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now it seems clear how they'll have enough material for part I of deathly hallows. The story of the founder's horcruxes in part 1 (i'm presuming that harry gets the memories in dumbledore's will as well, or that hermione got those along with the horcrux books), and the story of the three brothers in part 2.

What the hell happened to the cloak in film six? It's of huge importance and the filmmakers almost never used it? did Harry leave it on the hogwarts express? did Luna take it? frustrating.
Given the different choices made for the ending, I didn't see much point to using it after the train scene. There were no moments that leaped out at me and said: "that would have made more sense if Harry was under the invisibility cloak!"

If Harry had been under the Invisiblity Cloak for Dumbledore's death scene, as in the book, Harry's moment with Snape would not have been possible. And Harry finally granting Snape his trust and seemingly be stabbed in the back for it, should pay off gangbusters in Deathly Hallows Part II.
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The tent rears its ugly head!

Wonder how they will handle those sequences in the movie?  All the time reading that section in the book - FILLER - kept playing in my head.  Easily could be cut down in length. Thankfully, the very nature of cinematic adaptation will have this compression occur naturally.

It is very exciting that Rowling really crafted an awesome third act which allowed the series to end on a high note.
Yates has described the first film (since the book is being split into two movies) as basicly a road trip movie. It goes from:


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The Weasley Wedding at the beginning through to when the Trio is taken by the Snatchers, ending on a cliffhanger un route to Malfoy Manor.
That implies that were going to have plenty of time sitting around talking in tents in the first film. I think this stretch will be inherently more interesting than it was in the book, however, because it provides the filmmakers the opportunity to really showcase what remains of the British Wilderness. After six films largely couped up in one setting, it'll be nice to see a rapidly changing set of scenery.
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One word: montage.
 

Sure hope so!

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I have not read the books.  And after seeing HBP last night in the theater.  I was able to figure out who took the Horcruxes.  Just had a question about who will be playing that character?
 



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Does anyone know who will be playing Regulus Black in the next movie?  IMDB doesn't show anyone yet.  Thanks!


Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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QUOTE: "That implies that were going to have plenty of time sitting around talking in tents in the first film. I think this stretch will be inherently more interesting than it was in the book, however, because it provides the filmmakers the opportunity to really showcase what remains of the British Wilderness. After six films largely couped up in one setting, it'll be nice to see a rapidly changing set of scenery."


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I seriously doubt that, the lack of memories indicates the trio is going to be actively hunting the remaining horcruxes rather than just learning about them in memory, for example: [spoiler]rather than learning about the hufflepuff cup in a memory, I think they'll be doing active detective work after being given a start by dumbledore's collected memory and that leads them to bella (perhaps they find and question the old lady's house elf themselves?) then they find out at the start of part 2 that bella put it in her Gringotts vault.  You can also tell the story of the ravenclaw diadem in this part, again, begin with a dumbledore memory and then bulid on it, giving them a chance to investigate it.  So rather than them feeling helpless and having nothing to do that isn't locket related in the first book you combine the stories and hunt for those three horcruxes and make the hunt for them more active and investigatory.  part of the problem of their frustrated passivity in book seven was that dumbledore had already given Harry all the information/memories he really had in book six.  We haven't been given that info in the movies yet,  but it will be necessary to learn it.  Have them learn something about Nagini as well (or cut Nagini as a horcrux and have six horcruxes (seven parts of soul) rather than seven horcruxes (eight parts of soul) as in the book).  Cutting Nagini may be in the cards, did you note how Riddle said, "six or seven horcruxes?" in the movie version of his scene with Slughorn?  The dialog is substantially different then how the book treats that scene.

The other big subplot is dumbledore's back story which is most relevant to the tale of the three brothers. I would juggle learning the tale of the three brothers to the beginning of part II when they are imprisoned, have the tale come from Ollivander and Hermione, and have Hermione yanked at a major point of the story.  Deal with her torture, the breakout and if necessary get the rest of the story later from Lovegood or Hermione or whatever.  (or Lovegood can be imprisoned in Malfoy manner as well).  Additionally, having dumbledore's backstory come from Skeeter's articles and books is passive and annoying, better to get snatches  of it from people who knew him that the trio runs into during their quest (perhaps having Harry collect memories so we can SEE some of this backstory, and establish a nice little grace note of Harry stepping into Dumbledore's shoes in the task of collecting memories, only this time he's collecting memories about Dumbledore--the greatest 'good' wizard--rather than the greatest evil wizard.  It's a solid dramatic parallel and makes things more cinematic and the trio more actively engaged with the essential stories of the three  brothers and of dumbledore's past and connection to the deathly hallows. [/spoiler]
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This thread has made me want to go back and read the series for the 3rd time. Finally catching HBP this weekend
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I have not read the books.  And after seeing HBP last night in the theater.  I was able to figure out who took the Horcruxes.  Just had a question about who will be playing that character?
 


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Does anyone know who will be playing Regulus Black in the next movie?  IMDB doesn't show anyone yet.  Thanks!

Well, without giving anything away, that character was seen as a photo on Slughorn's desk in the Half-Blood Prince movie, so presumably whoever played him for the moving photograph will also play him in the next movie. His role, while crucial, is small so there's no need for a "name" actor.
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QUOTE: "That implies that were going to have plenty of time sitting around talking in tents in the first film. I think this stretch will be inherently more interesting than it was in the book, however, because it provides the filmmakers the opportunity to really showcase what remains of the British Wilderness. After six films largely couped up in one setting, it'll be nice to see a rapidly changing set of scenery."


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I seriously doubt that, the lack of memories indicates the trio is going to be actively hunting the remaining horcruxes rather than just learning about them in memory, for example: [spoiler]rather than learning about the hufflepuff cup in a memory, I think they'll be doing active detective work after being given a start by dumbledore's collected memory and that leads them to bella (perhaps they find and question the old lady's house elf themselves?) then they find out at the start of part 2 that bella put it in her Gringotts vault.  You can also tell the story of the ravenclaw diadem in this part, again, begin with a dumbledore memory and then bulid on it, giving them a chance to investigate it.  So rather than them feeling helpless and having nothing to do that isn't locket related in the first book you combine the stories and hunt for those three horcruxes and make the hunt for them more active and investigatory.  part of the problem of their frustrated passivity in book seven was that dumbledore had already given Harry all the information/memories he really had in book six.  We haven't been given that info in the movies yet,  but it will be necessary to learn it.  Have them learn something about Nagini as well (or cut Nagini as a horcrux and have six horcruxes (seven parts of soul) rather than seven horcruxes (eight parts of soul) as in the book).  Cutting Nagini may be in the cards, did you note how Riddle said, "six or seven horcruxes?" in the movie version of his scene with Slughorn?  The dialog is substantially different then how the book treats that scene.

The other big subplot is dumbledore's back story which is most relevant to the tale of the three brothers. I would juggle learning the tale of the three brothers to the beginning of part II when they are imprisoned, have the tale come from Ollivander and Hermione, and have Hermione yanked at a major point of the story.  Deal with her torture, the breakout and if necessary get the rest of the story later from Lovegood or Hermione or whatever.  (or Lovegood can be imprisoned in Malfoy manner as well).  Additionally, having dumbledore's backstory come from Skeeter's articles and books is passive and annoying, better to get snatches  of it from people who knew him that the trio runs into during their quest (perhaps having Harry collect memories so we can SEE some of this backstory, and establish a nice little grace note of Harry stepping into Dumbledore's shoes in the task of collecting memories, only this time he's collecting memories about Dumbledore--the greatest 'good' wizard--rather than the greatest evil wizard.  It's a solid dramatic parallel and makes things more cinematic and the trio more actively engaged with the essential stories of the three  brothers and of dumbledore's past and connection to the deathly hallows. [/spoiler]
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I hear you on the software. When I'm quoting other members, I like to split up their posts and address each point as they come. I did this for the HBP discussion thread, but it was a long and tedious process. I think you're definitely right about using some of the extra time to fill-in the back story that was left out of HBP (and correctly so in my opinion). I know the Hallows themselves will be handled similarly to the book. Bill Nighy, who's about to shoot his role as Minister of Magic Rufus Scrimgeour in the Deathly Hallows, described his biggest scene:


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"Well, there's one where he comes and delivers Dumbledore's [Michael Gambon] legacy to the three children," Nighy replied, referring to Harry, Hermione (Emma Watson) and Ron (Rupert Grint, with whom Nighy worked on the upcoming action-comedy Wild Target). "He gives them all of the things that Dumbledore has left them, and that's when it's first indicated that he may not be around for much longer. So it's quite an affecting scene."

So a key change from the book is that when Scrimgeour gives the Trio Dumbledore's gifts, he's not still desperately trying to save his political future; instead, he knows his death is iminient and is basically doing the only thing he can to give the good guys a shot. A less complex but also less disillusioning take on the character.
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This thread has made me want to go back and read the series for the 3rd time. Finally catching HBP this weekend

I intentionally avoided going back and re-reading the sixth novel before the movie because I wanted to experience the movie on its own terms, free of the direct comparisons that would result from having it fresh in my mind. That being said, I'm going to dive into the seventh book tomorrow night so I can complete the story in my head.

In other news, Nicholas Hooper has confirmed he will NOT be back to score Deathly Hallows, citing a desire to spend more time with his family. Together with John Williams's comment that he'd like to finish what he started and David Heyman stating that they're actively trying to get him back, and it looks like there's a good shot we'll get another Harry Potter score from John Williams.
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I'd like to see the story of Ravenclaw's diadem expanded or changed in the movie.  What I'd do is have the trio encounter a somewhat cured Gilderoy Lockhart and have him connected to the diadem. for instance, Lockhart's only real 'adventure' was when he tried to track down the diadem?  from the trio encountering Lockhart and perhaps getting a memory of his, they get a clue that leads them to the next step and then they figure out where it may be hidden by connecting it to dumbledore's memory of Riddle.

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I did not watch these two parts. But I want to watch it. but where?
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Hardy, this is the next in the series after Half-Blood Prince, but split into 2 parts. You'll have to wait until 2010/2011.
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As I mentioned earlier.  I have never read the books. But, seen the movies.  This way I am not upset by things missing.  But, I cannot wait another year and a half for the conclusion. So I have been listening to the book on tape while in the car, working out or sitting on the beach.  And I trying to figure how they will get over 25 hrs of story into 5hrs?  Yes, I know a lot of the story is explainations of surroundings and movements.  But, it will be interesting to see what is and what isn't in the story.

I am just at the part of the book where..


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 Where they escape Voldemort in Godrick's Hollow and Harry finds out his wand is broke. The way things are going.  It feels like Empire Strikes Back.  Where at every turn the good guys are getting whooped.


Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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