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12/31/08 at 6:42am
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Dolby's TrueHD is scalable from 1.0 through 7.1 i think just like Dolby Digital.

is DTS-HD MA that flexible? i remember DTS lossy is only 2.0 or 4.0 or 5.1 and that's it.

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12/31/08 at 6:48am
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

I hope it is.

I know I am not the only one to think this but I will have to say it:
The original momo track should ALWAYS be available and in lossless or PCM. There is no reason not to unless the original master really deteriorated to the point where a re-mix was absolutely necessary.
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12/31/08 at 7:01am
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

Or, would a mono PCM track take up as much room as a multi-channel PCM track? If not, then I say include the mono as PCM.
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12/31/08 at 7:49am
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

I am no expert (and am not being sarcastic either) but I assume that a single track PCM should take up about 1/5 to 1/6 the space of 6 track PCM
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12/31/08 at 10:42am
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

A 48/16 mono PCM track is 768kbps.

A stereo PCM (same specs) is 1536kbps.

A 6 channel PCM is 4608kbps.

So like the bitrate, the total size is simply double or triple depending on the number of channels.
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1/1/09 at 2:58pm
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

The tendency is to do 2.0 mono though so people get the sound coming from their front left and front right speakers instead of the one by the TV.
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1/3/09 at 11:17am
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

so dts-hd ma does NOT have as many provisions as truehd, correct?

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1/4/09 at 12:21pm
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

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Originally Posted by JediFonger
Dolby's TrueHD is scalable from 1.0 through 7.1 i think just like Dolby Digital.

is DTS-HD MA that flexible? i remember DTS lossy is only 2.0 or 4.0 or 5.1 and that's it.
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so dts-hd ma does NOT have as many provisions as truehd, correct?
That is not true. DTS-HD MA actually has more provisions than Dolby TrueHD and it includes a provision to do Mono 1.0. Even DTS lossy has the provision to do Mono 1.0, the only reason you do not come accross a DTS Mono 1.0 DVD or LD is simply because DTS on DVD & LD was generally used only for major titles, that too one's that were considered to be generally 'state of the art audio' titles. Mono 1.0 is not really state of the art audio. Personally I can't recall any DTS 2.0 titles on any Home Video format. Even theatrically the only titles I can think of that probably had DTS 2.0 or DTS 1.0, would be films made by Woody Allen.

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1/5/09 at 7:09am
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

i remember seeing DTS 2.0 on the criterion release of the rock SD DVD. maybe it was just me... =P.

if DTS had 1.0, why didn't more black and white, older classic movies use DTS as their 1.0 carrier? most of the older films with 1.0 mono tracks used Dolby Digital 1.0.

hell even Casablanca on BD now uses Dolby. are DTS just not interested in classics?

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1/5/09 at 12:02pm
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

The region B Night of the Living Dead has DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 Dual Mono.

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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

i read that last emperor will be DTS-HD MA 2.0 as well.

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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

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i remember seeing DTS 2.0 on the criterion release of the rock SD DVD. maybe it was just me... =P.

if DTS had 1.0, why didn't more black and white, older classic movies use DTS as their 1.0 carrier? most of the older films with 1.0 mono tracks used Dolby Digital 1.0.

hell even Casablanca on BD now uses Dolby. are DTS just not interested in classics?
What codec is used on a DVD/BD is entirely upto the studio distributing the title. DTS, or for that matter Dolby, has no say whatsoever in this. I am sure if it were upto DTS, they would release all titles only and exclusively in DTS. Anyhow, the most likely reason for studios electing to simply use Dolby, is because while Dolby decoding was pretty much standard on majority of all Receivers/Pre-Pros, DTS was not. In fact you would be hard pressed to find any receiver/pre-pro that has only DTS decoding, while there are quite a few recievers/pre-ros out there that only do Dolby decoding. Also, the fact that DTS has always been perceived as a higher end format, has led to the codec being used mostly with big blockbuster titles and/or titles that had state of the art audio. I am sure no one thinks of Mono 1.0 as state of the art audio and thus the studios probably considered the extra expense, for including a DTS track as unneccesary. By the way, the DTS codec for DVD was only finalized well after the first generation of DVD players, with no DTS support, were introduced. Thus Dolby sort of became the defacto standard for DVDs. Which mean't that all titles had to have a Dolby track and thus adding a DTS track meant more expense and also space being taken up on the disc. The only titles ever released, by a major studio, with DTS only DVDs, were those that had a seperate DVD released with Dolby Digital only.

PS: The Rock - The Criterion Collection, has a DTS 5.1 track in addition to the DD 5.1 track. As for the reason for the 'Casablanca' BD using Dolby, it is simply because it is a Warner title. Warner by the way has never been a supporter of DTS. They only released a handful of catalog titles on DVD with DTS, only after a lot of demand from fans on various forums. Thye then used the low demand for those catalog titles as an excuse to never again release a tile with DTS. One can't even get Warner to release BD titles with Dolby TrueHD on titles such as 'Speed Racer' and many others. Thus, it really would be expecting too much from the tone deaf executives at Warner, to release a title such as 'Casablance', that has only mono sound, with DTS.
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i read that last emperor will be DTS-HD MA 2.0 as well.
But that is 2.0 stereo, not 2.0 mono.
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The region B Night of the Living Dead has DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 Dual Mono.
That is only because a lot of studios prefer to deliberately use 2.0 for mono also. Hell, I have even come accross a few title that were released with 5.0 mono. Let me warn you. the experience of watching a movie with 5.0 mono, is not only not pleasant, but rather, it is quite excrutiatingly painful.

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1/7/09 at 5:27pm
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

The Superbit edition of "From Here to Eternity" was DTS mono. I didn't get that version so I don't know whether it was 1.0 or 2.0.
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

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The Superbit edition of "From Here to Eternity" was DTS mono. I didn't get that version so I don't know whether it was 1.0 or 2.0.


I think it was 5.1 mono...the samething coming out of every channel.

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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

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I think it was 5.1 mono...the samething coming out of every channel.
Are you sure? If that is true, it is just about the stupidest decision ever made.
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

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I think it was 5.1 mono...the samething coming out of every channel.
Okay I just googled the suberbit edtion and read through several reviews. The DTS soundtrack is a 5.1 remix, not mono. So I've managed to totally take this thread off-topic! Sorry
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

Maybe I got confused because there is a 2.0 mono track. I could have sworn the cover said something about DTS mono.

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1/9/09 at 12:56pm
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Re: Does DTS include provisions for mono 1.0 like TrueHD?

i stand corrected on the rock. dunno why powerdvd's info showed me DTS 2.0 when it wasn't... aaaanyways.

while what u say is true, classic films weren't released in large quantities on DVD until much later and therefore putting DTS on it wouldn't mean incompatibility. but u r right about higher quality. but no one really thinks mono is high quality, even though it can be. just because it is mono doesn't automatically mean the audio is low-quality or sux.

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What codec is used on a DVD/BD is entirely upto the studio distributing the title. DTS, or for that matter Dolby, has no say whatsoever in this. I am sure if it were upto DTS, they would release all titles only and exclusively in DTS. Anyhow, the most likely reason for studios electing to simply use Dolby, is because while Dolby decoding was pretty much standard on majority of all Receivers/Pre-Pros, DTS was not. In fact you would be hard pressed to find any receiver/pre-pro that has only DTS decoding, while there are quite a few recievers/pre-ros out there that only do Dolby decoding. Also, the fact that DTS has always been perceived as a higher end format, has led to the codec being used mostly with big blockbuster titles and/or titles that had state of the art audio. I am sure no one thinks of Mono 1.0 as state of the art audio and thus the studios probably considered the extra expense, for including a DTS track as unneccesary. By the way, the DTS codec for DVD was only finalized well after the first generation of DVD players, with no DTS support, were introduced. Thus Dolby sort of became the defacto standard for DVDs. Which mean't that all titles had to have a Dolby track and thus adding a DTS track meant more expense and also space being taken up on the disc. The only titles ever released, by a major studio, with DTS only DVDs, were those that had a seperate DVD released with Dolby Digital only.

PS: The Rock - The Criterion Collection, has a DTS 5.1 track in addition to the DD 5.1 track. As for the reason for the 'Casablanca' BD using Dolby, it is simply because it is a Warner title. Warner by the way has never been a supporter of DTS. They only released a handful of catalog titles on DVD with DTS, only after a lot of demand from fans on various forums. Thye then used the low demand for those catalog titles as an excuse to never again release a tile with DTS. One can't even get Warner to release BD titles with Dolby TrueHD on titles such as 'Speed Racer' and many others. Thus, it really would be expecting too much from the tone deaf executives at Warner, to release a title such as 'Casablance', that has only mono sound, with DTS.
But that is 2.0 stereo, not 2.0 mono.
That is only because a lot of studios prefer to deliberately use 2.0 for mono also. Hell, I have even come accross a few title that were released with 5.0 mono. Let me warn you. the experience of watching a movie with 5.0 mono, is not only not pleasant, but rather, it is quite excrutiatingly painful.

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