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I think last night was Mikki Moore's best game yet! And Marbury's, too. (For some reason, whenever I think of Marbury, I think "Sebastian Telfair." Go figure!)

Seeing Scal back on the court was a very pleasant surprise. Too bad his first trey wasn't at the Garden though.
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I think last night was Mikki Moore's best game yet! And Marbury's, too. (For some reason, whenever I think of Marbury, I think "Sebastian Telfair." Go figure!)

Seeing Scal back on the court was a very pleasant surprise. Too bad his first trey wasn't at the Garden though.
Agreed on Scalabrine. It was nice seeing him hit that three-pointer (even in Chicago).

Walter,

Well, you must really be shocked now. Congratulations! It's now 2-1, Philadelphia.
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Well, I'm quite spent, emotionally. That was one wonderful game between the Bulls and the Celtics. Five games thus far -- and three of them have gone to overtime -- astonishing. It's the first time that's ever happened in an NBA playoff series.

Kendrick Perkins was awesome, and somewhat unsung in the victory, what with Pierce and Rondo getting most of the ink. Besides his nearly twenty points, he had nineteen rebounds and seven blocks.

I loved how the commentator said, midway through the third quarter, how 'tired' Paul Pierce looked. Yeah, right. And when he was hitting just about everything in sight near the end of the game and into overtime, Pierce suddenly became this same commentator's 'go to guy.' Uh huh.

I was hoping the Sixers would steal another win on the road tonight, but that was not to be. Could they again lose three games consecutively after being up 2-1 against a team two years in a row? I really hope not.

Could the Mavericks eliminate the Spurs tonight? And what's with the Nuggets winning by fifty-eight last night? They're good, but they're not that good.

Cleveland and Los Angeles are resting -- and waiting. Those two juggernauts seemed destined to meet in the Finals this year, don't they? It should be an interesting ride.
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Could the Mavericks eliminate the Spurs tonight? And what's with the Nuggets winning by fifty-eight last night? They're good, but they're not that good.

No, but New Orleans isn't all that good. They had a really nice season last year but whatever flaws their roster had weren't really fixed. Chris Paul is still great (although his whining and flopping is irksome) but no one else on that team scares me.
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If the celtics and orlando win I think (without KG) Dwight howard will have his way with Perkins.
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Kendrick Perkins was awesome, and somewhat unsung in the victory, what with Pierce and Rondo getting most of the ink. Besides his nearly twenty points, he had nineteen rebounds and seven blocks.

And ZERO FOULS!!!

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I loved how the commentator said, midway through the third quarter, how 'tired' Paul Pierce looked. Yeah, right. And when he was hitting just about everything in sight near the end of the game and into overtime, Pierce suddenly became this same commentator's 'go to guy.' Uh huh.
Pierce was clearly sleepwalking through the 3rd. I was screaming at Doc to give him a rest!

After seeing the 4th and OT, I'm somewhat convinced that Pierce was purposely trying to conserve energy.

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After seeing the 4th and OT, I'm somewhat convinced that Pierce was purposely trying to conserve energy.
Yep -- for the overtime, which he knew was inevitable.
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I have no love for either team, but Celtics-Bulls game 6 just made me giddily happy and exhausted. I am now setting in stone what I'll be doing at 5 pm Pacific Time on Saturday. It's series like these that really make the old Association slogan ring true--damn, I love this game.

Very happy for Yao getting past the first round. Congrats also to T-Mac, his team finally advanced in the playoffs!
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The Bulls-Celtics series is classic. Two bad either team stands to be demolished by a rested Orlando. Insane triple overtime. Insane.
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Goodness, even though baseball and hockey are a joy to watch these days, the NBA playoffs are a sight to behold. The Boston Celtics and Chicago Bulls are playing a series that many are considering one of the best -- if not the very best -- of all time. And it's only the first round of the playoffs.

Four of the six games played thus far have gone to overtime, with one of these a double overtime game, and last night's game -- game six in which the Bulls won to tie the series at three games apiece -- a triple overtime game.

Take a peek at the scores of the six games thus far:

Game 1: Chicago 105, @Boston 103 (OT)

Game 2: @Boston 118, Chicago 115

Game 3: Boston 107, @Chicago 86

Game 4: @Chicago 121, Boston 118 (2OT)

Game 5: @Boston 106, Chicago 104 (OT)

Game 6: @Chicago 128, Boston 127 (3OT)

My wife, me, and eldest son were drained watching the game last night. This Saturday evening, the seventh and final game of the series will be played to determine who moves on to the second round to face the Orlando Magic.

At least one sportswriter wishes the series could go on indefinitely:

Daily Dime: Another instant classic -- Celtics vs. Bulls Game 6 - NBA - ESPN

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Several months ago, I picked the Orlando Magic to defeat the Cleveland Cavaliers if they met in the postseason. I still think the Magic are the team to defeat the Lakers (L.A. was 0-2 against them during the regular season) in the Finals. As much as I would love to see the Cavaliers defeat the Lakers, I just don't think they can do it. That being said, I may rescind this opinion once I see the next two rounds of both the Lakers and the Cavaliers. How I hope that Houston actually gives Los Angeles a series this year. Can anyone say "89-86, 1981"?
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How I hope that Houston actually gives Los Angeles a series this year.
Wish granted, at least so far. Rockets steal Game 1 (& home court) at the Staples Center.
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As a Magic fan, I have never seen a team play so good then conversly play so bad in one night. They needed every bit of that 28 point lead to pull out a win. It really showed how much they miss Nelson. I'm not complaining too bad about Alston but he really looked lost out there when Rondo turned up the D.

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As a Magic fan, I have never seen a team play so good then conversly play so bad in one night. They needed every bit of that 28 point lead to pull out a win. It really showed how much they miss Nelson. I'm not complaining too bad about Alston but he really looked lost out there when Rondo turned up the D.
Mark,

I must have missed that you are a Magic fan. Congratulations on the win last night. I don't really know which way this series will go. And if Atlanta somehow pulls off a win tonight (doubtful), wow.

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Wish granted, at least so far. Rockets steal Game 1 (& home court) at the Staples Center.
Craig,

Yeah, I watched until the wee hours of the morning. The Lakers kept cutting the lead to six, then four, then six; when it got to eight again (under a minute), I felt a lot better. If I had to pick, I would say the Lakers will take the series in six games. And I have to admit that for this year at least, they do not have three byes before they get to the finals.
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Yeah, I watched until the wee hours of the morning. The Lakers kept cutting the lead to six, then four, then six; when it got to eight again (under a minute), I felt a lot better. If I had to pick, I would say the Lakers will take the series in six games. And I have to admit that for this year at least, they do not have three byes before they get to the finals.

I'm starting to wonder if the Rocket/Lakers series might be better than I first thought. A mature and healthy Artest is a HUGE step up from T-Mac with his perpetual back problems. And the Lakers really have no anwser to Ming. Brynum is way over matched there.

I'm gonna have to make sure to watch those games now.

Man i love playoff basketball.

Mark F. Leiter

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Mark,

You know what I really love about Yao -- and this he has over Howard and Shaq -- is that free throws are almost second nature to him. Last night, the Rockets played some smart basketball in the final two or so minutes. The ball was inbounded to Yao, and he was fouled almost immediately. Bad move by the Lakers, but they had little choice. And Yao sank them like clockwork.

Bynum? Who is he? Just kidding. I think he needs to go to another team, but not because I don't think he can play.
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Scott. I agree 100%. It's a huge advantage to have your center shooting 85% FTs. But the one thing that Shaq in his prime and Howard have over Ming is power. They usally can just mussle him out of the way. though I have to admit that so far Ming has out played Howard every time they have played. Hopefully Dwight learns from those matchs and can be better the next time they play.

To be honest I've never been all that enthused with Bynum. I can think of several centers that I would rather have on my team. But I do think he should stay where he is at. As a third or fourth option on the Lakers there isn't much spotlight on him and no pressure to carry the team. If he were traded to a team where he was the man, all his short comming would be brought to light.

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Scott. I agree 100%. It's a huge advantage to have your center shooting 85% FTs. But the one thing that Shaq in his prime and Howard have over Ming is power. They usally can just mussle him out of the way. though I have to admit that so far Ming has out played Howard every time they have played. Hopefully Dwight learns from those matchs and can be better the next time they play.
Mark,

Agreed. The power that both have is quite formidable. Yao is tall, but he's really not that broad or (I don't think) strong.

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To be honest I've never been all that enthused with Bynum. I can think of several centers that I would rather have on my team. But I do think he should stay where he is at. As a third or fourth option on the Lakers there isn't much spotlight on him and no pressure to carry the team. If he were traded to a team where he was the man, all his short comming would be brought to light.
I'm not impressed with him either. You're right about Bynum and the lack of spotlight he has with the Lakers. But IMO, I think for him to flourish, he has to go elsewhere. However, if Bryant retired, then that would be another story. I don't see them meshing all that well together. It's interesting to me -- and I think it was Kirk T. above who may have said this months ago -- how well the Lakers mesh without Bynum playing in the lineup. Some sports announcers have asserted that the Lakers cannot win a championship without Bynum. I think that's hogwash. You need about seven 'good to excellent' guys for the entire four rounds, and they've got that, and more.
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Discuss: Is Yao the best free-throw shooting big man of all time?

My opinion: I have no idea!

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Discuss: Is Yao the best free-throw shooting big man of all time?

My opinion: I have no idea!
Aaron,

Well, Yao is over 80%, which is excellent. Nowitzi is quite good, and (if memory serves) Moses Malone was pretty good at the charity stripe. I'm guessing Jabbar was over 70%, and I know that Parish was around that figure as well (72% or so).

Addendum: Yes, Jabbar is around 72% as well.

I just looked up the stats for Malone. Interestingly, he was 62% in the ABA, and 76% in the NBA. I'm guessing that had to do with the stripes on the ABA ball.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...malonmo01.html

Here is some info. on the topic:

Basketball: Tallest NBA Players and Free Throw Accuracy | Interbasket

Bill Russell and Wilt (see below for the latter) were atrocious at the charity stripe.

Free throw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Tall players often shoot free throws poorly, though theoretically taller players should be better at making them. One explanation for this is that the high release point of their shots can cause them to stand overly erect. Basketball Hall of Fame member Wilt Chamberlain made just 51.1% of his free-throw attempts, one of the lowest percentages of all time, and the poor free throw shooting of 7'1" Shaquille O'Neal, 6'9" Ben Wallace, and 6'11" Tim Duncan, have led to the infamous Hack-a-Shaq and other intentional fouling tactics, which made them a liability to their teams in endgame situations where the score was close. On the other hand, there have also been big men who have been prolific scorers from free throws: Yao Ming (7' 6"), Vlade Divac (7' 1"), Pau Gasol (7' 0"), Hakeem Olajuwon (7' 0"), Dirk Nowitzki (7' 0"), Rasheed Wallace (6' 11"), Kevin Garnett (6' 11"), Mehmet Okur (6" 11"), Brad Miller (7' 0"), Jermaine O'Neal (6' 11"), Amare Stoudemire (6' 10"), Chris Bosh (6' 10"), Peja Stojaković (6' 10"), and Žydrūnas Ilgauskas (7' 3") are all 70% or better from the stripe.
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Kind of a ho-hum day ion the playoff races. i had swim training early in the evening so I did not get to start watching the Cav/Hawks series til the start of the 3rd. Basicly about the time it turned into a rout.

Watched the first quarter of the Nuggets/mavs but I was just too tired to pay much attention to that one either. Went to bed after that. Looks like Denver won that one going away too.

Unfortunately It will be the same tonight. I'll miss ost of the first halh of the Magic. With luck they can do it without me

Mark F. Leiter

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Aaron,

Well, Yao is over 80%, which is excellent. Nowitzi is quite good, and (if memory serves) Moses Malone was pretty good at the charity stripe. I'm guessing Jabbar was over 70%, and I know that Parish was around that figure as well (72% or so).

Addendum: Yes, Jabbar is around 72% as well.

I just looked up the stats for Malone. Interestingly, he was 62% in the ABA, and 76% in the NBA. I'm guessing that had to do with the stripes on the ABA ball.


Bill Laimbeer came to my mind. He had a career .837 free throw percentage. That ranks him at #69 all-time in NBA history. "Big men" who ranked higher include Nowitzki (.8717), Jack Sikma (.8494), and Mike Gminski (.8431).

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Bill Laimbeer came to my mind. He had a career .837 free throw percentage. That ranks him at #69 all-time in NBA history. "Big men" who ranked higher include Nowitzki (.8717), Jack Sikma (.8494), and Mike Gminski (.8431).

Here is the list. Feel free to see which big men I missed.
I can't believe I forgot about Jack Sikma. I loved his game, especially his perimeter shooting, which was quite good for a big man. When he teamed with Dennis Johnson and Gus Williams, that Supersonics team was quite formidable. They gave the Celtics fits most years even when they did not win it all (1978-79).
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A mature and healthy Artest is a HUGE step up from T-Mac with his perpetual back problems.

T-Mac hasn't had back problems for a couple of years now. His issue at the moment is that he injured his knee in the middle of last season, waited to have surgery on it until after the season (because Yao was out), but the rehab didn't go well and his knee only got worse when he tried to come back too early. So he got stuck with microfracture.

About Artest, I don't know. He's surprised me with how reserved he's been in the playoffs so far but with guys like him it's a minute-by-minute thing. I'm sure Kobe will be trash-talking him the whole way, trying to goad him into a shootout.

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Yao is tall, but he's really not that broad or (I don't think) strong.

Broad? Yao probably has the widest ass in all sports. It's why his career has lasted as long as it has, because he doesn't have Ralph Sampson legs; he's got tree trunks for his lower body. Yao's issues are mainly quickness and that he's actually too tall because he has trouble backing down guys with really low centers of gravity. He can back down a standard 7' center pretty easily but a really strong 6'6" guy can give him a lot of trouble.
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T-Mac hasn't had back problems for a couple of years now. His issue at the moment is that he injured his knee in the middle of last season, waited to have surgery on it until after the season (because Yao was out), but the rehab didn't go well and his knee only got worse when he tried to come back too early. So he got stuck with microfracture.

About Artest, I don't know. He's surprised me with how reserved he's been in the playoffs so far but with guys like him it's a minute-by-minute thing. I'm sure Kobe will be trash-talking him the whole way, trying to goad him into a shootout.



Broad? Yao probably has the widest ass in all sports. It's why his career has lasted as long as it has, because he doesn't have Ralph Sampson legs; he's got tree trunks for his lower body. Yao's issues are mainly quickness and that he's actually too tall because he has trouble backing down guys with really low centers of gravity. He can back down a standard 7' center pretty easily but a really strong 6'6" guy can give him a lot of trouble.
Okay, I was talking about his strength and the width of his shoulders (like Shaq and LeBron). Sorry I wasn't more clear.
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Well, game two of the Celtics - Magic series is quite different thus far. Boston is leading by eighteen late in the second quarter. Ray Allen and Eddie House have just hit back-to-back three pointers. The score (55-37) is almost identical to Orlando's halftime lead in game one (54-36).

O/T--

The Bruins are also up 1-0 nearing the end of the second, and the BoSox were up 2-1 -- until Cleveland took the lead in the top of the fifth (4-2). Oh, to be a Boston sports fan really is a lot of fun.
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I'm happy the Celtics played relatively well tonight, especially on the defensive end. Rondo had another triple-double, and Eddie House was ... unconscious (11 of 14 from the field, including thirty-one points and four-for-four from the three-point arc). ESPN mentioned that "In the last three games, House is 18 for 24 from the field and 10 for 12 from 3-point range."

That was the first time the Celtics had ever defeated the Magic in a playoff game in Boston. Who'da thunk it?

It was good to see Bill Russell, Tommy Heinsohn, JoJo White, John Havlicek and Kevin Garnett [ ] in the stands watching the game.

That was an odd (and intentional) head slap received by Eddie House after he sank another shot. I wonder if any action will be taken. It had nothing to do with the actual play of the game itself, other than House beat his man again.

I know most I've read on the Board believe Orlando will win this series, but I don't think so. I believe it will be a closely-fought series, and that it may (again) go the distance.

The Lakers and Rockets are tied 57-57 at the end of the first half. Houston was down by fourteen, but they're playing Los Angeles very tough thus far.
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Yup saw most of the Magic/Celtic game. Turned it off in the middle of the fourth. Orlando really had the look of "well we won one, lets just get home" mentality. I would have hoped they would have expected Boston to play with a great deal more intensity than they Monday. Apparently not.

I also would have thought Orl would have focused on getting Howard a bunch of touches. With Boston so thin at center (Basically Perkins and that's it) if they just get him in foul trouble it'll make the lane wide open and pretty much eliminate any "hack-a-Howard" tactics in the fourth quarter.

Oh-well we'll see what happen Friday.

Mark F. Leiter

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Yup saw most of the Magic/Celtic game. Turned it off in the middle of the fourth. Orlando really had the look of "well we won one, lets just get home" mentality. I would have hoped they would have expected Boston to play with a great deal more intensity than they Monday. Apparently not.

I also would have thought Orl would have focused on getting Howard a bunch of touches. With Boston so thin at center (Basically Perkins and that's it) if they just get him in foul trouble it'll make the lane wide open and pretty much eliminate any "hack-a-Howard" tactics in the fourth quarter.

Oh-well we'll see what happen Friday.
Mark,

My gut feeling is that this series will be going seven games.
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Ron Artest, in true Artest fashion, gets himself thrown out of the game, when he was their leading scorer, and they loose. Imagine that, Artest only thinking about his ego and not his team, or the game, or getting a win. I'm shocked, really I am.
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Mark,

My gut feeling is that this series will be going seven games.

I agree. I still feel a little disapointed. Can you imagine how good this series would be if Garnett for the Celtics and Nelson for the Magic were playing?

To me it would be awsome and either team would give Clevland a real run for thier money.

Mark F. Leiter

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