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Rawhide - Stalled/Abandoned?
3/16/09 at 7:48pm
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Re: Rawhide - Stalled/Abandoned?
Forgive me if this is redundant (I have a feeling these may be up here somewhere), but here's what I have, if anyone else wants to write. Please correct me if these are wrong:MR. JOHN NOGAWSKI, PRESIDENT
CBS DISTRIBUTION
2401 COLORADO AVENUE
SUITE 110
SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA 90404
MR. KEN ROSS, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT
CBS HOME ENTERTAINMENT
1700 BROADWAY
33RD FLOOR
NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10019
Writing is fast and easy so what's to lose? The thing that gets me is, you must figure the sales for Season One a few years back would be pretty much the same as for Season Three presently. I mean, RAWHIDE fans are going to get them all, right? Weird.
Think I will write to Encore-Westerns too, though CBS-Paramount product may indeed be prohibitive (CIMARRON STRIP is still running but Whitman owns that himself). As I recall they ran the B&W GUNSMOKE eps twice through. They certainly seem to doing alright by Warners westerns (now if they ran THE DAKOTAS I'd be ecstatic. Except it only ran 21 eps. Oh well).
3/16/09 at 11:34pm
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Re: Rawhide - Stalled/Abandoned?
I'd also write Paramount Home Entertainment in Hollywood.5555 Melrose Ave
Hollywood Ca 90038
(I did that address from memory so you might wanna check the zip)
3/17/09 at 5:49am
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Encore Westerns ran the black and white hour long Gunsmokes for 3 years, from 2002-2005.Maybe it's the economic downturn that has caused Rawhide to be stalled. Or maybe they planned this out in advance, figuring 3 seasons are enough. They stopped after 3 for Have Gun-Will Travel. Who knows. Maybe next year, or the year after, if the economy picks up and they get enough letters and inquiries, we'll get to see Rawhide Season 4.
3/17/09 at 6:56pm
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I just watch one of my faves from S3 "Incident of the Buffalo Soldier" what a fantastic show, I've heard Clint Does'nt think much of the character Rowdy yates and his time on Rawhide and I cannot see why. He's called Rowdy a "Dim Bulb" maybe his memory is foggy and he thinks he played Mushy the cook's louse. Rowdy was far from a Dim bulb. Eastwood's acting in Buffalo Soldier is fantastic, you can clearly see the movie star he is today, and the story for the time tackled the difficult issues of race, it was typical for this fantastic western, I hope CBS gets to restoring the final 5 Seasons soon.
3/18/09 at 3:08pm
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I completely agree with you, on both counts; that is an excellent episode, and Eastwood seriously underrates his performance. Or maybe more so, the character he plays (as I recall he referred to Rowdy as "the idiot of the plains" or something like that). We've found his performances subtle, carefully nuanced, and surprisingly naturalistic for the time. It's also nice to see him playing a vulnerable character--maybe for the last time after he donned the serape?
3/19/09 at 9:17am
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I finished "Rawhide" S3 vol. 2 a couple weeks ago and the it amazes me how consistenly well scripted the first three season episodes are. Like Gary, S1 was essentially a blind buy and it quickly became a firm favorite within the western genre, nearly (but not quite) overtaking my childhood favorite, "The Rifleman".As for Eastwood, I have a feeling that the bad blood between him and Fleming is what led to his disparaging views on Rowdy Yates. The two nearly came to blows on at least one occasion when it became known that Fleming's patience was wearing very thin over Eastwood's lesser talent for memorizing lines. Certainly his character appears to be the impulsive, naive and overly eager ramrod in S1 (hence his "idiot of the plains" comment) but by S2 his character gets fleshed out rather nicely and Eastwood did a superb job in my estimation. To me, he worked harder at his craft in this show than he did making the Leone westerns or some of later bad films co-starring rodent-faced Sondra Locke.
3/19/09 at 11:11pm
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Re: Rawhide - Stalled/Abandoned?
If anyone gets to see the last season of Rawhide, Eastwood acts a little like the Man with No Name. In fact, the new animated opening contains a rough sketch of him with one of the stogies from the Leone films in his mouth, something he never really smoked on Rawhide.
3/20/09 at 7:06am
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I wonder if that was producer Ben Brady's idea of exploiting the budding Italian western popularity. I understand he did much to change the look and feel of the series that it bared little resemblance to the Charles Marquis Warren days. With the loss of several of the regulars (Fleming, Wooley and Murdock) and the introduction of three new characters I guess it couldn't help but depart rather dramatically from seasons 1-3.
Taking a glance at what is probably the best "Rawhide" fan site, starting with S5 the openings went from depicting a trail map, then silhouettes of the major stars, bronze statues and finally in S8, sketches. That's alot of opening title changes. Interesting too, how "Incident" returns in the episode titles but for S5 and S6 only.
I hope that in one way or another I get to see all 217 episodes, even if the remainder are only available as downloads. And as shaky as things are for future DVD releases, I wish now the series had just been released as a complete set.
3/20/09 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by michael_ks
I hope that in one way or another I get to see all 217 episodes, even if the remainder are only available as downloads. And as shaky as things are for future DVD releases, I wish now the series had just been released as a complete set.
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Amen to all that, Michael. I'd really rather not have to resort to watching on my computer via downloads, but if that's the only way then so be it. Like you, I wish the show somehow would have been released as one massive set (ala "Get Smart" or "Man from UNCLE").
Gary "CBS/P may have some great titles on the horizon (based on the Syndication Bible updates) but this one stalling out really, really hurts" O.
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6/5/09 at 8:11am
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Any news on season 4?Steve Pickard
6/5/09 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by Stephen PI
Any news on season 4?
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Absolutely none, and if the CBS Syndication Bible is any indicator (and we all know it is) then Season 4 isn't coming for a long, long time.
Gary "since no transfer work is being done on Season 4 yet, I'm pretty sure we won't see anything before 2010 at the earliest" O.
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6/5/09 at 10:14am
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Thanks, Gary.Steve Pickard
6/5/09 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by Stephen PI
Thanks, Gary.
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It's not the answer I wanted to give, but it is the truthful one. Right now the show is clearly stalled out.
Gary "all we can do is hope CBS/P starts it up again sometime in the not to distant future" O.
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6/9/09 at 7:11am
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Does this listing on Amazon give us any reason to expect a S4 release?http://www.amazon.com/Rawhide-Season...4556254&sr=1-9
The Syndication Bible does not reflect that S4 has been remastered, though--correct? But when I see an ASIN number on Amazon for S4 v.1, I can't help but develop a ray of hope.
6/9/09 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by michael_ks
Does this listing on Amazon give us any reason to expect a S4 release?
Amazon.com: Rawhide - Season Four, Vol. 1: Movies & TV The Syndication Bible does not reflect that S4 has been remastered, though--correct? But when I see an ASIN number on Amazon for S4 v.1, I can't help but develop a ray of hope. |
No one would be more thrilled than me if that listing meant we were looking at a release in the near future. But everything I see and hear tells me it's not coming any time soon. Of course studios can always change their mind, and maybe they have in this instance. As I said, I'd be more thrilled than anyone if this was the case. I'm just not holding my breath.
Gary "since this business has so many twists and turns in it, I guess we should never say never" O.
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6/9/09 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by Gary OS
No one would be more thrilled than me if that listing meant we were looking at a release in the near future. But everything I see and hear tells me it's not coming any time soon. Of course studios can always change their mind, and maybe they have in this instance. As I said, I'd be more thrilled than anyone if this was the case. I'm just not holding my breath.
Gary "since this business has so many twists and turns in it, I guess we should never say never" O. |
Well, here's a question for you, Gary: Could CBS be using sales of first season Bonanza as a barometer for the marker to see if it would support another season of a Western like Rawhide? I know the idea may not make much sense to people since it's two totally different shows, but a similar train of thought is going on with the sales of a new season of Knot's Landing justifying the release of Falcon Crest on DVD.
Just wondering.
So much TV...
So little money!
6/9/09 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by MattPeriolat
Well, here's a question for you, Gary: Could CBS be using sales of first season Bonanza as a barometer for the marker to see if it would support another season of a Western like Rawhide? I know the idea may not make much sense to people since it's two totally different shows, but a similar train of thought is going on with the sales of a new season of Knot's Landing justifying the release of Falcon Crest on DVD.
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I have no idea, Matt. Attempting to figure out what goes on in their minds is a fruitless and maddening task, so I gave up trying a long while ago.
It seems to me that BONANZA and RAWHIDE are two completely different types of westerns, but that's just me. Not sure what they could learn from subbing one for the other.
Gary "I really hope Michael's find means something positive for this series" O.
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6/9/09 at 11:52am
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Re: Rawhide - Stalled/Abandoned?
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Originally Posted by Gary OS
I have no idea, Matt. Attempting to figure out what goes on in their minds is a fruitless and maddening task, so I gave up trying a long while ago.
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That says it all. Both of us hope that we'll see more Rawhide but there's no way to tell for now.
Better luck knowing the size of the Universe than predicting TV/DVD's.
Jeff "Rollin', rollin', rollin'.... though sales are all un-knowin', keep them sets 'a-comin', Rawhide" W.
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6/10/09 at 12:18pm
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I'm going to go to Amazon and sign up for this notification about Season 4, Volume 1. It can't hurt and maybe CBS/Paramount will look at the results and make a determination about future volumes based on this. I have a better feeling about the possibility of more sets than I did yesterday.Gary "thanks again to Michael for pointing this out" O.
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6/11/09 at 3:53am
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I signed up for the Amazon notification. Can't hurt."Checkmate King Two Out" Jeff Willis "Combat! A Selmur Production"
I'm a 50's - mid-90's TV/DVD Collector. One DVD show since '96: Firefly
The Fugitive/See Hollywood & Die: [Miles] "What, you think I'm crazy?!" [Kimble] "Next question."
6/11/09 at 9:58am
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Agree, Jeff. Like you and Gary I want this series to succeed on DVD so bad I'm willing to try anything, so I signed up as well. I really want those Endre Boehm years (S4-5) at least, which apparently are still very much like the first three seasons, even if there are a higher percentage of clunkers.
No matter what, "Rawhide" from S3 on still features a great cast, superb guest stars from that era, and of course those tranquil, gorgeous vistas.
6/11/09 at 6:57pm
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Everyone wrote off Have Gun Will Travel when we went over 3 years without a release. But now it's looking like they are ready to continue with it. And Mad About You went 4 years between releases. Happy Days had a 32 month gap. The only thing sure with this TV on DVD stuff is that nothing is for sure.BTW, I don't know the show that well. Up until when would you say the show stayed at a high level?
6/11/09 at 7:21pm
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Just added myself to the Amazon notification. And thanks for the alert on that. I'll have wife do likewise--she's a big fan also.Hadn't heard about HGWT. That's quite a surprise, and a good one. Here's hopin'.
My feeling on RAWHIDE's later seasons is 4/5 are pretty terrific (from what I've seen), and though I've seen less of the remaining ones, there's certainly enough good eps for them to be worthwhile. With the high quality control overall, talent involved, even weaker seasons of this series are like must-sees today. My two cents.
6/11/09 at 8:04pm
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I'm in for all 8 seasons if they want to sell them to me..
6/11/09 at 8:22pm
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Re: Rawhide - Stalled/Abandoned?
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Originally Posted by Gary OS
My feelings are extremely well known here concerning this issue so I'll simply say I completely agree with Chris and Bob. The output for b&w releases in particular is seriously down and I don't see a turnabout anywhere on the horizon. And as you've both astutely pointed out, every day that passes simply diminishes the potential buying audience for these series as people grow old and die. Except in very, very rare instances most younger people haven't been exposed to these b&w classics and frankly couldn't care less about them. The iron has been hot (up until the recent economic downturn) and that was the time to make hay, so to speak, in releasing vintage material. Much was released and I'm very glad for that. But it looks like those golden days are over and I'm very pessimistic about the future of vintage, b&w TV on DVD. Very pessimistic.
Gary "someone convince me otherwise - please!" O. |
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More glum news !
The loss of 'Rawhide' 'The Untouchables' & probably 'Gunsmoke' after S3 V2 looks like CBS are ditching all their old classic line-up. I wonder about 'Perry Mason' also. Interesting they all seem to be half-season sets ! There is clearly an inbuilt resistance to them with consumers feeling 'ripped off'. Just troll through the reviews on Amazon for confirmation. I doubt they will ever be revived as time moves ever further away & the age profile of the audience most likely to purchase them declines year by year. For the first time in a number of years I don't have any items on my buying horizon.Classic TV on DVD is dying a rather quick death I fear. |
Ever consider watching some new TV programs on DVD, instead of watching the same ones that you already saw a billion times? Might want to consider it.
6/11/09 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by Sky Captain
Ever consider watching some new TV programs on DVD, instead of watching the same ones that you already saw a billion times? Might want to consider it.
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I'll answer this first, although I'm sure they'll be quite a few folks wanting to jump on this.
Rawhide - except for a few episodes I saw when I was visiting a friend in Florida 25 years ago, I've never seen the show.
The Untouchables - haven't seen them in about 35 years.
Have Gun Will Travel - never really seen the show
The Fugitive - watched them last when they ran on A&E about 15 years ago and I find that there are many of them which I don't remember at all.
Naked City - saw them all once, over 20 years ago.
Hawaii Five-O - watched it on and off on CBS, not since. So what episodes I did see, it was 30-40 years ago.
The Invaders - never really watched it.
Mod Squad - haven't seen them in 35 years.
About the only shows in my collection that I have seen so many times that I know them very well are The Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, Honeymooners and Man From UNCLE. There are many old shows in my collection that I've never seen even once. As NBC used to say, if you haven't seen it, it's new to you. And I'd rather watch almost anything from the 50s and 60s than now.
6/11/09 at 9:03pm
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Re: Rawhide - Stalled/Abandoned?
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Originally Posted by Sky Captain
Ever consider watching some new TV programs on DVD, instead of watching the same ones that you already saw a billion times? Might want to consider it.
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First of all, this is a thread about RAWHIDE. It would only be natural that the people participating in this thread are interested in this show. Therefore it should come as no shock if posters here aren't as interested in talking about or watching new shows.
Secondly, it's a big assumption to think we've all seen these episodes a billion times. The fact is many of these older series have not been seen in syndication for many years, and sometimes for more than a decade. Therefore, going back to point one, for some folks watching these on dvd is like watching them for the first time, not the billionth time.
Gary "I see that Neil has made great points concerning this as well" O.
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6/11/09 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by Carabimero
I'd also write Paramount Home Entertainment in Hollywood.
5555 Melrose Ave Hollywood Ca 90038 (I did that address from memory so you might wanna check the zip) |
With the CBS/Paramount split sometime ago, PHE no longer handles any of the CBS Television Properties - it's all though CBS now.
6/12/09 at 7:00am
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You know guys, the Cap'n may have a point. Ten to the ninth power X 52 min X 84 episodes is an awful lot of viewing--and that's just for S1-3 of "Rawhide".
Are you sure we're not neglecting our families?
