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Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
3/11/09 at 2:43pm
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Re: Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
They've in the past looked for trainers who would work for the show when contestants go home. So they can show them as they've lost weight continued in the game.
3/11/09 at 8:00pm
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OT: My friend goes to the same gym as Heba and Ed from last season and just this past week, Ed came into my place of work. I didn't see him, because I was not working at the time, but my friend saw him.I'm rooting for Mike or Tara to win this whole thing.
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3/12/09 at 5:30am
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Re: Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
I hope black gets their sh*t together. They barely squeeked by last week. They have gotten overconfident and the in-fighting and negative attitudes towards Jillian aren't helping. Instead of pitching a fit, Filipe should have just asked her to work with him some.
3/12/09 at 6:48am
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Re: Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
So how about that "reward" and the subsequent blowup? As with the Silver team conflict, I tune out when the show dwells on the contestants and trainers verbally abusing one another. But it did reinforce my opinion that Jillian, for all her strengths, is emotionally abusive; I would not want to train with her. I was disappointed to not have a response from her for Phillipe's calling her on it.
3/12/09 at 8:59am
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Re: Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
While he had every right (apparently) to be upset with Jillian...Filipe was an immature idiot the way he cried and whined about it and stomped off. Pretty embarrassing moment.He should have simply told her how he felt and found out why she didn't give Filipe his own personal training time. That kind of anger needs to be directed in a positive way.
And running to Bob is pretty lame, too. I'm surprised the producers would allow it (although I'm sure they're loving the "drama" of it all...
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There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!
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3/12/09 at 11:22am
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Re: Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
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While he had every right (apparently) to be upset with Jillian...Filipe was an immature idiot the way he cried and whined about it and stomped off. Pretty embarrassing moment.
He should have simply told her how he felt and found out why she didn't give Filipe his own personal training time. That kind of anger needs to be directed in a positive way |
If the trainer immediately goes to emotional-attacks in that situation, why would you expect the younger Phillipe, who's been just been berated by her, to act in a more mature manner?
The structural problem is that the "reward" was no reward for a "Biggest Loser". It was a challenge unto itself, as when they put into a room and told that whoever eats the most calories gets to call home.
3/12/09 at 11:33am
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Re: Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
I'm not excusing Jillian's methods. And I understand him drawing on his festering experience as a way to lash back at her as she unloaded on them (though their behavior was incredibly stupid given the circumstances).He should have dealt with it when it happened.
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Bob & Jillian have both acted in fairly unprofessional ways during this season. Jillian: after the Black team's dumb decisions during the reward in the last episode. Bob: When the teams were shaken up. I thought there had been a death in their "family" for gosh' sake.
There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!
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3/12/09 at 11:42am
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Re: Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
Yeah, the reward was basically crap. And part of the training setup is that Jillian etc. aren't doing anything to really motivate them toward improvement, she just resorts to dressing people down and berating people. Outside of biggest loser, if you personally were paying a trainer at say, 24-Hour Fitness, and they behaved that way you'd quit. You just wouldn't go back.Thank god the Aussie version hasn't had Bob or Jillian back this year at all (so far), improves their show immensely.
3/12/09 at 1:24pm
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I'm really ready to see Ron go home. He was the one that lost them that challenge and he'll be the one who will lose them the next one. I'm shocked that they didn't send him home.
3/13/09 at 8:17am
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I've actually found that though Jillian may be hard during the training sessions, she really gets attached to her people. She gets so angry, because her job is to keep them all there, and when they work against her like they did last week, it makes everything that much tougher.If you guys haven't noticed, Bob never wins. The only time he won was when Jillian wasn't on the show. Jillian's people always win the whole thing. For Fillipe to freak out like that was just stupid IMO. If he had a problem with her on the day she was there training everyone, he should have brought it up then.
3/18/09 at 9:20am
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I just realized something. Why is it "The Biggest Loser" can air in High Definition in Australia but isn't in the US? I mean, this isn't something where camera movements would be insane cost like The Amazing Race.
3/18/09 at 9:53am
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It was strange that on Jillian's team, the 2 players who did a very good job on the marathon, basically the same times, were the ones who had the lowst numbers for weight loss for this week. I wonder why that was?Tough choice for Blue to make, especially with Ron having immunity. And I was amazed Ron lost 10 lbs while at home.
3/18/09 at 2:52pm
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I just realized something. Why is it "The Biggest Loser" can air in High Definition in Australia but isn't in the US? I mean, this isn't something where camera movements would be insane cost like The Amazing Race.
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Yeah, TAR and Biggest Loser are the two shows on during the week that I really wish would make the transition to HD. It's not like it's a new thing nowadays.
Ron is becoming dead weight. I bet they'll move the teams around a bit in the weeks to come, or Bob's going to be out of people!
3/18/09 at 7:06pm
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My affiliate broadcasts Biggest Loser in in HD 4:3 (hi-def, but not widescreen).My wife gets a reality show email. She said exit interview comments noted that there was a long-running gap between Jillian and Filipe not fully shown in the show. As Jillian said herself, she has her favorites; he was not among them.
3/18/09 at 7:45pm
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That sucks that that kind of situation is "hidden" from the audience. Especially when a major glimpse of it IS shown.
That's an unfair manipulation of the audience which results in accurate perceptions of the participants.
While I fully realize we can't be privy to everything that goes on, in the weekly two-hour bundle of repetition that is The Biggest Loser--the producers could certainly let the audience in on the significant running plotlines.
There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!
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3/19/09 at 6:25am
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Re: Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
I was so proud of Ron for losing ten pounds. He has it the hardest on this show and he is still hanging in and doing what he can. His son looked so proud of him!It's funny how this show has made me look at food differently. I am not overweight by any means, but this show just really has me looking at how I eat and what I eat. I guess that is the point of the show to some extent. I wish that they would show the teams working out outdoors more often. I think the gym gets old after a while and would love to see them do more outside activities.
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3/19/09 at 6:37am
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I am always interested whenever they do anything different from the norm. Every once in a while Bob will do his yoga workout or they take to that hill climb. It does shake it up and show how you can do a workout outside the gym environment.==================
BTW, am I the only one a little confused by the cookie/half-marathon situation?!? I thought they made it pretty clear that Aubrey had eaten at least one (if not two) cookies to impact the outcome of the race times.
Hell. I just checked at the NBC/Biggest Loser site and their show recap states that Helen & Aubrey did, indeed, BOTH eat cookies to affect the outcome of the race! But when it came time to raise hands and "fess up"...they only showed Helen affecting the outcome. I didn't think I was crazy!
What's up with that?!?
There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!
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3/19/09 at 6:53am
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| Episode 711 | Season 7 | 03/17/2009 Helen and Aubrey each gave in to the challenge by eating cookies in order to put time against their competitors during the half marathon. When it was time for the race to start, each player had friends and family cheering them on. Mandi even joined her sister for the run. When the players could no longer run, they were pushed to keep walking. After each player finished their run, they described it as the best feeling in the world. |
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| Episode 711 | Season 7 | 03/17/2009 Ali revealed that Tara and Sione dominated the racing results, with Tara winning by only a minute. But now, it was time to see if anybody ate a cookie to add time to Tara's results. Helen reluctantly raised her hand and Tara was immediately disappointed. Sione gave Helen a hug because that meant he was the winner of the $10,000. |
This is BS. Even IF Aubrey ate cookies to affect someone else's time (not Tara or Sione) they need to show that. Because the producers themselves kept making it clear that ALL the contestants knew they were the two favorites in the competition.
This is the kind of stuff that can give the audience a clear impression that things are not on the up-and-up. Just like when they didn't have Dan at a challenge earlier in the season and never explained why. He just wasn't there.
It's like they are fixing the outcome...and being really inept about it at the same time. Horrible.
There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!
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3/19/09 at 8:34am
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It's like they are fixing the outcome...and being really inept about it at the same time. Horrible.
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The fact that folks think Reality TV has anything to do with Reality is beyond me. It is a primary reason why the Writer's on reality TV (Yes...these shows have writers), have argued that they should be covered under the writer's guild contracts...which they are currently not for these type of shows. Don't get me wrong...I enjoy watching a show like the Biggest loser and a few others. But, the story lines are and have always been written. The editing of the episodes further defines the story the show producers are going to tell. Reality TV being "reality" is really the biggest ruse the television networks have been successful at in quite a while.
Think all the way back to survivor season 1 or 2. The storm comes...and supposedly the only can of rice one of the tribes had was washed away in the storm. And of course, they actually had footage of it washing away. What you don't see is the camera man chewing on a snickers bar filming it. And the dozens and dozens of crew who are camped a few hundred yards away with electricity, generators, computers, satellite phones and a catering line 3 times a day.
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3/19/09 at 8:50am
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You see, Brian...I don't believe any of that.I work in broadcasting (TV & radio) and I sincerely don't believe these shows have writers...or that the outcome is plotted out ahead of time. I hope you are wrong about that. And I would have to think that everyone involved in these shows hopes you are never proven right...because they would be facing jail for defrauding the public. Some pretty stiff laws were enacted after the quiz show shenanigans of the 1950s.
I fully understand the "realities" of Reality TV that there are crews assigned to each participant or team and the incredible planning/editing that goes into blocking the filming to prevent footage of camera/audio crew from being seen.
But if the outcome is manipulated outside of production strategies which all need to be in place before shooting actually begins, there would be a whole lot of trouble facing the producers of these shows.
Any interview I've ever read with any of these shows' producers always includes questions about game-changing events and if they were done "on the fly" to control the direction of the game. To an individual, they deny that those manipulations take place and insist that various events are planned-out well before game-play actually begins.
I guess I could be naive about certain things...but this would be too much of a big money con for them to take any such risk.
There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!
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3/19/09 at 9:18am
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There are aspects of the show that are out of their control of course. They are letting the contestants vote of course. On something like biggest loser, they can't predetermine who loses what. But, the story that is told to the viewer is completely crafted from week to week and there are aspects that are introduced on various shows to shift things from happening. It does not have to be crafted before the show is cast for it to be crafted by the time it is edited and broadcast. And, if you watch the ultra fast streaming credits on these shows, there are notices that discuss how certain things in the show have been changed, or not shown...or even in Top Chef on Bravo they flat out say that the eliminated player is done not only by the judges, but in consultation with the shows producers...which means that they are keeping around the folks who make for good TV. Even on American Idol, in an effort to not have a repeat of the Sanjaya situation (which was out of their control)...so they now have the "judges save" in an effort to keep around who they want to keep around. It all might be a little more transparent than the Quiz Show situation of decades ago...but it is still derivative of it.Regards,
Brian W. Ralston
3/19/09 at 9:38am
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Oh, I have major issues with the editing that goes on with these shows. I believe strongly that they are overly manipulative when it comes to creating storylines when I think, in most cases, the actual drama of the game would be enough to keep viewers involved and interested.I have not seen an instance you describe in the credits of a explanation of why something wasn't shown, etc. That would bug me.
It's a very interesting topic, this entire subject.
There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!
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3/19/09 at 5:40pm
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Re: Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
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I was so proud of Ron for losing ten pounds. He has it the hardest on this show and he is still hanging in and doing what he can. His son looked so proud of him!
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My comment about Ron and his 10 lbs. wasn't meant to bash him. I was truly amazed he lost that much at home. The prior 7 weeks he was pulling 4, 5 or 6, (with 2 7's thrown in there). So to have pulled 10 and while at home, well I was just surprised.
3/25/09 at 8:11am
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Re: Biggest Loser - Season 7: Couples Discussion (merged)
Watching Tara stick it to the rest of the contestants after being ganged up on like that was brilliant. Way to stick it to them!I also liked how Laura talked her out of letting her stress get to her. I think Laura has grown quite a bit on this show in the last several weeks.
3/25/09 at 9:44am
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Yes, Tara should have looked at it as, "hey worst case, I don't win the challenge and don't have immunity. But I'm gonna bust hump to make sure my numbers are so good that immunity doesn't really matter".Tara also needs to have some detailed discussions with Jillian and try to get to the bottom of why she's pulling small numbers. Is she over-training? Or maybe not eating enough or the right stuff. She certainly seems to be putting the effort, so her numbers should be better.
Ron irked me again. Especially his nasty attitude about Helen not choosing the trainer he thought she should have chosen, Bob. Everyone had to make that decision as a personal choice and who the heck is he to deride someone for how they chose?
3/25/09 at 10:21am
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Yeah. Tara's a machine and is headed for a victory...as long as she doesn't slip up and land below that line. She shouldn't, she's so strong...but you never know.I'm predicting (pretty easy at this late date) her & Mike to go down to the wire. He should be getting so much stronger as he gets thinner...he's so young. Of course, too much muscle will hold down his weight loss numbers.
I figured this may have been another week where Tara might've held back a bit after winning immunity.
I was kinda surprised Mike didn't do better in the car-pulling challenge. And I was stunned to see Ron's weight-loss numbers given how hobbled he seems to be while working out and in challenges.
How come Laura didn't engage in car-pulling? An unnamed health concern? I was out of the room for a minute.
I couldn't believe how much air time they gave to the "pick your trainer" exercise!
And Felipe is such a girl. He seems to get ultra-emotional at the drop of a hat. And those shots of the Tonganese picnic were hysterical. Probably taken from their week home? Everyone was HUGE.
As much as I hate the oh-so-obvious product placement schtick...those grilled skewers featuring the marinated roast turkey will make an appearance at my house this spring/summer!
There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!
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3/25/09 at 1:08pm
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Not only did Laura not pull, but Kristen and possibly some others. No reason given. I guess they just decided to opt themselves out of contention.See, I thought winning immunity Tara might have held back, (or drank a lot of water just before weigh-in ... this makes the next week easier to pull big numbers). But she really wanted to hit 100, unless she just decided a week later would be fine.
3/25/09 at 1:22pm
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Not only did Laura not pull, but Kristen and possibly some others. No reason given. I guess they just decided to opt themselves out of contention.
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Kristen has been held back on a number of recent challenges because of "health concerns." Yet she's still this season's "go to" person to set up the drama of a challenge. My wife and I crack up at her narratives.
"So we walked into the gym and saw (fill in the blank). Weren't we surprised when Ali said, (fill in the blank). We didn't know what would happen next."
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Originally Posted by Qui-Gon John
See, I thought winning immunity Tara might have held back, (or drank a lot of water just before weigh-in ... this makes the next week easier to pull big numbers). But she really wanted to hit 100, unless she just decided a week later would be fine.
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You certainly can't accuse her of being stupid. She's got to see the big picture. Why go for a big number when you may not have immunity the next time. Then, next time you get the 100 pound milestone...plus stay in the game for another week...getting closer to the ultimate victory.
There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!
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