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1/16/09 at 5:35am
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OK. I finally got my S550 but am having a little trouble with the audio. I have an older model Kenwood VR-4080 which does not have HDMI inputs, but does have my 5.1 analog inputs. So, I've got my HDMI going to my Sanyo PLV-Z700 for video. Fine. I ran my cables from the S550 multi channel audio out to the analog audio in on the receiver. However, when I try to set the audio levels on the S550, I only get sound from the front left and right speakers. Since that did not seem to work I hooked up my coax from the S550 to the receiver. All the speakers work but the receiver shows Pro Logic instead of Dolby Digital. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Could someone who has a similar situation help me get this figured out? Thanks!
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1/16/09 at 6:02am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

You are using the "Multi-Channel" mode, instead of "DVD" mode (on receiver), when watching a blu ray movie, right? If so, it's got to be an audio setting in the player's setup menus. I don't know the audio options of this player, in the menus, so I'd say to just try some other settings for audio output.
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1/16/09 at 8:44am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Are you getting this problem with standard DVD as well as Blu-ray? or just on Blu-ray?

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1/16/09 at 8:59am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

On both. I'm really at a loss and frustated at this point. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong.
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1/16/09 at 9:16am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

My father has the same player, and I had to tweak it over Christmas after he installed it.

Go into Audio Settings on the BDP-S550 and select Multi Channel Analog under Audio Output Priority.

Then you'll need to make sure all of the analog outputs are enabled by going into Speaker Settings. Make sure all of the speakers are set to either Large or Small for the speakers you have installed.

For example, for a 5.1 setup, Front, Center, and Surround should be set to either Large or Small, the Subwoofer set to Yes, and Surround Back would be set to None. When you're finished, run the Test Tone from the S550's Audio Settings to make sure your connections and setups are correct.

You may also need to perform similar instructions on your Kenwood receiver.

Hope this helped.

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1/20/09 at 7:18am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Gary,
I look forward to seeing if the advice you received from this thread worked for you. I will be buying this same player next month and will have to tweak mine as well. This thread definately helps me out early on.
Thanks!

BTW, if everything is working right for you now Gary, how are you liking the improved audio codecs you're hearing from your BR movies?

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1/20/09 at 8:17am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Troy, as of now I am not receiving the new hd audio. I did get the Dolby Digital/Pro Logic thing fixed though. Had to re-seat the coax cable. Its a very tight fit and I had to push real hard to get a connection. However, now I get no sound with the multi channel at all. I've got one more thing to try and if that doesn't work, I'll just stick with my coax and Dolby Digital. It sounds great to me. I've tried about everything else for the multi channel and just don't know what else to do. All the settings appear to be correct, but obviously one tiny little thing is not. Just don't know what it could be. Other than that, I will tell you, I think you'll love the S550. My long range plane is to update my receiver so I can just use HDMI all the way.
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1/20/09 at 9:32am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Gary,

Hope you get that last piece of the puzzle figured out for your high res audio to start working.
I'm hoping I don't have similar issues when configuring my multi-channel ports with the high res audio myself.

The analog ins/outs use basic RcA connections. Were you using basic plain vanilla rca's or something alittle bit more quality like gold/silver tipped RCA connections? Not sure that it matters.

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1/20/09 at 9:49am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

List all the audio settings you are using on the player, maybe we can spot an error.
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1/20/09 at 10:15am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Make sure you have DVD/6 Channel selected as your input and not one of the auto modes. I have worked with this receiver and that is an easy thing to overlook.
To pass the HD sound make sure you have multi channel and Direct set on the S550.

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1/20/09 at 10:20am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

OK, here goes. I hope I remember everything.

Audio Output Priority-Multi Channel Analog
Speaker Settings-Small/no rear surround/yes for subwoofer
Audio (HDMI)-Auto (since this is going to the projector for video only, should it be set to 2ch PCM instead?)
BD Audio Setting-Direct
Audio ATT-Off
Dolby Digital-Dolby Digital
DTS-DTS
48kHz/96kHz PCM- 96kHz/24bit
Audio DRC- Auto
Downmix-Dolby Surround
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1/20/09 at 10:24am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Doug. Yes, I have the Kenwood set at DVD 6ch input. Glad to hear from someone who is familiar with my receiver.
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1/20/09 at 10:30am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

That looks right, agree with Doug H, double check the input mode on the receiver, make sure it's set to "6 ch input" not auto to use the multi-analog.

If multi-ch still doesn't work, for coax digital you'd want to change receiver back to full auto, and the DVD output priority to coaxial/optical.
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1/20/09 at 6:17pm
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Gary, you have the audio settings in the player correct. I have an S550 connected to my Denon 1804 with the 5.1 analog outs. I do not have it connected with any other audio connection. The test tones and BDs play fine through all 6 channels. Sounds like you either have a bad S550 or there is a setting in your receiver somewhere that you missed.
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1/21/09 at 5:43am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Thanks for the response guys. I do have a couple of questions.

1. When scrolling through the menu on the receiver it showsVD Auto.
I haven't figured out how to shut that off. Is this what you are talking about?

2. Do I need to unplug the coax cable from the player and receiver when trying to use the multi channel? The reason I'm asking is the other day when I didn't have a solid connection with the coax connection to get Dolby Digital, I did at least had sound coming from the left & right fronts and the left & right surrounds when trying to use multi channel.

3 Or, could a be a combination of both?

Thanks again to everyone for trying to help!
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1/21/09 at 8:47am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Gary

If i am remembering correctly the input mode selector is on the front of the receiver at the far left, each time you push it it will show a new mode, eventually you will reach Analog 6 Channel. Input mode is different than input on the Kenwood, just FYI.

You shouldn't need to disconnect the coax, I used to have the 6 channel set up for DVD-A/SACD, the coax for the dedicated DVD player and the Sat connected to the optical, all on the DVD inputs so I didn't need to switch inputs very often and everything worked fine.

Anything is possible so playing with the connection combination could help.

Next step in troubleshooting is to connect some other devices to the 6 channel inputs. You CD player or anything else with 2 channel analog will work. Connect it to the fronts first, you should hear sound from the fronts.

Connect the surrounds next, you should hear sound from them and finally the sub and center. If you have sound through all of the inputs you know it is a bad S550 or a setting that is incorrect.

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1/21/09 at 9:02am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Thanks Doug! I'll try that as soon as I get home tonight. Hopefully what you just gave me will do the trick. I sent an email to Kenwood support to see if they could help as well but it seems that a response could take 3-5 days. I'm hoping its not a bad S550. I'd really rather not have to pack it up to send it back for replacement. Once again, thanks for all your help.
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1/21/09 at 10:33am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

I've got the S550, and a Kenwood VR6050. I have been able to enjoy the advanced codecs, until I plugged up my coax. Everything seemed fine at first, but then I put in Lost Season 4 BD and I couldn't get the audio to synch up to the video. I unplugged the coax, and everything went back to normal. (Now I'm wondering what my player/receiver is going with the DD and DTS.) I'm pretty sure my settings for the S550 are the same as listed above. I'm using 5.1 analog inputs on the receiver, and have an HDMI hooked up to my TV.

On my receiver remote, I do have to make sure I select DVD/6CH on the bottom group of "input selector" buttons, and with the "input mode" button (middle left, on my remote) I have to scroll to "6 channel" option by hitting it repeatedly. The other choices are "manual," "auto," and "digital."

Don't know if this helps. But I saw the issue of unplugging the coax up-thread. Just thought I'd chime in.
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1/21/09 at 1:01pm
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Re: Help with Sony S550

I never was able to get any sound out of the coaxial connection on the S550, so I just bit the bullet and bought a new receiver with HDMI.

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1/22/09 at 5:47am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Good news!! Doug, your suggestion was spot on. When I got home I went to my equipment rack and to the receiver, flipped down the cover, and found input mode. It was exactly where you said it would be. Pushed it a few times and 6ch input came up. Hooked up the cables, then went to the S550 and pulled up speaker settings and turned on the test tones. And there was the sound that had been missing all this time! I'm surprised you didn't here me yell "YES!!" where you were at! So, I now have access to the new codecs, and they sound great. Thanks to everyone that tried to help, I really appreciate it.
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1/22/09 at 11:56am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Glad to help Gary! Now go enjoy the sweetness that is HD audio.

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1/22/09 at 2:56pm
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Re: Help with Sony S550

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. . . input mode. . . . Pushed it a few times and 6ch input came up.
I take it you've never had a SACD player. I thought this might be the culprit, which is why I made sure and backed up that detail in my post.
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1/23/09 at 6:24am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

You're right Nathan. Never had an SACD. Never had the need. My system is for 90% movies,8% gaming, 2% music.
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1/23/09 at 8:30am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Really, if Sony wanted these players to make an impact, you'd think they'd include a little useful documentation and/or not make them so incredibly complicated to configure properly. Poor engineering and poor technical writing.

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2/11/09 at 4:50am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Well, I finally received my S550 from Amazon yesterday. Hooked it up using the HDMI to projector and I'm using the 5.1 ch. analog outs going to my yamaha DSP-A1 5.1 ch. analog ins. I went through the setup for audio settings and got a tone out of each speaker which I was happy about.
My question is , is there a way to properly calilbrate each channel to 75db in the S550 since it's doing the processing now ? I had my DSP-A1's channels calibrated to 75 db. , but now since i'm having to bypass my receiver's internal decoder and use the S550's decoder , what are you guys doing to get your channels as close to 75db? As it is now, the sound seems to way to loud coming out of each channel. also, my sub seems very loud at a low volume setting.
I noticed on the speaker settings for tone output that it starts with 0DB and you can dial up or down each channel . I just need a little help in this department if you guys have any to offer.
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Troy,

You will need a sound pressure level (SPL) meter if you want to get the speaker levels set to a 75db reference level. Radio Shack sells an analog SPL for around $45.

Just set your receiver's volume level to its reference level, then adjust the speaker level settings on the S550 until each channel's test tone measures at 75db on the SPL meter from your listening position. For the subwoofer, you may need to adjust the volume on the sub itself, and then recalibrate your receiver for your other inputs after you are done calibrating the S550.
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2/11/09 at 7:07am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Scott, when you say... set your receiver's volume level to reference level, ...... what would I be playing or hearing out of the receiver to get it to this point as reference. Do I use it's internal test tones and set it to 75 db and then go into the s550 and then adjust from there ?

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2/11/09 at 7:13am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Troy,

By reference level, I mean the volume level where you get a 75db reading when playing test tones from your receiver, assuming it has been calibrated already.
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2/11/09 at 9:29am
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Re: Help with Sony S550

Okay Scott, that helps. thanks I will do that tonight.
After I have the volume knob dialed in at 75db on my receiver , I won't touch the volume knob anymore. Then go into the S550 audio settings for tone /level and adjust each channel's output . The settings for each speaker in the S550 speaker settings starts at 0db. You can only decrease the volume of each channel or either leave it at 0db. I have a feeling I will need to dial down each channel after going back into the S550 because my speakers are very loud right now even at a very low volume location on the knob.

Thanks again,
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2/20/09 at 7:18pm
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Re: Help with Sony S550

I absolutely HATE this player. If I could get my money back, I would. The piece of crap is only 3 months old, and it consistently has audio problems. Sometimes it won't play the advanced codecs, sometimes it will. The latest annoyance is that it will play part of the soundtrack, but not the center channel. Sometimes it plays the mains, but not the surrounds. Sometimes it is out of synch with the picture. I really wish I'd never wasted my money on this piece of junk. Pure crap. I'm probably going to just throw it away and get a Panasonic.
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