put this film in basement.

Nickelodeon is infamous as a huge money losing film. I have ordered a copy and can not wait to see it again. I actually enjoyed it during a weeks run at a local theatre and look forward to seeing the director's cut.

But if Mr. Bogdanovich ever says that At Long Last Love or Daisy Miller barely broke even, I will have to have a drink on that one along with a long laugh.
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I have the region 2 DVD of Nickelodeon - hadn't seen it when it came out - not good. Not even that interesting. Very understandable why it bombed - it has never turned a profit. It lost all nine of its nine million dollars (see Mr. Howson's post, but Variety and other articles of the time said it clearly), had a very short time in theaters (a week? Two?), and has never had any ancillary life to speak of. Just how could it turn a profit, barely or otherwise? Wizard Of Oz is quite obviously another story and has nothing whatsoever to do with a bomb like Nickelodeon. Some may ultimately enjoy the film (I found little to enjoy - first off, it would benefit by an actual score, but Bogdanovich doesn't believe in scores - but, for me, there's no reassessment here - just a mediocre movie), but there's no spinning the box-office failure of this film.
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I watched the Dir Cut of NICKELODEON over the weekend. It does benefit from being in BW. Considering LAST PICTURE SHOW and PAPER MOON were shot in BW and were sucessful it is surprising Columbia would not let him shoot it that way. I enjoyed watching the film and am glad I bought it on DVD.
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Thanks, Rich for the review I really enjoyed reading it!


One of the sad things about Peter Bogdanovich is that I think a lot of people can't separate his work from his personal life and I think this led to him getting some harsh reviews of his films and bad press. To me it seemed as if people turned on him and were judging him more than his work. The guy did seem to have a serious thing for young blondes but he was no Roman Polanski....

Granted making a film like Daisy Miller was a serious intermingling of work and personal lives and the result was not good but he has done a lot of good work, some great, and almost always interesting. I love the film Saint Jack as well and I think it deserves more attention than it has received.

Also if anybody checked out that article I posted in the other thread Orson Welles was supposed to play the Brian Keith part in Nickelodeon.

I'd love to hear what Mr. Harris thinks of the black & white treatment of Nickelodeon too...
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I haven't found anything conclusive, but at the very least it seems to have a reputation for being a big failure. $9 million was a pretty big budget in 1976. I've found these:

Greatest Box-Office Bombs, Disasters and Flops

I visited the site and that quote is about At Long Last Love, not Nickelodeon. I think some people may be confusing the two, though I don't really know any hard facts about Nickelodeon's box-office reception (I was less than a year old when it came out). I will note that it came out around Christmas, a heavy moviegoing period, so it's possible that it turned a profit while still being left in the dust by King Kong, A Star Is Born and whatever else was a hit that season.

I liked the movie when I saw it on cable some years back, but then, I have a soft spot for Bogdanovich's Seventies comedies (What's Up, Doc? and Paper Moon), and for the period comedies of that era in general; I even liked Mike Nichols' The Fortune, another bomb. I also thought it was interesting that both Bogdanovich and Mel Brooks, who used a lot of the same actors in their films, made odes to the silent era in the same year.
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I swear I read somewhere that the film did break even and that most people gave the presence of Burt Reynolds, a big star at the time, in the film the credit for this happening. I don't think I read that on the internet though I think it was in a book I had picked up and I don't recall which one.
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Nickelodeon (1976). When this film opened in the spring of 1975 at Radio City Music Hall (NYC) at Easter time, it was so soundly blasted that Bogdanovich wrote an open letter (full-page ad) in the trade magazine Hollywood Reporter to apologize. The film lost millions, soured the major studios on Bogdanovich (labeling him a megalomaniac), and the relationship between Shepherd and her Svengali-like director likewise ended by 1978.

I'm not sure how reliable that source is, given that the film opened on December 21, 1976, not in the spring of 1975. And it opened at the Columbia I and Columbia II theaters in New York City, not at Radio City Music Hall.

In any event, I'm reluctant to call out anyone as a liar without some hard evidence. Clearly, Nickelodeon was a failure at the box office, but whether it actually lost millions has not been proven, as far as I can see.

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I'm not sure how reliable that source is, given that the film opened on December 21, 1976, not in the spring of 1975. And it opened at the Columbia I and Columbia II theaters in New York City, not at Radio City Music Hall.

In any event, I'm reluctant to call out anyone as a liar without some hard evidence. Clearly, Nickelodeon was a failure at the box office, but whether it actually lost millions has not been proven, as far as I can see.

As FrankNolan (Shawn) mentioned above, that quote on that webiste was actually about AT LONG LAST LOVE, not NICKELODEON. So I assume AT LONG LAST LOVE opened at Easter time at Radio City.

I saw NICKELODEON so many years ago on HBO or some pay-channel. I don't remember a thing about it except that I watched it. I'll check it out again - in B/W.
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"The Director’s Cut of The Last Picture Show is actually the original, albeit unreleased, version of the film. At 126 minutes the studio decided that it was too long, and the director was forced to cut seven minutes of footage. This version appears to be identical to both the 1991 Criterion laserdisc and the 1999 DVD."

Really? The 1991 laserdisc is quite different from the 1999 dvd.
If the footage Bogdonvich deleted for the 1999 dvd is back in the film, I'll double dip, if not, I won't.

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"The Director’s Cut of The Last Picture Show is actually the original, albeit unreleased, version of the film. At 126 minutes the studio decided that it was too long, and the director was forced to cut seven minutes of footage. This version appears to be identical to both the 1991 Criterion laserdisc and the 1999 DVD."

Really? The 1991 laserdisc is quite different from the 1999 dvd.
If the footage Bogdonvich deleted for the 1999 dvd is back in the film, I'll double dip, if not, I won't.

I may be mistaken about that. I was under the impression that the 1999 DVD (which I don't have but is called "The Definitive Director's Cut") had the same running time, but now I see that Amazon lists it as 118 minutes, so it looks like I have to take that back.

The new DVD definitely is the 126-minute version.

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As FrankNolan (Shawn) mentioned above, that quote on that webiste was actually about AT LONG LAST LOVE, not NICKELODEON. So I assume AT LONG LAST LOVE opened at Easter time at Radio City.

I checked the NY Times archives, and that is correct. AT LONG LAST LOVE opened at Radio City Music Hall on March 6, 1975. Vincent Canby wrote, "Casting Cybill Shepherd in a musical comedy is like entering a horse in a cat show."

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Amazon is incorrect. The 1999 SE of PICTURE SHOW runs 126 minutes. I checked my copy.
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Farenheit 911 made US$223 million world wide in theatrical release alone. I strongly doubt it cost that much money to make! That makes it the highest grossing 'documentary' (I am using that term extremely loosely) of all time. Boxoffice mojo says it cost $6 million, which would've mainly been clearances on copyright material.

Return of the Jedi made US$475 million, again, if it cost that much to make it would be the most expensive film ever made, Boxoffice Mojo says it cost $33 million, I assume that is in 1983 dollars, which is about $70 million 2008 dollars.

Batman (1989) made over US$411 million from a $35 million budget.

Studios always under quote profits, because it means they can limit the amount of money given to cast and crew who receive points (a share in the profits).

I'm quite sure the amounts listed are accurate, my point was about "profitability." Studios are the ones reported losses on something like F911 or ROTJ. According to them at various points in time (usually before a lawsuit), despite record breaking box office numbers, they still find themselves in the hole.
There was a recent article where Lucasfilm claimed ROTJ lost money. Now, no one over the age of five should believe that- but I imagine some accountant is on staff to prove such a claim in a court of law.
It gets weirder: TransAmerica (parent of UA) probably found a way to make 'Heaven's Gate' profitable through various laws governing how losses are written off when it comes time to do the taxes.
My point, was that claims of what has and hasn't been profitable should be viewed with intense skepticism.
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Amazon is incorrect. The 1999 SE of PICTURE SHOW runs 126 minutes. I checked my copy.

Thanks for the clarification. It didn't make sense to me that the "Definitive Director's Cut" would not include the restored footage.

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I'm quite sure the amounts listed are accurate, my point was about "profitability." Studios are the ones reported losses on something like F911 or ROTJ.
This is just nonsense that they spread in an attempt to get out of their profit sharing obligations.

If a movie makes a lot less than expected at the U.S. box office, they will talk up how much it will make outside of the U.S., or when sold on DVD. If it still doesn't make money, they will use it as a tax write-off, and blame the crew and / or cast.

If a movie makes massive profits, then the production company will start inflating its budget price so the film doesn't reach the contractually defined break even point, so they don't have to pay the actors and principle crew (director, writers, etc) more money.

As Jay Edward Epstein wrote in an article on Schwazeneger's contract for Terminator 3 (which earned him over $30 million in up-front pay):
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...in most cases, Hollywood accounting famously uses smoke and mirrors to make sure to define "break-even" in such a way that a movie never reaches it.
Of course Arnie's lawyers were smart enough to include their own definition of "break even" that resulted in Schwazaneger receiving millions of additional profits from the theatrical and DVD releases, even though by the studio's own definition, the film never reached "break even".

Whether or not a film is profitable is completely unrelated to whether a studio says a film is profitable. Unfortunately we don't know how much money Nickelodeon made without any hard boxoffice data.
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One thing is if all the films that the studios claim did not make money actually did not make money, then the studios would be out of business. Whether a film makes money is based on the accounting practices in place and what the contracts say about how expenses are accounted. Smart people have their participation based on the first dollar taken in at the box office. Of course you need to be Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks or Meryl Streep for that to happen.

The reason for so much confession between AT LONG LAST LOVE and NICKELODEON is they were made back to back with both Burt Reynolds and Cybill Sheppard in them. AT LONG LAST LOVE was the film that ended it all for the great director, at least for several years. While it is difficult to find the BO gross on NICKELODEON, I have it is an old Box Office Magazine that I will hunt for, the box office gross for AT LONG LAST LOVE was 1.5 million and help seal the deal of closing the Radio City Music Hall as a movie theatre (along with other factors). When the picture opened the critics called it the worst film ever made. Now it is camp and some film fans and critics actually talk of it fondly and want to to see it. Time does erase bad memories.

As for The Last Picture Show. Mr. Bogdonvich has tinkered with this film since it's release. For the first VHS release he trimmed the nude swimming party along with some of the pool hall scenes. He has added something back in little by little for the laserdisc, and DVD releases. This film is his passion and I am sure like all good fathers, he wants it to continue to grow to be the best that it can. It is almost a perfect film and one of my all time favorites. I look forward to both films when they arrive (Should have been yesterday). I am glad to hear some of the positive responses on NICELODEON, because of my interest in film history this hits on many marks, from the story to the back-story.
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Actually, Shepherd is not in Nickelodeon as they would not let Peter cast her in it. I do think the Daisy Miller-At Long Last Love combo pretty much had a lot of folks turned against Mr. Bogdanovich and this led to the knives already being sharp for Nickelodeon....
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Here's a look at what Nickelodeon played against in 1976....tough year to get noticed!

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Film (distributor) Release Revenue
1 Rocky (UA) Nov 76 $56.525 m

2 A Star is Born (WB) Dec 76 $37.100 m

3 King Kong (Para.) Dec 76 $36.915 m

4 Silver Streak (Fox) Dec 76 $30.018 m

5 All the President's Men (WB) Apr 76 $30.000 m

6 The Omen (Fox) Jun 76 $28.544 m

7 The Bad News Bears (Para.) Apr 76 $24.888 m

8 The Enforcer (WB) Dec 76 $24.000 m

9 In Search of Noah's Ark (Sunn) Jul 76 $23.770 m

10 Midway (Univ.) Jun 76 $21.610 m

11 Silent Movie (Fox) Jun 76 $21.242 m

12 To Fly! (MacFree)*** Jul 76 $20.000 m

13 The Pink Panther Strikes Again (UA) Dec 76 $19.883 m

14 Murder By Death (Colu.) Jun 76 $19.106 m

15 Marathon Man (Para.) Oct 76 $16.575 m

16 Carrie (UA) Nov 76 $15.208 m

17 Network (MGM/UA) Nov 76 $13.922 m

18 The Outlaw Josey Wales (WB) Jun 76 $13.500 m

19 Taxi Driver (Colu.) Feb 76 $12.569 m

20 Freaky Friday (Disney) Dec 76 $11.708 m
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I also found this very interesting. Here are two versions of what went wrong with Nickelodeon:

Complete article here

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The Bogdanovich version:

The director says that Columbia Pictures chief David Begelman refused to let him make the movie he wanted to make. "I had to make too many terrible compromises," Bogdanovich told me. "I wanted to do it in black-and-white, but Begelman refused. I wanted Ryan O'Neal's part to be played by John Ritter, I wanted Burt Reynolds' part to be played by Jeff Bridges and I wanted Jane Hitchcock's part to be played by Cybill Shepherd. I had to give in to Begelman, so by the time I started shooting, the movie was already compromised. There were just too many things I regretted having to do that hurt the film."

Bogdanovich still doesn't understand why Begelman refused to let the film be shot in black-and-white, especially since it was made not long after a number of filmmakers had enjoyed b&w hits, notably Mel Brooks' "Young Frankenstein," Bob Fosse's "Lenny" and Bogdanovich's own "The Last Picture Show."

"The whole idea was to capture the era, since obviously the original films were shot in black and white," he says. "My cinematographer, Laszlo Kovacs, carefully lit everything to accommodate black-and-white, which is why the lighting looks so good. We used a lot of the techniques of the silent era, irising in and out of scenes. There are no opticals at all in the film. But all the studio wanted was another broad comedy like [his 1972 hit] 'What's Up, Doc?' "



The Winkler version:

Best known as a producer of "Rocky" (which came out the same year as "Nickelodeon,") "Raging Bull" and "GoodFellas," Winkler was already a veteran producer by the time he found himself with a hot script in hand by W.D. (Rick) Richter, who went on to write films for Gene Hackman and Barbra Streisand ("All Night Long") and Robert Redford ("Brubaker"). "It was a great script called 'Stardust Memories,' " Winkler told me. "We sold it right away to Begelman, who went after Bogdanovich to direct it because Peter was the hot guy of the moment."

Bogdanovich was so hot that when a meeting was set up, the director didn't come to the studio, the studio chief had to come to him. As Winkler recalls: "He made David come to his office and wait until the receptionist said, 'Mr. Bogdanovich will see you now.' As soon as we came inside, we were very haughtily told that he thought the script was a piece of [garbage]. I'd been around long enough to know that I should take that as a bad sign. I remember coming out of the meeting, saying, 'David, why should we make the movie with someone who hates our script?' And all David said was, 'Hey, he's a genius.' "

Winkler says Bogdanovich proceeded to entirely rewrite the script. "What he filmed had nothing to do with the original script. I know it meant a lot to Peter to have all of the authentic stories about the silent period in the film, but Rick's script, authentic or not, was terrific. It was just a great drama. By the time Peter was done with it, it was authentic, but it wasn't dramatic anymore. Peter hadn't really experienced any failure yet -- we hired him before 'At Long Last Love' had come out -- so he was easily the most arrogant person I'd ever met in the business, before or since. When we shot the picture, he actually directed some of the scenes on horseback. When I asked him why he was on horseback, he said, "Because that's the way John Ford did it.' "

After Bogdanovich had finished editing the picture, Winkler and his producing partner, Robert Chartoff, went to the director's Bel-Air mansion to see his cut of the film. "It was atrocious. I guess we must have made our feelings known, because I remember Bogdanovich's mother, who was apparently living at the mansion at the time, coming in and saying, 'Don't listen to these people. They're the same kind of men who ruined your father.' I have no idea to this day what she meant," say Winkler. "But for Peter to blame the movie's failure on the casting and not being in black-and-white is a really terrible excuse for a guy who simply screwed up a really terrific script."
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I also found this very interesting. Here are two versions of what went wrong with Nickelodeon
I would definitely believe the Winkler version. His description of Bogdnavich at the time matches others I've heard. I read somewhere that many in the industry really enjoyed it when his career when down the drain.

As for the box office of Nikelodeon, according to James Monaco's book, AMERICAN FILM NOW, it did as poorly as "At Long Last Love."
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Yeah, I don't know him but in speaking with different people and reading different things I am well aware that Mr. Bogdanovich is not well liked and in many cases despised. I've never met him so I don't have my own opinion of him. I can say that in talking with people who have interacted with him more recently they claim these days he is a decent guy, perhaps he learned a lesson or two in humility over the years. Again, who am I to say though because I've never met the man.

I basically judge him on his work only and I like many of his films a lot. I loved What's Up Doc?, The Last Picture Show, Paper Moon, and Saint Jack. I really enjoyed They All Laughed, The Cat's Meow, and his Tom Petty film. That gives the guy a pretty good track record in my book.

I think most of the directors from that era (the whole Easy Riders, Raging Bulls period) have an encyclopedia of stories about them that make them seem like real a$%ho!3s....and perhaps they were but they made some fine films.
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Actually, Shepherd is not in Nickelodeon as they would not let Peter cast her in it. I do think the Daisy Miller-At Long Last Love combo pretty much had a lot of folks turned against Mr. Bogdanovich and this led to the knives already being sharp for Nickelodeon....

You are right, my mistake. Cybil was at that time considered box office poison and At Long Last Love did not help change that thought.

Thanks for pointing out my error.
“For God's sake don't say yes until I've finished talking.” - Daryl F. Zanuck  
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I don't know him but in speaking with different people and reading different things I am well aware that Mr. Bogdanovich is not well liked and in many cases despised.
The one thing that bugs me about Bogdanovich is that he seems to have appointed himself de facto guardian of the legacies of the older directors he knew like Hitchcock and Welles. He's done a seemingly endless amount of interviews and commentaries for their films on DVD, and they always feature a lot of name-dropping and an overall arch attitude. However, at the same time, I recognize that he is THE source for a lot of this info, because he took pains in the early 70s to befriend and converse with the previous generation of filmmakers to an extent no one else did (at least who's still around).

That said, he certainly made some substantial films in the 70s, and I look forward to seeing 'Nickelodeon.'
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