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I hope this hasn't been covered elsewhere, if so, close the thread and point me to it. It's kinda hard to search for this.
So far, every BR disc I've watched has crippled the stop button. After pressing stop, I always get a message telling me that the next time I press play, the movie will start over, resuming is prohibited.
I have a release 2 (sony 550) player and I'm wondering what kind of crappy "feature" this is. Why are they making this design decision? It certainly does not add value for the consumer and I don't see how letting me resume a movie hurts the studios. I don't understand this.
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Re: The Stop Button
BD-Java encoded titles cannot STOP/RESUME. From what I understand the BDA and the studios are trying to come up with a work around via a software update.
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Totally agreed.
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I hope they do that soon. That's very annoying because of having to go through all the start-up warnings every time.
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Maybe if they spent less money freezing out the competition and more on developing the product, this wouldn't be a problem.
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I had to fast forward through all the previews (thanks for those forced previews, Sony), re-watch all the FBI warnings, and then find the spot where we left off. 
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Just one more reason for me to wait to upgrade, maybe by the time I can afford both a player and a new receiver, someone will have figured this out.
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Their intent was that the bookmarking feature would replace the resume function. However, the bookmark feature has been haphazardly implemented. They also underestimated the basic laziness of human beings. Most people can't be bothered with using bookmarking, even when it is implemented.
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I totally agree that it should work (the stop function) on BD (and HD DVD, for that matter, as this issue exists with my two HD DVD players as well) as it does with DVDs and CDs. I have found myself adapting by simply using the pause button (it serves me well for most situations where I might otherwise have stopped the disc). It is an imperfect solution as it does not address the issue directly (and I still sometimes hit the stop button by accident--always annoyed when that happens) but it can be a partial solution (once the reflex is developed).
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If technology such as Blu-ray discs and players can be developed, something as elementary as "resume" can be implemented, and should have been from day one. BD-Java be damned. Either it can be worked with, or another technology that over-rides or works around, can be, and should have been implemented. End of story.
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Damn straight!
I have an unfortunate habit of thinking I can finish a movie I start at 9:30pm and find an hour later I'm too sleeply to continue. Pause does me no good, I have to stop.
Let's face it, this is just one example of how consumers have grown used to tech products having poor design issues and living with it and the creators of these products know we'll put up with it. It seems the more things get better the more they get worse.
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I have an SD DVD player where hitting the stop button resets the disc the same way BD and HD DVD players do, so it is not unique to the hi-def players (though, admittedly, my player is 4 years old and such a problem is not common--just pointing out it is not unique).
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I think the primary issue is with how Java encoded content is streamed/loaded. Like I said, rumor is that they are working on a software solution to this inherently Java based problem.
If you have a disc that resumes it is programmed with HDMV rather than Java, plain and simple.
As far as ads and warnings go - it's because the medium is such a success that you see these things. If the studios didn't think the ads for other products worked they wouldn't put them on the discs. As long as they have a built in audience they'll throw ads at them to promote their products, plain and simple.
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Their intent was that the bookmarking feature would replace the resume function. However, the bookmark feature has been haphazardly implemented. They also underestimated the basic laziness of human beings. Most people can't be bothered with using bookmarking, even when it is implemented.
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For me its not a matter of lazy, but rather accidentally hitting the stop button, when trying to hit the pause. This is VERY easy to do on the PS3 remote!
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For me its not a matter of lazy, but rather accidentally hitting the stop button, when trying to hit the pause. This is VERY easy to do on the PS3 remote!
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That probably is the only problem I have with the PS3 or rather I should say the PS3 remote. Due to the poor placement, in my opinion, of the stop button, I have on numerous occassions accidentally hit the stop instead of pause. If only they had placed the stop button a little out of the way of the more often used controls. At the very least, they should have made the stop button of a different shape and or size than the pause button.
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That probably is the only problem I have with the PS3 or rather I should say the PS3 remote. Due to the poor placement, in my opinion, of the stop button, I have on numerous occassions accidentally hit the stop instead of pause. If only they had placed the stop button a little out of the way of the more often used controls. At the very least, they should have made the stop button of a different shape and or size than the pause button.
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Count me in on that one. I was gonna say the same when CraigF suggested sticking w/ the Pause button instead for the PS3.
I actually do *not* use the Stop button in general as part of my movie viewing habit, except when I'm completely done watching the movie (and whatever extras). When I do *intentionally* use it otherwise, it's not quite *that* big a deal to me for the movie to start from beginning (as long as I can use the chapter selection to get around instead). In most such intentional instances, I feel like I might as well start from beginning again anyway or at least would not find it too painful to jump to a good spot (not just wherever I happened to stop).
But the PS3 remote's button layout (and lack of backlight) does cause me trouble when I try to use the Pause button. It happened again just last night when I had to pause in the middle of Hellboy II.
I'm just glad the PS3 at least operates quickly enough to spare me additional frustration in dealing w/ this annoyance -- I can't imagine having to wait for all that BD-J stuff to reload, etc. on a slower player.
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That probably is the only problem I have with the PS3 or rather I should say the PS3 remote. Due to the poor placement, in my opinion, of the stop button, I have on numerous occassions accidentally hit the stop instead of pause. If only they had placed the stop button a little out of the way of the more often used controls. At the very least, they should have made the stop button of a different shape and or size than the pause button.
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I have to say I'm not thrilled with the remote being bluetooth either. If you just bump one of the buttons, it will change something on the PS3 even if its not pointed at the damn thing. An IR remote isn't so touchy. I can't tell you how many times my dog has stepped on the remote and turned it on or stopped the play back.
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I have to say I'm not thrilled with the remote being bluetooth either. If you just bump one of the buttons, it will change something on the PS3 even if its not pointed at the damn thing. An IR remote isn't so touchy. I can't tell you how many times my dog has stepped on the remote and turned it on or stopped the play back.
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I have to disagree here (though I understand we all have our preferences). I LOVE that it is bluetooth (makes it much more flexible for me in terms of placement of the unit--and I wish it were so for a lot of my other gear).
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