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Ron Artest, in true Artest fashion, gets himself thrown out of the game, when he was their leading scorer, and they loose. Imagine that, Artest only thinking about his ego and not his team, or the game, or getting a win. I'm shocked, really I am.
I was really hoping that Bryant retaliated -- but he kept his cool. Oh, how I was hoping he (Bryant) had been ejected from the game....
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I agree. I still feel a little disapointed. Can you imagine how good this series would be if Garnett for the Celtics and Nelson for the Magic were playing?

To me it would be awsome and either team would give Clevland a real run for thier money.
Mark,

I agree! Either team at full-strength is formidable, and would IMO win at least one game in Cleveland. The Cavaliers have shown how they can be beaten, but it's not easy for too many teams to figure out.

BTW Mark,

I still have this remote hope (in the back of my mind) that if the Celtics and Cavaliers meet -- and home court holds up through the first four games as it has for the past two years (rendering the series tied 2-2) -- Kevin Garnett would play in a game five in Cleveland. I know, it's far-fetched, but his delaying surgery has many people wondering if it is possible that he just might play one or two more games this season.
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I was really hoping that Bryant retaliated -- but he kept his cool. Oh, how I was hoping he (Bryant) had been ejected from the game....

Kobe's reaction was purely premeditated. He created the situation with the elbow to the throat in hopes that Artest would retaliate and get himself tossed and unfortunately Artest bought the bait. That's why in the replay Kobe's got that evil grin on his face while his arms are straight up - "Who me? I'm innocent but this other guy, you know how crazy he is!"
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Kobe's reaction was purely premeditated. He created the situation with the elbow to the throat in hopes that Artest would retaliate and get himself tossed and unfortunately Artest bought the bait. That's why in the replay Kobe's got that evil grin on his face while his arms are straight up - "Who me? I'm innocent but this other guy, you know how crazy he is!"
I'd love it if Bob Lanier were still in the league. I guarantee you that he (Lanier) would not put up with the antics of Kobe and a few others in the league.

I was at a game many years ago when Lanier, during a stop in the action, took a player to his side (in a headlock) and 'explained' the situation to him. That player simmered down immediately.
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In Kobe's defense Artest was all over him prior to the elbow. That's sports. You crawl all over a guys back like that, pushing him, he's going to push back. Just don't be the moron that retaliates AFTER the refs call their first technical. Kobe got a T later in the game for talking to Battier. It's just common sense, for which Artest has none.
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Having seen the replay 7200 times now, IMO Kobe should be suspended for a game. The elbow was clearly intentional. Of course, according to the rulebook, the elbow didn't have to be intentional to warrant a suspension.

Not that I think Artest's threatening response was appropriate, but I can understand why he was freaking out after taking an elbow to the throat and getting called for the foul.

On an unrelated note, all the people who said that Kendrick Perkins can't defend Dwight Howard can suck it!

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On an unrelated note, all the people who said that Kendrick Perkins can't defend Dwight Howard can suck it!
I love Perkins -- I really do. And have you noticed his free throw shooting these days?
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The league has apparently ruled that Rafer Alston and Derek Fisher are suspended for a game, Kobe gets a flagrant 1 technical. Not surprising.
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RIP, Chuck Daly.

It's been a tough year for Piston fans. First we lose long time owner Bill Davidson, and now Chuck.
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The league has apparently ruled that Rafer Alston and Derek Fisher are suspended for a game, Kobe gets a flagrant 1 technical. Not surprising.

Kobe and Lebron would virtually have to pull a gun on someone to get a suspension.
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And now Yao Ming is out for the season with a broken foot. Too bad. The Rockets might have made this a good series.

And before anyone gets too excited about the Nuggets, they don't have a prayer against Los Angeles should the two teams eventually meet.
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What a night (again) in Boston sports. Sometimes we lose, and sometimes we win. Last night was a treat, with the Bruins (4-0), Celtics (95-94), and Red Sox (4-3) winning. Two of those games were rather dramatic, too.

Mark,

The Celtics and Magic have played each other eight times this year, and it's deadlocked at 4-4. This is one tight series. I still believe it will go seven games.

BTW, is there a classier coach in the NBA than van Gundy? I've liked him for a few years, and my admiration continues to increase when I hear him during interviews.
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I would say the Rockets should look at letting Yao walk when his contract is up but the guy is so valuable to the team's revenue stream that they'll probably re-sign him to a max contract even if he's confined to a wheelchair. I'm very curious to see what Daryl Morey does to try and get the team over the hump despite being saddled with a couple of centerpieces that can never stay healthy.

I'm assuming the Lakers will win the series (probably in 6)but regardless, will anyone in the league be afraid of them after this series? Despite their progress during the regular season, they still come across as a soft team with overrated depth and a false sense of entitlement.
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I'm assuming the Lakers will win the series (probably in 6)but regardless, will anyone in the league be afraid of them after this series? Despite their progress during the regular season, they still come across as a soft team with overrated depth and a false sense of entitlement.
And conversely, will anyone in the league not be intimidated by the Cavaliers? They've actually gotten better in my opinion since the regular season ended. Then again, they really haven't been tested too much, but that is one fine, fine team right now. Their chemistry and their comraderie speaks volumes on the court and on the bench.

You bring up a good point regarding the Lakers. A month ago, I would have said (and probably did) that the Cavaliers didn't have the mental toughness to defeat the Lakers. Now, I'm not sure the Lakers can get up for too many teams, with the exception of Boston, whom they would really like to meet in the Finals (at least that is what Kobe said). I don't know about too many of the other players. 'Cry Baby' probably would like to meet them, so that he can go back to wearing green again on a more permanent basis.
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In the food for thought department, I was looking at this year's standings and comparing them to last year's standings. The Lakers finished eight games better than they did last year, the Celtics finished four games worse, and the Cavaliers finished twenty-one games ahead of last year's pace. That's quite impressive for that franchise.

Did anyone catch Dirk's great performance last night? I really wish this series were 2-2, but alas, it's not. I think Dallas will have to play amazingly in Denver to force a game six.
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Courtside Magic fan demands apology from 'Big Baby' Davis - Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

Way to turn your son into a whiny bitch on national TV, Dad.

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^^^

I'm pleased that Davis apologized to the boy. I saw what occurred on television, and it was clearly accidental.

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What a game tonight between the Celtics and the Magic -- wow. Boston rallies back from fourteen down (77-63) in the fourth quarter, and holds the Orlando Magic to one field goal(!) in the final 6:06 of the game. Boston now lead the series 3-2. I've said that this series would go seven games, and I believe it more than ever now. This is one interesting series.

Go Celtics!

Addendum: Stephon Marbury had his greatest game as a Celtic. I'd award him the game ball, if I could. The spark that he (along with Big Baby) provided, really brought the Green back from the dead in that fourth quarter.
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I think an apology was warranted, but the father's exaggeration was hilarious. Did he think the video wouldn't be on SportsCenter 4000 times? Especially after he made a public stink about it?

Also note (unlike the reporters ): Big Baby followed up his last-second game-winning shot with a semi-last-second game-winning rebound. Just sayin'.

I also want to take this opportunity to reiterate how Paul Pierce gets no respect. He was the Finals MVP last year, and he went STRAIGHT THROUGH BOTH OF THE NBA'S DARLINGS TO GET IT!!!

A few years ago, I read a newspaper article about some Sabermetrics-style statisticians studying the NBA. A number of their formulas rated Pierce as the most valuable player in the league (and this was when the Celtics were not good). Just sayin'.

While I'm at it, has anyone else noticed that practically every story is about how the Magic blew the game, giving no credit to the Celtics? Have no NBA reporters noticed that since the 24-point comeback in LA last season, the Rope-A-Dope has been the Celtics' postseason SOP? (I think they just don't have enough gas in the tank to go full-out for 4 quarters every game, so they save it. It might or might not be semi-intentional. I don't expect it to work against Cleveland. ) The Celtics had a few shooting droughts earlier in the game, which is why Orlando had a 14-point lead to begin with. Then Orlando happened to get cold at the end and it's blowing everybody's minds.

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Also note (unlike the reporters ): Big Baby followed up his last-second game-winning shot with a semi-last-second game-winning rebound. Just sayin'.
And I too saw that. That rebound -- without the effort of Baby -- was there for the taking. What I don't understand is why Barkley and a few others were chastising van Gundy (Howard) regarding that play. Why were they asserting that it was a 'tactical error'? If Howard or someone else from the Magic had rebounded the ball and put it back up and in, they would have been celebrating a tie game. Howard made the first free throw, to bring the Magic to within two with five seconds remaining. He missed the second intentionally, in the hopes that his team would rebound the ball and tie the game up. {Were they saying that the 'tactical error' was having Howard in the game at that point in the first place?}

Orlando Magic vs. Boston Celtics - Play By Play - May 12, 2009 - ESPN

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I also want to take this opportunity to reiterate how Paul Pierce gets no respect. He was the Finals MVP last year, and he went STRAIGHT THROUGH BOTH OF THE NBA'S DARLINGS TO GET IT!!!
Shhh, please. I don't want anyone to remember that. Paul Pierce does not belong playing on the same floor as either of them.

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A few years ago, I read a newspaper article about some Sabermetrics-style statisticians studying the NBA. A number of their formulas rated Pierce as the most valuable player in the league (and this was when the Celtics were not good). Just sayin'.
Keep sayin'. I like the truth written about The Truth.

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While I'm at it, has anyone else noticed that practically every story is about how the Magic blew the game, giving no credit to the Celtics? Have no NBA reporters noticed that since the 24-point comeback in LA last season, the Rope-A-Dope has been the Celtics' postseason SOP? (I think they just don't have enough gas in the tank to go full-out for 4 quarters every game, so they save it. It might or might not be semi-intentional. I don't expect it to work against Cleveland. ) The Celtics had a few shooting droughts earlier in the game, which is why Orlando had a 14-point lead to begin with. Then Orlando happened to get cold at the end and it's blowing everybody's minds.
Almost everybody -- but not those who really know what's going on here. But you may be right about their conservation of energy and their SOP. I do know that when they're down by double digits to most teams late in the game, I usually feel that things are okay for Boston.

BTW, in the future please refer to the "24-point comeback in LA last season" game as "the game that makes up for the Magic skyhook game of 1987." Bob Ryan was spot on when he commented on that game relative to the 1987 affair after the Celtics came back and won game four against the Lakers last year. Incidentally, I taped that game when ESPN showed it a second time during the Finals last year. That one is a keeper.
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And I too saw that. That rebound -- without the effort of Baby -- was there for the taking. What I don't understand is why Barkley and a few others were chastising van Gundy (Howard) regarding that play. Why were they asserting that it was a 'tactical error'? If Howard or someone else from the Magic had rebounded the ball and put it back up and in, they would have been celebrating a tie game. Howard made the first free throw, to bring the Magic to within two with five seconds remaining. He missed the second intentionally, in the hopes that his team would rebound the ball and tie the game up. {Were they saying that the 'tactical error' was having Howard in the game at that point in the first place?}

They seemed to think that he should've made the second FT and then gone for another foul. But the Magic had no timeouts left IIRC, so IMO it was six of one, a half-dozen of the other. Go for that rebound or get 5 seconds to advance the ball and toss up a prayer.

It almost worked -- that was close to a jump ball.

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They seemed to think that he should've made the second FT and then gone for another foul. But the Magic had no timeouts left IIRC, so IMO it was six of one, a half-dozen of the other. Go for that rebound or get 5 seconds to advance the ball and toss up a prayer.

It almost worked -- that was close to a jump ball.
I believe you're correct about the Magic not having any more time outs.

That rebound was huge. And I wasn't sure who got it for a moment or two there!
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And now Yao Ming is out for the season with a broken foot. Too bad. The Rockets might have made this a good series.
The T-Mac-less, Yao-less Rockets have just bounced back from the Game 5 debacle to take Game 6 by 15 points, leading L.A. the whole way. I think they have made this a damn good series - much better than the Lakers wanted, I suspect.

Game 7, baby. Anything can happen.
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The Rockets-Lakers series reminds me of that part in Major League, when the team has just found they have no hope because the owner's busting them up regardless of what happens: "There's only thing left to do." "What's that?" "WIN THE WHOLE...FUCKING...THING." I didn't think they could extend the series after losing Yao but they play another game like this and anything could happen
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"And before anyone gets too excited about the Nuggets, they don't have a prayer against Los Angeles should the two teams eventually meet."

I don't recall who the idiot was that wrote that above, but I'd like to see him retract his words.

Assuming that the Lakers win game seven, I'm really curious how they will match up against this year's Nuggets.

Last year, the Lakers swept Denver in the first round. I doubt very much it would be a sweep this year.

Also, I don't know how Orlando or Boston would play Cleveland if/when one of them gets to the third round. This is getting very interesting, though.
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Also, I don't know how Orlando or Boston would play Cleveland if/when one of them gets to the third round. This is getting very interesting, though.

I do, but I don't like to think about it (unless Orlando wins on Sunday).

What a day yesterday. Tuesday was so great (Celtics, Bruins, Sox), and yesterday -- {shudder}.

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The T-Mac-less, Yao-less Rockets have just bounced back from the Game 5 debacle to take Game 6 by 15 points, leading L.A. the whole way. I think they have made this a damn good series - much better than the Lakers wanted, I suspect.

Game 7, baby. Anything can happen.

The Lakers said from the start this was going to be a tough series. They have said they didn't expect them to quit when Yao went down. They expect a dog fight on Sunday.

Get In My Belly.

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I do, but I don't like to think about it (unless Orlando wins on Sunday).

What a day yesterday. Tuesday was so great (Celtics, Bruins, Sox), and yesterday -- {shudder}.
And it's been good the past few weeks or so. I think the Bruins, Celts, and BoSox have all won on the same day three times.
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I really don't think that it matters WHO wins in the West (although I would like to see the Nuggets advance), this looks to be Cleveland's year.

I know the NBA would LOVE a Kobe/Lebron finals, but the Lakers seem to be struggling against a team that is missing 2 of it's top players (Tmac & Yao). I don't think that they will beat the Nuggets if they advance.

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I really don't think that it matters WHO wins in the West (although I would like to see the Nuggets advance), this looks to be Cleveland's year.

I know the NBA would LOVE a Kobe/Lebron finals, but the Lakers seem to be struggling against a team that is missing 2 of it's top players (Tmac & Yao). I don't think that they will beat the Nuggets if they advance.
John,

Man, the NBA sure would love that final.

I agree with you about it being Cleveland's year. Two years ago, they were swept in the Finals. Last year, Boston ousts them in seven games in the conference semifinals. I won't be too unhappy if they win it all.
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Let me be the first to congratulate the Orlando Magic (and their fans) for an excellent game seven performance against the Celtics. The better team won that series. I do wish the Celtics had been healthy, but those are the breaks.

I'm not really certain how to call the Cavaliers - Magic series, and whom would do better in the Finals. On the one hand, I believe the Magic would handle the Lakers fairly well (2-0 against Los Angeles during the regular season). On the other, maybe Cleveland really can put it all together and win eight more games. I don't know.

I have two predictions going at the moment:

1) Cleveland takes care of business at home (games one and two), splits in Orlando, and wins the series in five games.

2) Orlando splits in Cleveland, takes care of business at home (games three and four), loses game five and wraps up the series in six games. (N.B.: I suppose both teams could split on their home court like the Celtics and Magic did through the first four games, with Orlando winning a second game -- in this case, game five -- in Cleveland, but I think that this is highly doubtful.)

Since Cleveland hardly ever lost two games in a row this season, I'm going with the Cavaliers in five games.

Any thoughts on how this next series will turn out?
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