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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
I also perfer the menu to pop up first and not have the film auto-start. I like to put in the disc and let my FP warm up for about 10 minutes before I start the film.
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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
The amount of time it takes to set up the audio when the movie auto starts is minimal. I don't bother muting when I make the change. I can handle it either way. If WB wants to auto start their films then I don't have a problem with it. It's also fine with me if other studios use a static menu before the film starts. What I hate is the reams and reams of trailers that a person has to wade through to get to the feature. Trailers should be accessible through the extras menu only. I always check what extras are available. If there is a trailer that I'm interested in then I will select it and watch it, otherwise don't waste my time making me watch trailers that I couldn't care less about. That is the one nice thing about WB's auto start: no worthless trailers to endure.
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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
Personally, I also think that the issue of needing to manually select the Dolby True HD track is going to quickly be a thing of the past. Even now, I'm noticing that more often than not the default and only available English track is either Dolby True HD or DTS Master Audio.
The only place this issue will continue to raise it's head is when the original theatrical sound mix is included. A lot of times the original mix is being put on the disc using one of the lossy formats. Unfortunately, not a lot of discs are including the original sound mix.
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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
It probably doesn't bug me quite as much as it does John, but I agree. Warner should either give us an easy way to change the audio before the movie (auto) starts or simply default to the best quality, original soundtrack.
However, I'm not too sure about a DD core being passed out for Dolby TrueHD though. I had once thought that was the case, but was told that's not how it actually works. It works that way for DTS-HD/MA w/ the DTS core, but not so sure w/ Dolby TrueHD (and whether the included DD track is actually in the "core").
Still, I suppose most players should be able to transcode Dolby TrueHD into DD for output even if it's not actually passing a core.
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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
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It probably doesn't bug me quite as much as it does John, but I agree. Warner should either give us an easy way to change the audio before the movie (auto) starts or simply default to the best quality, original soundtrack.
However, I'm not too sure about a DD core being passed out for Dolby TrueHD though. I had once thought that was the case, but was told that's not how it actually works. It works that way for DTS-HD/MA w/ the DTS core, but not so sure w/ Dolby TrueHD (and whether the included DD track is actually in the "core").
Still, I suppose most players should be able to transcode Dolby TrueHD into DD for output even if it's not actually passing a core.
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Well, I'm not sure if it is a "core" or a shadow track, but I have discs that contain only a Dolby THD track. On my system the PS3 passes those tracks as Dolby Digital 5.1. I suspect every Blu ray player does the same. There would be a lot of pissed off people if the only track on there was Dolby THD and people couldn't hear it due to an inability to downrezz.
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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
Good grief, it's not hard to access the pop-up menu, select the different audio stream, and hit chapter skip back. It takes all of 15 seconds.
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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
I don't really see any benefit to NOT having a menu pop up first, and having a lesser audio track as the default just makes no sense. Frankly, the reasons given so far against menus ("I like to jump right into a movie", "I don't mind changing the audio while the movie is playing") seem kind of weird to me. I agree with John that it is annoying to those of us who want to tweak audio, captions, and such before the movie starts.
Both of these "features" remind me of early WB DVDs, and that went away pretty quickly, IIRC. This will too, thankfully.
Why would it be any problem to have a menu come up first, just like 100% of modern DVDs? If you want to start the movie right away, just press the start button, right? I just don't see a downside to having menus first.
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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
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How are you changing audio while the disc is paused?
The pop-up menu doesn't work on my Panasonic BD50 when the disc is paused. You can access the "Top Menu" but unfortunately you can't change the audio options from there (which is another ridiculous non-feature!!)
It's a pain that (presumably) we'll have to mess around with the Matrix movies like this. I just hope they get their act together before they do anything with Lord Of The Rings!!
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It depends on whether the menus are programmed in Basic or in Java. If it's the latter you can access the menus while paused.
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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
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I just hit pause and then press menu when the WB logo appears.How are you changing audio while the disc is paused?
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The pop-up menu doesn't work on my Panasonic BD50 when the disc is paused. You can access the "Top Menu" but unfortunately you can't change the audio options from there (which is another ridiculous non-feature!!)
It's a pain that (presumably) we'll have to mess around with the Matrix movies like this. I just hope they get their act together before they do anything with Lord Of The Rings!!
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Agreed. The problem does also get worse when there are certain kinds of special features like alternate version of the film via seamless branching. When I first played I Am Legend on my PS3, I had a hard time figuring out how to play the version I actually wanted to try first -- and it also got a little confusing which one I actually ended up playing until I could compare the different alternate scenes. And I'll bet it gets even worse when titles start using lots of BD-J to control navigation and such.
There really is no excuse for making things more complicated than necessary for viewers to simply watch the movie in its best quality.
Part of the problem also comes from the various studios not standardizing on how all this works out. I find that if I want to ensure I'm watching the (right version of the) movie in its best quality, I generally need to check the settings, even if an actual change is not needed. They really should just make sure to default to the best settings (which might depend on player settings) and then also make it quick-and-easy to make any other changes as occasionally needed, eg. choose different version of the movie.
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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
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Good grief, it's not hard to access the pop-up menu, select the different audio stream, and hit chapter skip back. It takes all of 15 seconds.
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But if the menu automatically came up I wouldn't have too. If the menu automatically came up I could put in my disc walk away and go make my popcorn come back (letting the PJ warm up), select lossless and play. As it is now I have to sit, wait for the movie to start, hit pause, go make my popcorn then come back and select lossless and play.
Warner sure needs to get their shit together!
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Re: The most annoying thing about Blu-Ray (sorry, it's another Warner Bros. thing!)
I much prefer the feature starting right off, than having to wade through a mountain of trailers and warnings like are on Sleeping Beauty. I'm sorry but that is just a crime!
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But if the menu automatically came up I wouldn't have too. If the menu automatically came up I could put in my disc walk away and go make my popcorn come back (letting the PJ warm up), select lossless and play. As it is now I have to sit, wait for the movie to start, hit pause, go make my popcorn then come back and select lossless and play.
Warner sure needs to get their shit together!
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Unless lossless is the default, which means you would have to do nothing.
Maybe the ultimate solution is to make your popcorn first.
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