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WarnerArchive.com to release: Maverick, 77 Sunset Strip, Bourboun Street Beat et al

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This Variety article mentions that warnerarchive.com will also be releasing DVD-Rs of some TV shows:
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Likely upcoming TV additions to the MOD [Movie On Demand] service, said Feltenstein, include "Maverick," "77 Sunset Strip," "Bourbon Street Beat," "Bronco," "Lawman" and "Hawaiian Eye."
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Can you imagine how expensive these will be if they are also $19.99 per disk like the movies they have announced at Warner Archives.
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^They won't be that expensive. There's no point in making them available if a season of a small show is going to cost $80 or $100.
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Can you imagine how expensive these will be if they are also $19.99 per disk like the movies they have announced at Warner Archives.

Well, price will definitely be the key to this entire innovation. If we are looking at literally $19.99 or even a discounted price of $14.99 per disc, meaning only 3 or 4 hour long episodes per, then that's going to be way too expensive. If we can get a half season for $19.99 then they have a customer. But I'm not going to be able to afford anything that amounts to more than approximately $40 per season.

Having said all that, I love the idea in principle and hope WB (and maybe other studios) can make it work. Pricing will be the key though.

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But I'm not going to be able to afford anything that amounts to more than approximately $40 per season.
That'd be my guess on what they'll cost. It's pricey but not insane (just like the archive movies). If they go much higher, they're just cutting off potential sales for something that already has a limited audience.
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Well, price will definitely be the key to this entire innovation. If we are looking at literally $19.99 or even a discounted price of $14.99 per disc, meaning only 3 or 4 hour long episodes per, then that's going to be way too expensive. If we can get a half season for $19.99 then they have a customer. But I'm not going to be able to afford anything that amounts to more than approximately $40 per season.

Having said all that, I love the idea in principle and hope WB (and maybe other studios) can make it work. Pricing will be the key though.

Gary "we'll just have to see how this shakes out" O.

If this is the only way that Warner will release these series, that's fine by me. As far as I'm concerned, they don't have to get fancy with this . . . I don't need fancy artwork or elaborate packaging. Just give me solid looking episodes on discs that play in my DVD player and I, for one, will be one happy camper! When it comes to pricing, I just hope that they remember that there is a recession going on and this venture is going to have to be competitively priced with standard DVD for them to make a go of it.
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Except for possible DVD-R concerns, the WB archive service looks interesting since they've added some TV shows to the list. I've been following the WB Archive thread on the Std Film Bd as some probably have here. There's been a lot of discussion about the DVD-R issue. I have run across a couple of DVD-R's in the past that wouldn't play on my Pioneer Std player but played ok on my backup JVC player. Since this is WB, I'm hoping that the media quality, etc, will give us reliable burns.

As most here are thinking the same thing as Gary & Bob, we'll have to see what their pricing structure is for their TV/DVD sets. Just for me, I'm not willing to pay much more than an average TV/DVD pressed set for these releases.

I'm sure that a lot of these concerns will be addressed in the online WB chat tonight.

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Hopefully WB is considering doing full season sets of the shows mentioned. Given their history they're likely to do 1 disc tv favorites or best of sets first.
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Considering the DVD-R nature of this, one would hope they'll offer some sort of warranty on such product. DVD-R is just too unstable compared to proper stamped discs.

Maybe this would be a good avenue for shows they have consistently pushed aside, like Logan's Run or Shazam!.
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I was reading the VB Business article on this earlier this morning. If WB can put season sets for sale of the following shows I will buy them. I hope more studios follow suit with burn on demand.

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Considering the DVD-R nature of this, one would hope they'll offer some sort of warranty on such product. DVD-R is just too unstable compared to proper stamped discs.

Maybe this would be a good avenue for shows they have consistently pushed aside, like Logan's Run or Shazam!.

Per the FQA on the Warner Archive site, they will replace defective discs. They also say the discs might not play on computers that can copy discs due to the copy protection used and on some DVD players manufactured before the year 2000.

http://www.wbshop.com/Warner-Archive...efault,pg.html

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The owner's manual of the DVD player usually lists which DVD recording formats it can play. Almost all DVD players can play DVD-R (except for some older models made before 2000)

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Since these will only be available from Warners what we won't have is DVD bargains. These won't be available as a deal of the day at Amazon, they won't be a part of the Deep Discount semi annual sale, nor will they be in the Walmart $5 bin. Price is definitely a consideration. Per the thread on the movie forum, if these sell well they could be released commercially. Of course if this happens people will be angry about spending money on the DVD-Rs. Kind of like the TV season ver. TV series argument.
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went to the warner website but could not find the shows mentioned. Must still be on the way. Perhaps we could all check regularly and went one of the tv seasons are available, we could let everyone else know it.
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This is really monumental. I hope that Cheyenne Season 2 will be available soon.

If the pricing is high, I'll have to back off on implulse buys of shows that are second tier wants for me. The Warner Classic western and detective shows are the grail shows for me.

I hope these future TV releases have all the original teasers and bumpers, especially on Cheyenne, as sometimes the illustrations on the bumpers were specific to the individual episode's story.
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Per the FQA on the Warner Archive site, they will replace defective discs.

The thing is, though for how long will they replace defectives? DVD-Rs can go bad "on the shelf": it could be months down the road, it could be a couple years. I wonder if they'd really replace a defective I bought today two or three years from now at no charge.

And since they're encrypted, you can't (generally) make your own backups to try to avoid the "DVD-R gone bad" problem.

I'd have to really, really want something bad to even consider purchasing it as a burnt disc.
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i have had dvdr disks for 3 or 4 years and so far no problems on any of them.
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The thing is, though for how long will they replace defectives? DVD-Rs can go bad "on the shelf": it could be months down the road, it could be a couple years. I wonder if they'd really replace a defective I bought today two or three years from now at no charge.

And since they're encrypted, you can't (generally) make your own backups to try to avoid the "DVD-R gone bad" problem.

I'd have to really, really want something bad to even consider purchasing it as a burnt disc.

Since they are making these as you order them it sounds as though these maybe treated as software purchases and once you have purchased said title you should be able to get a replacement for it down the line. No confirmation that this is how it works but if it does work like this I can see this model being very successful .
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depending on the prices, I could see getting Cheyenne, Maverick, Bronco, Sugarfoot, 77 Sunset, and several other titles. Maybe Mama's Family will be one I could order.
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TV Shows on DVD says that their contact at Warners says that this list of shows was just given as examples and no shows have been selected for release just yet. If they are considering Bronco, though, I hope they will also keep Sugarfoot in mind.
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Just make S1 of "The FBI" available and I'd be very pleased.
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Dave Lambert is refuting Variety's article over at TSoD:
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However, there are no TV-related plans in the pipeline just yet, despite what the various reports have said this morning. The Variety story was quoted as saying that "Likely upcoming TV additions to the MOD service, said (George) Feltenstein (senior VP of theatrical catalog marketing at Warner Home Video), include "Maverick," "77 Sunset Strip," "Bourbon Street Beat," "Bronco," "Lawman" and "Hawaiian Eye."" We've been in touch with Warner since then, though, and were told by our contacts there that the list of shows mentioned in the quote is NOT confirmed yet, and were actually told that "no shows have been identified yet" as for-certain becoming a part of this program. Although our contact didn't say so directly, it is apparent to us that Feltenstein was giving examples of shows that possibly could be candidates for this program, not titles that were already in the works.
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Don't get your hopes too high yet.
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I'll put my two cents in and say that this just may be a very good thing...But alas, as a Canadian I have to say "thanks for nothing"....all the films I checked out on the site said "Ships to U.S. Destinations Only".

I'm nowhere near the border... I can't just get a p.o. box over the line....Maybe they'll sort it out one day but I don't see it happening quickly. Maybe I'll just watch stuff on Hulu..... oh wait a minute.... I can't do that either.."Content not available in your area"

Jim
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I'm wondering if we'll see a large quanity of the RKO,MONOGRAM and MGM Films owned by Warners.

My educated guess is I'd say if a film has been aired on TCM or a tv old in syndication (Like to GoodlifeTV/AmericanLife/Encore) we can expect it to at least be accessable. I don't really see them striking up new prints to sell a couple of thousand copies. (so don't expect to see "Colt 45" or "The Dakotas" anytime soon!)

Be interesting to know what type of DVD-R media they are using.

What I also find interesting is they haven't gone down the download route
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I'll put my two cents in and say that this just may be a very good thing...But alas, as a Canadian I have to say "thanks for nothing"....all the films I checked out on the site said "Ships to U.S. Destinations Only".

I'm nowhere near the border... I can't just get a p.o. box over the line....Maybe they'll sort it out one day but I don't see it happening quickly. Maybe I'll just watch stuff on Hulu..... oh wait a minute.... I can't do that either.."Content not available in your area"

Jim

Per tonight's chat the Warner Archive films will soon be available worldwide for films Warner has the worldwide rights, which is most of the films.
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I hope some of the other studios: Universal, Paramount, Fox will join WB on the bandwagon and put some of their "B-listers" on this.

I would love WB to put out Wizards and Warriors, Young Maverick, Superboy, Duck Dodgers and a few other beloved programs that didn't quite get renewals.

Yeah! I know that'll be quite awhile down the turnpike.


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Of the movies currently available, I only want "Doc Savage:Man of Bronze". As soon as I get my next paycheck!!!
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It's a neat idea, but we have to consider the looming spectre of copyright here. If you're encouraging your customers to burn discs, does that mean you can keep a copy on your computer in case the DVD-R goes bad? And on top of this, does this mean there will be a way to 'distribute' these? I don't want to crap on a good idea, but there has to be something about this that we aren't getting initially here.
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It's a neat idea, but we have to consider the looming spectre of copyright here. If you're encouraging your customers to burn discs, does that mean you can keep a copy on your computer in case the DVD-R goes bad? And on top of this, does this mean there will be a way to 'distribute' these? I don't want to crap on a good idea, but there has to be something about this that we aren't getting initially here.

Warner aren't encouraging customers to do the burning: the article said Warner would be doing the burning themselves and that, like "real" (i.e. pressed/stamped) DVDs, they would be copy protected, so the discs would be no easier to replicate than normal DVDs.
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Here's a troubling post I ran across on Roobarb's forum (zetaminor.com/roobarb):

One of the guys on the CHB just got a title from the Archives and has this to say:

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I got ON BORROWED TIME today! I was amazed at how fast it came...so ready for the bad news?

It LOOKS PRETTY BAD. It's clearly just an old video master - has the old Turner "blue lozenge" logo. It may be passable on a small crt monitor, but projected it looks like a laserdisc, as Muttsparks says above. I for one AM NOT SATISFIED. Honestly, I could have copied this off of Turner and except for not having the preview (which actually looks BETTER than the feature) and a few minutes of TCM bug in the corner it would be no different, oh yeah, except it would have cost me a FRIGGIN' QUARTER! Soft, video looking - not even up to the basic release quality we've come to expect from the bare bones Best Buy stuff, etc.

SHAME on George Feltenstein if this is the kind of crud he's going to pawn off on "serious collectors" for 20 bucks a pop plus tax.

Now I bet some titles will look OK, it will totally depend on what masters they have lying around but that's clearly what's happening here - they're just porting over whatever they've got to DVD-R's (which these purple back babies most definitely are) and sticking them out there at more than twice what they're worth. I have honestly bought boots that look this good, and I'm not kidding when I say it looks just about like a laser or dvd recorder copy.

I for one will NOT be buying any more of these at this price - about a 5 dollar quality product at best.

What a mess. Oh well, you've been warned...


So, unless it's something that's never been on home video or reruns (which might necessitate making new transfers), I'd be skeptical of the quality of any TV releases that come down the pipeline.
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^ I'm sure the quality will vary from movie to movie but did you really expect to see a positive review on the internet? The internet seems to be a race to be the first person to say "THIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!" so it's not too surprising to see a negative review right now. Once more titles and reviews come out, I think you'll get a more balanced look at the situation.
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