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Even though Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince doesn't hit theaters until this summer, news for the final installment is coming fast and furious. Filming starts this month, and it has been announced that Eduardo Serra (What Dreams May Come, Unbreakable, Girl with a Pearl Earring) will be the cinematographer:


I got to say, I'm a lot less excited by his pick than I was when Bruno Delbonnel was announced.
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can't wait

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Eduardo Serra is a damn good DP. At least Yates is good at picking them.

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Eduardo Serra is a damn good DP. At least Yates is good at picking them.
And then he gets them to turn in murky, swamp-colored messes. I figured if anyone could turn in genuinely colorful photography, it'd be Bruno Delbonnel -- responsible for some of the most vibrant, saturated cinematography in recent memory. Maybe he did, but judging by the trailers it's all been drained out in post to a Black, yellow, white monochrome. With the exception of What Dreams May Come, a lot of Serra's cinematography already leans in this direction.
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I recall years ago when the movies were first starting and the "kids" were first cast and were literally about the same age as the characters were in the first book, since the movies wouldn't be shot quite as fast as one a year, there was concern that they might age a bit too fast, and look too old in the final movie(s).

Can I just say, I think it's actually worked out really well. You literally see Harry Potter as boy in the first movie, but by now he's unmistakably grown up, as have his friends.
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I recall years ago when the movies were first starting and the "kids" were first cast and were literally about the same age as the characters were in the first book, since the movies wouldn't be shot quite as fast as one a year, there was concern that they might age a bit too fast, and look too old in the final movie(s).

I remember those concerns that some people had back in the day, and I thought they were ridiculous - I'm glad time proved me right on this one. In the first film, the characters are supposed to be what, 11? They were roughly that age, maybe a tiny bit older when they made the first film. I figured it would take about ten years to do all of the books, and I for one don't see anything out of the ordinary with 21 year olds playing 18. Happens all the time. People that were worried about the age thing, in my opinion, seem to have not really thought it out fully.
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First photos from Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows:


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Harry and Hermione on the run after Ron abandons their mission and goes home. If done right, this movie will have a lot of tent scenes, which provide a unique ability to convey the passage of time through the scenery. The only movie thus far that has done a decent job of that was Prisoner of Azkaban with the Whomping Willow.



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Harry, Ron and Hermione find themselves fugitives on the run in London after the Ministry of Magic falls. This shot reminds me a lot of the recent Summit Entertainment thriller Push, in a good way.



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Harry, Ron and Hermione are chased through London after the Ministry of Magic falls during Bill's wedding. At this point, they still haven't had a chance to change. (And man, in heels Emma Watson towers over poor Dan).
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As soon as I saw the first picture, I wanted to read the book again. Somehow, it's the tent that gets me.

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I am officially stoked to read the books again for the umpteeth time

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About one of the photos....


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I'm kinda surprised they're still doing Bill's wedding if that blurb is accurate. We've haven't really seen the character before (except for maybe a photo in POA).

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And man, in heels Emma Watson towers over poor Dan.

Perhaps the only 'unfortunate' thing about casting Radcliffe all those years ago, is that the poor guy hasn't grown very tall...

Rupert now towers over him, and didn't I read that even the girl playing Ginnie is taller than him?
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Emma Watson is more in the foreground which may let her seem taller than she is. In the other 2 pictures she does not seem to be much taller than Radcliffe. Anyway, size doesn´t matter, right?
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As soon as I saw the first picture, I wanted to read the book again. Somehow, it's the tent that gets me.

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In this month's Empire (which features a great photo of the trio taken at Leavesden), Dan Radcliffe says: "This is a road movie, particularly in Part One of the film. That seems to have really freshened things up, and hopefully will get people seeing the films with fresh eyes again, because it is just a totally different look when you're not just sat in the same room the whole time."

The early onslaught of photos is in part a reflection of the fact that this story requires a good deal more location shooting than the very Hogwarts-extensive earlier films. That has me kind of excited that we're going to see something different.
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I'm kinda surprised they're still doing Bill's wedding if that blurb is accurate. We've haven't really seen the character before (except for maybe a photo in POA).

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But we spent most of the fourth movie with his bride. (Clémence Poésy is rumored, I believe, to be returning).

If they were making Deathly Hallows into one jampacked movie, I think the wedding definitely would have been on the chopping block. But with over 240 minutes to kill, they don't really have to leave anything out of this one.

The thing you get from the wedding, even if it doesn't have the same impact it had in the book, is the jarring nature of the attack. Things go from serene frivolity with an undercurrent of unease to scarier and more dangerous than they've ever been before. I love the conspicuousness of the trio in their dress clothes on the streets of London. It really hammers home their vulnerability.
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Perhaps the only 'unfortunate' thing about casting Radcliffe all those years ago, is that the poor guy hasn't grown very tall...

Rupert now towers over him, and didn't I read that even the girl playing Ginnie is taller than him?
Yeah, I think Bonnie Wright (who plays Ginny Weasley) is a hair taller than him -- but you only really notice it when she's in heels. I kind of like that about the casting though, which gets back to the idea from the very first book: that this shrimpy little kid with knobby joints and broken glasses could be the one to save the world. I kind of like that Dan isn't our collective idea of an action hero. One of the few mistakes of the book, in my opinion, was that Rowling tried to make Harry look the part more in the last couple books.
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Emma Watson is more in the foreground which may let her seem taller than she is. In the other 2 pictures she does not seem to be much taller than Radcliffe. Anyway, size doesn´t matter, right?
She's wearing heels in the third picture, which is what accounts for the difference:

They're probably about the same height in real life, with Rupert being noticably taller. It matters only in regards to our cinematic expectations of taller male action hero, shorter sidekick and female cohorts. And for the reasons I've noted, subverting those expectations can be as rewarding as validating them.
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Looking forward to the last 3 films.

Emma looks stunning in that dress.
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I think the size difference turns out to be a great benefit. Early in the book series, Harry was described as a scrawny, wiry kid. Talk about whether or not being kept basically in a box below the stairs at his house hjelped keep him small.

I think it fits in with his mythos that it isn't that he's some giant superhero stature, but a "good kid" who does the right thing as his standing as a hero..
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But we spent most of the fourth movie with his bride. (Clémence Poésy is rumored, I believe, to be returning).

If they were making Deathly Hallows into one jampacked movie, I think the wedding definitely would have been on the chopping block. But with over 240 minutes to kill, they don't really have to leave anything out of this one.

The thing you get from the wedding, even if it doesn't have the same impact it had in the book, is the jarring nature of the attack. Things go from serene frivolity with an undercurrent of unease to scarier and more dangerous than they've ever been before. I love the conspicuousness of the trio in their dress clothes on the streets of London. It really hammers home their vulnerability.

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I like the wedding and don't have a problem with it being in the movie. But Fleur's role in GoF was cut back pretty significantly. Don't know if it'll have the same impact, especially if the whole thing isn't set up in the HBP movie. Maybe what's jarring is just how closely they're following the book. Makes you wish they'd shot all those extra scenes from the others to begin with for some sort of extended edition.

What about all the other subplots that were never introduced in the movies that might make it into the final movies. Will Lupin and Tonks suddenly be together?

Additionally, I was assuming that they were swapping out the wedding for Dumbledore's funeral (which I think you may have suggested as a possibility at one point and which sounded like a decent change to me). But now if they've cut the funeral from HBP, will we be seeing it at all?

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Half-Blood Prince is one of the weakest books in the series, like a filler and its only purpose was to give us a few unnecessary details about Voldemort's background and set-up the Horcrux business which oddly enough hadn't even been hinted at previously - but it makes you want to skip the sixth movie and go straight on to The Deathly Hallows which has a much better, more engaging, more enthralling story.
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Half-Blood Prince is one of the weakest books in the series, like a filler and its only purpose was to give us a few unnecessary details about Voldemort's background and set-up the Horcrux business which oddly enough hadn't even been hinted at previously - but it makes you want to skip the sixth movie and go straight on to The Deathly Hallows which has a much better, more engaging, more enthralling story.


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The diary in Chamber of Secrets is a horcrux, she just didn't explain the details back then. IIRC, the book tells us Voldemort figured out how to transfer himself into the book.

I disagree that HBP's only purpose is to fill in the details of Voldemort's life. It sets up DH and lays the groundwork for defeating him.

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The 6th book is actually my favorite. It's the only one I've read 3 times. Go figure.
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Maybe what's jarring is just how closely they're following the book. Makes you wish they'd shot all those extra scenes from the others to begin with for some sort of extended edition.
Absolutely. Most of the key things they've left out would have been cheap to shoot on existing sets, and wouldn't have eaten up very much additional screen time. Two examples from the last film, OOTP: having the complete flashback for Snape's Worst Memory (a scene is crucial to understanding his character in the last two books) and the fireplace scene with Kreacher. Not only would keeping the fireplace scene plug a plothole in the movie, it would have made Kreacher's role more dynamic in the HBP movie. As it stands, the glorified cameo felt disconnected from the rest of the film and served no real purpose.
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What about all the other subplots that were never introduced in the movies that might make it into the final movies. Will Lupin and Tonks suddenly be together?

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Apparently Lupin and Tonks are just shown as being together in the HBP movie, with no great crisis in between.
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Additionally, I was assuming that they were swapping out the wedding for Dumbledore's funeral (which I think you may have suggested as a possibility at one point and which sounded like a decent change to me). But now if they've cut the funeral from HBP, will we be seeing it at all?
Good question.
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If Emma weren't wearing a bright red dress in those set pics, I'd definitely still be on board the funeral substitution theory. Were that the case, however, I think she'd have been wearing something black and mournful. There have been shots in the HBP trailers that suggest scenes not mentioned in the test screening reports, so it's possible that Dumbledore's funeral has been added later. But knowing Yates, I doubt it.
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Half-Blood Prince is one of the weakest books in the series, like a filler and its only purpose was to give us a few unnecessary details about Voldemort's background and set-up the Horcrux business which oddly enough hadn't even been hinted at previously - but it makes you want to skip the sixth movie and go straight on to The Deathly Hallows which has a much better, more engaging, more enthralling story.
If the sixth book didn't exist, the final story would have felt like a huge cheat. It put together all of the pieces that have been carefully scattered throughout the earlier books, so everyone knew what was to come in the seventh story. It has the least texture of the seven books, a consequence of Rowling's focus on brevity after the criticisms of OOTP, but my opinion of it has improved greatly over time. OOTP would have been a hard one to get right, even if Yates and Goldenberg hadn't made some very disappointing decisions. HBP is a very straightforward story, broken up by very cinematic flashbacks. If Yates screws that one up, I think I'll throw in the towel on the two DH films.
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I too was a big fan of the 6th book. I felt like the 5th was all filler on first go, though it clearly isn't now. It is (oddly enough) the longest on the seven books, and the one that could use the most trimming. But it is a very important part of the tapestry.

It is weird to be talking about the 7th movie (either half) until I've seen the 6th. So I'll abstain on the theories from myself until I've seen the films. I'd rather the movies were faithful to previous films moreso than the source books. I know that is an odd distinction to make, but the movies should stand on their own for the most part, with some treats here and there for book fans. They haven't deviated too far afield in the films anyway, so that should not be a tall order. But if they have to make a choice...choose previous films to be consistent with.

I hope the film ends the series as strong as the book did.
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I wouldn't have minded a little more consistency as well, especially when it comes to design elements like the dementors, the look of Padfoot. Some story type consistency would also be appreciated. It feels like they've completely forgotten about some aspects of the previous movies in a rush to get the bare essentials to the screen in a decent running time.

The impression I got after OOTP, was they're almost like James Bond films. They're just product that Warners churns out because it almost has to. A serviceable script is written, a workman-like director is hired, the actors show up, a movie is made and everyone gets paid. With the last one, they lost whatever made these movies feel special and magical. I'm encouraged by the footage we've all seen from HBP and I'm hopeful that in these last few, they'll recapture some of that magic that made this world so charming in the first place.

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I'm kinda surprised they're still doing Bill's wedding if that blurb is accurate. We've haven't really seen the character before (except for maybe a photo in POA).

Follow-up confirmation on this point. Casting news:
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"30 x crowd for dance rehearsals 10:00 - 12:00 in car park 5 for the Weasley Wedding"


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Interesting. I read recently that Brendan Gleeson's son will be playing Bill. Oddly, he looks more like David Thewlis. :)

In other casting news, looks like Bill Nighy will be in the movies, probably as Scrimgeour. Ciaran Hinds is also rumored for Aberforth.

Also, Emma Thompson won't be returning.


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It will interesting to see if the Harry Potter bandwagon is still capable of attracting huge audiences, it's been two years since the fifth movie and more importantly two years since the final novel, will audiences feel they know the ending and going to a dramatisation of book 6 would be old hat ?    
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It will interesting to see if the Harry Potter bandwagon is still capable of attracting huge audiences, it's been two years since the fifth movie and more importantly two years since the final novel, will audiences feel they know the ending and going to a dramatisation of book 6 would be old hat ?    

I have no doubt that it's going to be one of the biggest movies of the year (probably behind Transformers 2 and maybe Avatar and Up).
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now it seems clear how they'll have enough material for part I of deathly hallows. The story of the founder's horcruxes in part 1 (i'm presuming that harry gets the memories in dumbledore's will as well, or that hermione got those along with the horcrux books), and the story of the three brothers in part 2.

What the hell happened to the cloak in film six? It's of huge importance and the filmmakers almost never used it? did Harry leave it on the hogwarts express? did Luna take it? frustrating.
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The tent rears its ugly head!

Wonder how they will handle those sequences in the movie?  All the time reading that section in the book - FILLER - kept playing in my head.  Easily could be cut down in length. Thankfully, the very nature of cinematic adaptation will have this compression occur naturally.

It is very exciting that Rowling really crafted an awesome third act which allowed the series to end on a high note.

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The tent rears its ugly head!

Wonder how they will handle those sequences in the movie? 
One word: montage.


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