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3/10/09 at 10:12am
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I find the letter thing interesting because its a total misnomer. The LDS Church has never changed its doctrinal position on polygamy - it has always been considered doctrinal that some polygamous marriages are divinely instituted (see: Jacob, Abraham, and so on for Biblical examples).

The question is not whether it's doctrinal, but rather if at a particular time it is being sanctioned by God. The Manifesto that ended the practice of polygamy in 1890 did not deny the doctrine, but only the continued practice.

So whether such a letter exists is a true red herring - it really doesn't matter from a doctrinal perspective.

Technically true for the LDS church. But, it would still be a PR nightmare for them because of the perceived double standard.

For the Hendricksen's it is still very much a symbol that their faith is justified by a greater body.

Of course, it's silly that either of those things would matter in the big picture. Faith should be faith without having to justify it to anyone or anything else.
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3/11/09 at 9:22am
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Re: Big Love season 3

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They could. The living arrangement for the Hendrickson's is technically illegal. However, there is no one complaining and the state typically does not act as plaintiff for such 'small fish'. They go after the big, problematic polygamists like Roman. People abusing it.

I doubt the DA would prosecute for polygamy. Obstruction of justice? Tampering? Conspiracy? Oh yeah, he likely would. Unfortunately for him, pretty much everyone saw him kiss Nikki. He would likely lose his job if he exposed the truth. So, once again, she may be safe...with the law. Not at all with Bill and the family.


Yes, in fact I've commented on this before. It is so ironic that most people, myself included, had always thought of Utah as a big polygamy state. Yet in their efforts to denounce and deny the practices from the Mormons, they have gone way overboard in the other direction, as I believe they are one of the few states that have laws that make it illegal to live as a married couple without the sanction of a legal marriage. We all know every state it is illegal to actually get married to more than one woman. But Utah goes a step further and states that with or without a legal marriage certificate, it is illegal to live as man and woman in anything beyond one man and one woman.
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3/15/09 at 9:56pm
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Re: Big Love season 3

Holy crap, the tension in this ep was great great stuff.
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3/16/09 at 1:42pm
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Yeah, I don't know how they do it, but one episode to the next, the level of conflict is unreal. This season has been particularly great. I don't think I have had one minute when I wasn't on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen next.

Any ideas on that last scene? I hope they start from that point, next week, and show us more of what Bill was seeing in the end at the barn.
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3/16/09 at 1:45pm
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Any ideas on that last scene? I hope they start from that point, next week, and show us more of what Bill was seeing in the end at the barn.

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3/17/09 at 10:15am
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Anybody care to explain what all the rabble was concerning with the LDS and this episode? Were we heathens not supposed to see what a Celestial room is? (Because, honestly, it looks a lot like an all-white version of several sitting rooms at the Palace of Versailles.)

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3/17/09 at 10:32am
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HBO’s Big Love To Show Mormon Temple Ceremony | Friendly Atheist by Hemant Mehta

It has become clear that this season has come up with a situation that is "Ripped from the Headlines". Discussing this with a friend last night, she pointed out the obvious. Alby IS Mark Hoffman. Mark Hoffman, as I referenced earlier in the thread, was the man who tried to blackmail the church selling them the "Salamander Letter" and similar documents.

Alby revealed this week he's sold numerous documents to the church, and managed to work his way all the way up to the president for his abiity to get the documents. It sounds far to familiar; Hoffman in the wings. I think we're in for a reveal where they find out Alby is forging these documents.
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3/22/09 at 11:33pm
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Bingo! I called it without any advance knowledge. Great ending to the season!
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3/23/09 at 1:26am
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Re: Big Love season 3

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Anybody care to explain what all the rabble was concerning with the LDS and this episode? Were we heathens not supposed to see what a Celestial room is? (Because, honestly, it looks a lot like an all-white version of several sitting rooms at the Palace of Versailles.)
The Celestial Room itself really isn't what the hubbub is about. It is essentially a room to sit and reflect in that represents heaven. It's importance comes from the ceremony participated in beforehand, which having not seen the episode, I'm unsure of how much they depicted.
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3/23/09 at 10:50pm
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They only depicted a slice of the ceremony, and it was relevant to the character.

I'm glad Bill FINALLY starts his own church. I thought that would have happened a couple seasons ago. He really pulled off a nice "Godfather" end there - tying up many loose ends. And coming out better off than he's been in a while.

It was time for Roman to go, and he passes well as a favorite, but completed, villain. I look forward to all our 'new' villains: his widow, Alby, and the truly new JJ.

And hooray for Margene! No, she won't get rich doing that crap (or maybe she will?), but she will make some money she has proven she's NOT just a little girl anymore. I'm glad she's not depressed. I was worried for a sec.

This has turned into a truly fine show. Solidly written and really well performed. I think HBO has signed 2 more seasons, so I'm looking forward to the further adventures.
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3/24/09 at 1:55pm
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If they're doing 2 more seasons, then I would sure like to know why they cut this one down to 10 episodes from the usual 12. (Which used to be 13 back in the early days of THE SOPRANOS and SIX FEET UNDER). If this keeps up we'll wind up with 3 episode seasons.
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3/24/09 at 5:18pm
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Maybe I missed her...but was Teeny present there at the end when Bill formed his church?
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3/24/09 at 6:13pm
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HBO says it is scheduling, as several of the actors had films in production and it was what they could get done; the same will be true next season, which is also slated for 10 eps.

Rather then lose some of the actors, they decided to shorten the season and work around it. This was especially true of the girl, who had four films last year (Mamma Mia, Travelling Pants 2, etc.)
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3/24/09 at 8:02pm
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I like how HBO thinks outside the box to make things happen rather than destroying the potential for good art trying to stick to antiquated models of doing business. With the Sopranos, as much as I missed the show during the long delays, I appreciated them giving Chase reasonable time to put together what he wanted to put together rather than saying, "Well if you can't deliver, forget it then." I'm quite happy with 10 good episodes per season rather than 12 or 13 of a show that loses its heart.

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3/25/09 at 1:30pm
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Re: Big Love season 3

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Maybe I missed her...but was Teeny present there at the end when Bill formed his church?

Good call. She WAS missing.
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3/25/09 at 1:49pm
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Re: Big Love season 3

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It's importance comes from the ceremony participated in beforehand, which having not seen the episode, I'm unsure of how much they depicted.
Basically they showed the "secret handshake" ceremony to enter the Celestial room. (I didn't think this rather mundane ritual was the big secret, but I guess it was.)

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3/26/09 at 7:25pm
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Re: Big Love season 3

This was a good season and really this last episode could have served as a series finale, I'm not sure what more they can really explore on the show.
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3/26/09 at 8:34pm
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Re: Big Love season 3

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This was a good season and really this last episode could have served as a series finale, I'm not sure what more they can really explore on the show.

I agree. Given the cat-n-mouse casino business issues with Ted are finally resolved, Nicki is back together with her daughter, the Hendrickson's church has been formed, Roman is not going to be around to start fighting with Alby... all the other loose ends seem unimportant really. Though, they could bring Hollis and Selma back in any capacity and I would be content; I just love those two characters. I have little interest in JJ and I am unsure Alby can carry two more seasons as the main villian.

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3/27/09 at 3:22am
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I'll miss Roman though. Although he was definitely a character you dislike, Harry Dean Stanton did a superb job bringing that character to life.
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3/27/09 at 9:50am
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Re: Big Love season 3

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This was a good season and really this last episode could have served as a series finale, I'm not sure what more they can really explore on the show.

I've always expected that the show will ultimately end with Bill being restored to his grandfather's role as the "true prophet" of the Juniper Creek compound. I bet we'll see Bill continue to struggle with life in the open, and realize that he can never truly make it work.

For me this show has continued to improve over it's three seasons, and considering that it's still on the upswing, in terms of well-executed storytelling, I'm glad to know it's been renewed for two more seasons.
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3/27/09 at 12:22pm
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In a way, this was the series finale. It was very much a finale to the last three seasons. The show started with the conflicts of Roman and the compound, being exposed and cast aside by LDS, and, of course, the insecurities of the characters.

Most of these issues have now been resolved. But, as with any show/story with solid characters, you can follow their lives and explore new conflicts and issues. Some of the things I'm looking forward to: how Bill goes about running his new church, how it will conflict with his businesses, how Nikki's daughter fits into the fold, how they handle Sarah's marriage, what will Ben do? go to BYU or follow his dad? What will Barb's part be in this new church? And, of course, I'm anxious to see how Margine's business venture turns out. And, new things can always pop up. Will Alby go to jail or be free? Will Roman's widow exert power? Is Selma headed to prison? And, what about Bill's brother (now a murderer) and his family?

Lots of new fun to be had!
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3/27/09 at 6:47pm
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Wouldn't it be the sh!t if somehow Roman actually lived. Maybe he was unconscious but not actually dead like Joey thought. Whew, what a hornet's nest that would stir up for next season.
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