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9/27/08 at 9:40pm
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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They needed half the second disc's space to include the digital copy. You know, because you haven't truly seen The Dark Knight until you've seen it on a 3" iPod screen!


To be fair, the digital copies are included on their own disc, and even if they weren't they're only a few hundred megs in size, a fraction of what a Bluray disc is capable of holding.

"Because he's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now... and so we'll hunt him... because he can take it... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a DARK KNIGHT."

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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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So much for Zimmer and Howard's hope that the score would be isolated on the BD in 5.1.


Oh my goodness!! What an exciting idea! I wouldn't have thought about that but it would have made a fantastic bonus. Heck, i'd settle for Zimmer and Howard discussing the film.
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9/27/08 at 10:51pm
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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To be fair, the digital copies are included on their own disc, and even if they weren't they're only a few hundred megs in size, a fraction of what a Bluray disc is capable of holding.
I was referring to the S-DVD, not the Blu-Ray. But, now that I look at the ad again, it doesn't say the digital copy is included on the S-DVD release so perhaps my snarky comment doesn't apply to this particular title.

The digital copies I've loaded onto my laptop, however, were 1-2 GB in file size and, though I've saved them to my laptop as a novelty, I've never watched them and I still find digital copies to be rather pointless. What self-respecting movie fan wants to watch a film on a screen that small? Take it away, David Lynch:

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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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I found it completely seamless and wanted more of it, it was so beautiful and immersive. To each their own.
I was in the middle. I noticed that the AR kept switching, but it was so immersive and intense an experience I really didn't mind. The person I watched it with however didn't notice the AR change at all!
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9/27/08 at 11:48pm
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

You know, there's nothing quite like coming to the home theater forum and finding that one thread that makes you happy. ...etc. etc.....Well, you get it.

" I think it's time we go to plan B". "What's plan B?" "That's the one where we don't do something stupid".

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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

It seems people complaining about the extras are glazing over the biggest feature of them all. This is WB's first BD-Live enabled Blu-ray. This means more than likely we could see more special features on The Dark Knight via BD-Live in the future. Just to let everyone in on what BD-Live is capable of this is what Paramount recently announced for the Transformers Blu-ray...

First Transformers BD-Live Material Revealed

Paramount Home Entertainment has revealed that they will release its first BD-Live feature - a video called "Robot Ninjas' - for the 'Transformers' Blu-ray on September 30th. The video will focus entirely on the battle between Bumblebee and Barricade, showcasing home videos and animatics gathered from the film's stunt crew.

The second BD-Live feature, called "What Effing Happened in Mission City", is coming soon. It is also expected that Paramount will use the BD-Live features on 'Transformers' to promote the sequel, which is filming now.
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

Great, so instead of putting quality HD material on the HD discs, we might get to stream some internet gimmicks later on. BD-Live as an enhancement is fine, take your time studios, and figure out what to do with it. BD-Live as a replacement for quality supplementals is pathetic.

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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

WB wants Blu-ray to grow and this holiday season is the best chance especially with The Dark Knight. It seems they are going to go the route of trying to get people to switch over by having exclusive extras for the Blu-ray via BD-Live in the future.
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

So why not release a single disc SD-DVD now, and the 2-disc DVD and Blu-ray in December, so we can still watch it now?

Gives us something to snack on!

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9/28/08 at 9:22am
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

So, I was obvious that the SD-DVD was going to get a two tiered release, but didn't this paticular film make quite enought money.


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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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So, I was obvious that the SD-DVD was going to get a two tiered release, but didn't this paticular film make quite enought money.
In Hollywood, I don't think there is a film that has made enough money to them.

" I think it's time we go to plan B". "What's plan B?" "That's the one where we don't do something stupid".

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9/28/08 at 9:58pm
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

If this Blu-ray were $99.99 I would still buy it.
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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If this Blu-ray were $99.99 I would still buy it.

That's not even funny, Tim.

But it's definitely a very bad message to be sending to any studio heads who might be checking in here!

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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

Good point Mike! ...oh well, they know we are SUCKERS!
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

Sad, but true.

There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!

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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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For "Knight's" Blu-ray incarnation, the director said he was able to approximate the changing aspect ratios of the film's Imax edition. The sections shot in 35mm will play in a letterboxed format, and for the Imax sequences, the image will expand to fill the entire widescreen. While that doesn't capture the complete Imax image, "it still gives us more of the way it was projected in Imax," Nolan said.

Well, I'm probably in the minority here, but I m not excited about the changing aspect ratios. I have always used black mattes to block out the bars on stuff that was wider than 1.85:1. I have found this practice really make the picture "pop" and creates a much more imersive experience in my HT.

Doesn't look like I'll be able to use the mattes with this film.

I've also had problems using the mattes when subtitles appear below the 2.35:1 frame.

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9/30/08 at 7:14am
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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For "Knight's" Blu-ray incarnation, the director said he was able to approximate the changing aspect ratios of the film's Imax edition. The sections shot in 35mm will play in a letterboxed format, and for the Imax sequences, the image will expand to fill the entire widescreen. While that doesn't capture the complete Imax image, "it still gives us more of the way it was projected in Imax," Nolan said.



At this point I am not sure I will be to crazy about the aspect ratio changing. I will however have to wait and see after I have viewed the blu-ray edition. I think it would have been better if they would have just offered the IMAX framed version of the movie through out the entire movie. I however would not be surprised if Batman: Dark Knight ends up being one of my favorite movies, changing aspect ratio or not.

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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

I think they should give us the choice thru a seamless branching type thing, whether we wanted the changing AR or not.

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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

Oh my god.....
Did you all read what Bill Hunt from DVD Digital Bits had posted?
The Blu-Ray picture will constantly change from a 2,40:1 frame to a 1,78:1 frame.
It will be a mixture.
On the contrary, the DVD will be constantly in a 2,40:1 frame.
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

Um, yeah... That's what I was just talking about in my last two posts, though I didn't refer to Mr. Hunt.

Anyway. I don't like it.

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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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At this point I am not sure I will be to crazy about the aspect ratio changing. I will however have to wait and see after I have viewed the blu-ray edition. I think it would have been better if they would have just offered the IMAX framed version of the movie through out the entire movie. I however would not be surprised if Batman: Dark Knight ends up being one of my favorite movies, changing aspect ratio or not.

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They can't offer IMAX framed version all the way through because he only shot a few select scenes in IMAX. When I saw it in IMAX I'd say less than 10% of the movie is in IMAX.

That said, my friend hardly noticed the switching at all, and I did but wasn't bothered by it or taken out of the movie by it. Of course this was on an IMAX screen of epic size, so perhaps my tune will change on my 60" TV. That said, the change in aspect ratio won't be as huge. Instead of going from 1.44 to 2.35 and back, it will be 1.78 to 2.35. I did notice a lot of dead space in the top and bottom of the IMAX frames, so perhaps trimming a bit of top and bottom information from those scenes might actually help the presentation (in comparison of course to the IMAX presentation, not the consistent 2.35 presentation).

Not a deal breaker for me, but choice is always good and I wish they'd given us the choice.
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9/30/08 at 10:54am
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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Um, yeah... That's what I was just talking about in my last two posts, though I didn't refer to Mr. Hunt.

Anyway. I don't like it.

I remember you mentioning having mattes and the difficulties with the non-anamorphic Star Wars trilogy.

While I can certainly understand why some people won't like it - be it screen configuration or personal preference, it is the director's intended presentation - something we can all agree is what is best for the films we enjoy.

I welcome the shifting AR, because I truly enjoyed the IMAX version and want to recapture that - albeit in MUCH smaller form - on Blu-ray. Considering the TDK prologue and how well it translated to 1.78:1, this will be a very nice visual treat.
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

Yeah Nicholas, every once in awhile something pops up that screws with my matte system! As for the director's vision... I just want the one I saw in a non-IMAX theater. Still, not a deal breaker for me either, but I wish I could get both versions in Blu.

Good memory, btw!

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Thanks. It was always something I found interesting, because it would recreate a theatrical experience more realistically because the in-film borders wouldn't be seen. Unless you've got a pitch-black room and a Pioneer Elite, the borders are always noticeably visible because they don't blend in completely.

Seamless branching should have been the way to go - the added capacity of the disc would have meant no issues with compression at all. The DVD version could also do this, but space does become an issue there when the film is as long as it is.
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

Ric, rather than using mattes, I simply watch the movies in the dark. LOL
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I like the artwork on the single disc DVD MUCH, MUCH better that Batman on the Batpod cover for the 2-disc and Blu-ray. *sigh*
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

Nicholas and Mike,
I do watch in a completely dark room! Probably the reason I can see the bars! I am curious as to whether one of those Pioneer Kuro sets would make the mattes obsolete!

I have just been reading up on some HTs that have a fixed height screen and remote mattes that widen and close to the proper ratio (like a real theater). The lens on the projector has an animorphic lens that swings over the regular lens. I imagine this Blu-ray would be a nightmare for those folks. Granted, there's probably only about 20 of them in the country!

Oh, and I completely agree on the cover art! The single DVD version is much better!

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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

I saw the film originally in an IMAX theater and the AR switching at that time wasn't terribly noticable. I mean, I did notice each time it occurred, but it wasn't distracting. ON a smaller screen, though, I'm not so sure. I do agree that it should at least be an option. In the end though, it sure ain't gonna stop me from buying it.
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Re: WHV Announcement: The Dark Knight (DVD/Blu-ray)

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Nicholas and Mike,
I do watch in a completely dark room! Probably the reason I can see the bars! I am curious as to whether one of those Pioneer Kuro sets would make the mattes obsolete!

Last year I spent 4 months (temporary position for training) as a high-end HT installer, and the vast majority of the sets I was dealing with were Elites (we never called them by their promotional name Kuro) and I can say with 100% certainty that the black levels were pitch perfect. Watching a 2.35:1 film on an Elite meant that the borders blended in seamlessly with the television's bezel, with no noticeable difference in the shade of black. They were THAT perfect. From standing right up almost touching the screen with my nose, to several feet away, I could not see where the bezel ended and the border began!

In other words, yes your mattes would be useless.

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Nice! Can't wait until I can talk the wife into getting one. They should be several thousand dollars cheaper by then! I'd love to see one in action.

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