|
Originally Posted by Rakie
But the moment you put something REALLY dynamic on there, or something recorded from the 60's and 70's (Thats NOT re-mastered) or symphonic music you will hear just how much they lack.
Music now is limited pretty harshly (Think of Limiting as you would think of Compression, squishing the signal thus raising the volume of everything, squashing dynamics). |
|
Originally Posted by Doug_H
Urjo
I think the SVS are very good speakers, especially for movies. If you wish to set up with a music priority and have the space, which it sound like you do, consider going to magnepan. These magneplaner speakers address the issues you are voicing. I have a full 5.1 setup with the maggies and for music they are hard to beat at any price. |
|
Originally Posted by urjo
So, yes, i am open to Full range speakers that would be around 3k. Any suggestions will do...
Thank you ~urjo |
|
Originally Posted by Ralph B
right on, bro!
listen to any cd up until the mid 80's and most of it was mastered pretty flat and sounds really good. the late 80's and on is when it started getting bad, still even the late 80's cd's weren't too bad. no speaker in the world will make todays cd's sound good. hoepfully this trend will end soon, it has gone on way to long. if you are a fan of old music that was mastered correctly, then yes, treat yourself to some nice full range speakers. but I wouldn't try and chase nice sound today if you are listening to cd's of today. |
|
Originally Posted by Rakie
Well thats because of the limiting as I said. The old CD's ARE a lot quieter, in their own way. One thing I think you're not counting on is you have a nice system... People who DON'T have a nice system, can't really get the sound out of those old LP's and Original recordings, thats why the signals are crushed so hard, to take advantage of POS speakers.
When we mix down crucial tests are POS computer speakers and stock car stereo's. Because thats where the majority of the music will be heard, so thats how it's made. And with POS speakers a really crushed signal is going to sound loud, and kids want loud most the time, as they get older they appreciate the sound quality more. Ooh, also. The artist has little say in what happens, unless a band member is also the producer. Producer calls the shot, thats more or less end of story. Kinda sad, but it's all about the money man, find what works, get everything that sounds like it, every flavor of the month, do it till nobody can stand it anymore then find somethin' new. "Boy Bands" was the longest lasting gimmick, I think. Urjo, one last suggestion. You might want to look into a nice 2 channel EQ so you can really dial in the sound you want *AFTER* you're used to w/e speakers you settle with. |
|
Originally Posted by Rakie
Oooh, One last thing to think of Ralph.
Tape. It's pretty much gone... Even the biggest bands record in protools, even though tape sounds MUUUUCH better, it's getting phased out. Engineers don't want that. Also more and more music is being mixed "in the box" meaning not using outboard gear... The highest of the top 40 / flavor of the month stuff is still done on a board with nice analog gear.. But even some of that is touched in pro tools Since pro tools is a digital platform "bits" of music fall off when it gets quiet, meaning if you have a recording of a nice big cymbal hit, and you have it decay... well, towards the end it's going to sound like "shhhh" as it gets quiet it'll sound like "Sh_h__ch__hch___" thats another reason, tied to lack of analog tape, that mastering is done the way it is today. Kinda sad. At any rate !!! Sorry to Hijack this thread Urjo. I hope you find what you're looking for, keep us updated. And if you're interested in some of the processes of recording today let me know Ralph |
| 1) I read enough to place the speakers at ear level or 1 F above the ear level. |
| 2) When i put both speakers on and the Receiver on Stereo, The sound quality went just a little down, and i couldn't figure out which speaker sounds better than other due to the placement or height. Now the other speaker (Front R) is placed on 2.5 F Height which came recommended for height. |
| 5) I am not a big fan of these Base Guitar sounds that most speakers are aggressive about that is in most of the new music; however, I do enjoy solid drum set. So should i setup the receiver in that pattern or style in order to achieve/receive such output? |
|
Originally Posted by Greg_R
Urjo, I feel that you are making a big mistake trying to throw money at the problem before you have identified the issue. Larger speakers in your current setup will likely accentuate the problems that you are having (boomy bass, etc.). I'm surprised that no one has commented on your room diagram... there are some serious issues with the current setup. Are you sitting on the couch listening to the music or are you standing in the middle of the room? I see no central seating for the screen or front speakers? Is the FR speaker really off from the front wall and the FL speaker against the wall? The rear wall is a large glass door... this is optimally bad.
The tweeter should be at ear level. Your mains MUST be at the same height. Having one at 6' and one at 2.5' is going to cause serious problems with how they image. Base = baseball, Bass = music/guitars. You should setup your receiver so it sounds good for all of your music. If things are 'boomy' (which they probably are given the empty, highly reflective room) then you will need to fix the issue acoustically. More expensive speakers will NOT FIX the issue. PLEASE do the following experiment. Place your front speakers (FL and FR) at least 3+ feet from all the walls and connect them to your receiver. Ensure that they are the same distance from each wall (i.e. left is 4 ft from the back, right is 4ft from the back). Place the subwoofer either at your listening position or between the two speakers. Ensure that the mains are at the same height and that the tweeters are at ear level (at a seating listening position). Set the receiver up so that it only sees 2 speakers + sub and is running in stereo (i.e. it is sending <80Hz to the sub and >80Hz to the mains). Measure the distance between the two speakers. Place your seat 1.5x that distance back from the main speakers. Ensure that you are not close to the rear wall. If that big glass door has drapes, close them. Now fire up the system and listen to a well recorded & mastered CD (Dark Side of the Moon, etc.). Your system is now setup as well as possible (minus room treatments). For this experiment you may want to place your speakers along the long wall... this really helps with side reflections and will limit the effects of the big glass door in the room. If the speakers still are not to your liking then go shopping. Your current room has a lot of reflectivity (hard floors, glass doors, no wall treatments, etc.). Improving one or all of these things would greatly improve any system that you have in that room. As Ralph mentions, great values can be had with used gear... if you know what you are buying and if you know how to fix any problems. |
