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"TB is certainly no Deadwood and it ain't no Carnivale"

Nothing is as good as Deadwood and Carnivale's second season was so strong it was heartbreaking to see it get axed.

For a show about vampires, the vampire angle is the weakest link here. Every time they show up - they look ridiculous. The guy who plays Bill was really good in ep2. I could have watched the conversation with him and the grandmother for a hour. I thought it was a much stronger episode than the first, which I didnt like at all.

Im really kind of indifferent to the show. Sorry, but Ill never forgive them for killing Deadwood(As Seth Gecko said "You cant make it up to me").

What Im waiting for is the second season of Californication (which Im kind of worried about). And Ive GOT to start catching Mad Men regularly.


And yea it needs more Zydeco music.
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Rome may not have performed to the high levels that HBO was hoping for and frankly needing due to the huge budget but it did have a pretty good following.

As an avid watcher of Rome (and the commentary on this site that went along with it), I really don't get why some people look at what happened negatively. Rome was originally intended to run as a miniseries, not a series. Due to popular demand, HBO gave it a longer life (S2) than anticipated, while cutting back some of the cost. I thank them for giving me a S2 of a show I loved rather than condemn them for not giving me a S3.

I do get why fans of Deadwood and Carnivale were disappointed.

I just watched episode 2 of True Blood and while I like the show, I do agree the Vampires look campy and silly when they show up. Upon reading that comment, I realized I like the vampire angle a whole lot more than I like the specific vampires we've seen.

Sookie sure shows a lot of skin in this show.

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I believe that traditionally you have to drink the blood of the vampire who bit you for you to become one yourself.

Ask Jim Carrey in Once Bitten
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. Sorry, but Ill never forgive them for killing Deadwood(As Seth Gecko said "You cant make it up to me").



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We watched the first two episodes last night and so far it is take it or leave it, we'll still watch but I hope it gets better, Six Feet Under it is not.
The one thing that bothers me about all of Alan Ball's shows is the reoccuring homosexual references, I know he is gay but please can he make one show without overdoing it? American Beauty had a closeted Chris Cooper which didn't ruin the movie, S.F.U. had David which didn't ruin the series, but already there are have been several references in two episodes that will wear thin if continued: during the opening montages, there is a sign that says "God hates fangs" take out the n in fangs and there is the slang and someone was discussing vampires "coming out of the coffin two years ago", cute but lets be real here. I am no homo-phobe, I have two great friends who are gay.
OK, rant over, let the shelling begin.....

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HBO already renews. Where was this kind of love for the much superior Carnivale.. the second season of that show is one of the creepiest, fiercest things I've ever seen. Killer mythos in that thing. Maybe something really starts clicking later in this first season that made HBO buy in so early. Or maybe they are just desperate considering how freaking good Dexter is in comparison to anything HBO has going on.

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The one thing that bothers me about all of Alan Ball's shows is the reoccuring homosexual references, I know he is gay but please can he make one show without overdoing it?
This is an important theme of the books, so he'd be deviating in a very significant way from the author's vision if he diminished that angle. In the making of doc on HBO he said it's his aim to make a series that he likes, and hope that the public does too. Since he's gay, this theme of the books would appeal to him and I can't see him dropping it.

This is an issue our society is currently struggling with and True Blood and the source books are one reflection of that. I expect it to be there at some level for most of the series. Asking Ball to drop this issue in this series would be like asking Mr. Rogers not to wear his sweater

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The one thing that bothers me about all of Alan Ball's shows is the reoccuring homosexual references, I know he is gay but please can he make one show without overdoing it?
Maybe it's just me but I think they're drawing a parallel between vampires and racism rather than prejudice against gay people. I'm not saying that there's no gay parallel but I just find the racism parallel more upfront.

The shorts they made for the BloodCopy website drew heavy parallels between gay people and vampires though. They're also laughably heavy handed and I'm glad the show doesn't go that route.
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Maybe it's just me but I think they're drawing a parallel between vampires and racism rather than prejudice against gay people. I'm not saying that there's no gay parallel but I just find the racism parallel more upfront


I can see that as well, and I wasn't aware that the books had the references also. Maybe I was a little out of line but, no matter, once Californication and Dexter return, T.B. will be DVR'ed and watched whenever time allows.

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HBO already renews. Where was this kind of love for the much superior Carnivale.. the second season of that show is one of the creepiest, fiercest things I've ever seen. Killer mythos in that thing. Maybe something really starts clicking later in this first season that made HBO buy in so early. Or maybe they are just desperate considering how freaking good Dexter is in comparison to anything HBO has going on.

Breaking News - HBO RENEWS TRUE BLOOD, NEW SERIES FROM "SIX FEET UNDER" CREATOR ALAN BALL, FOR SECOND SEASON, WITH PRODUCTION TO BEGIN EARLY NEXT YEAR | TheFutonCritic.com

Agree on all points. Carnivale did get a second season, so...
I'm with everyone on Deadwood and Carnivale. Perhaps they ran out of good history for Deadwood, but Carnivale's good vs evil was just too quality for TV? Perhaps the Preacher was too much for good ol' American Right Wing aHls. Who knows

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Show seems to be getting, "earthier".

"Is this all on account of that little blond breather?"

"No one would know us there."

-Far From Heaven- (2002)

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It's getting much better. I'm glad I didn't bail - so far.

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As an avid watcher of Rome (and the commentary on this site that went along with it), I really don't get why some people look at what happened negatively. Rome was originally intended to run as a miniseries, not a series. Due to popular demand, HBO gave it a longer life (S2) than anticipated, while cutting back some of the cost. I thank them for giving me a S2 of a show I loved rather than condemn them for not giving me a S3.


As I understand it and remember from Earl Brown's posts on the deadwood forum on the HBO boards HBO needed 'band of brothers' type of viewership and DVD sales out of Rome for it to be a success. When it didn't they canceled their show with the second biggest budget in deadwood and kept Rome going in order to get in the black. Frankly that was probably the worst decision they've made in recent history, imho HBO has yet to recover from losing deadwood. Maybe not money wise; I have no idea on that front but definitely on the creative side. HBO used to be known as the leader in creative, edgy TV. Now with stuff like Dexter, Californication and Weeds Showtime has definitely taken up that mantle. With The Wire gone, Deadwood long dead and buried HBO seriously needs True Blood to be a hit for them to keep their 'street cred' up.

As for 'why the love' for True Blood... well lots of people really dug on Carnivale, a show that I also liked but for me one of HBO's greatest works was six feet under. With Alan Ball at the helm I'm more than interested to see what sort of direction this is going to go in.
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I watched the two episodes. I think it's just awful.

The point is so labored, that a "minority" might be discriminated against, in this case, vampires. All others are fine, be they white, black, homosexual, whatever.

And lets set it in the "redneck" south, so stereotypes are on full display.

Whenever the actors are wearing fangs, they are forced to lisp.

It's a terrible show.
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Still fun for me and when Bill worked his Mojo on the cop I couldn't help but think of this 31 year old conversation:

Stormtrooper: Let me see your identification.
Obi-Wan: [with a small wave of his hand] You don't need to see his identification.
Stormtrooper: We don't need to see his identification.
Obi-Wan: These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Stormtrooper: These aren't the droids we're looking for.
Obi-Wan: He can go about his business.
Stormtrooper: You can go about your business.
Obi-Wan: Move along.
Stormtrooper: Move along... move along.


The results of the V juice overdose were also a hoot.

"No one would know us there."

-Far From Heaven- (2002)

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I like the show, not as much as Deadwood, or even Carnivale, but I still enjoy watching it. I don't think True Blood will be Deadwood(IMO, behind The Wire as GOAT), but still good enough to watch.

Sookies brother cracks me up, they guy is such an idiot.

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I like this show. There is one thing that I'm not quite buying. The whole Vampire= Racism/Homophobia thing

In the context of the world of True Blood.

With issues of Racism and Homophobia we are dealing with other human beings.They deserve to be treated with the same rights as anyone else who is a human being because we are all humans and we should all treat each other as equal.

Vampires are not human. They are predators. It is in there nature to feed on humans. They are not equal to humans.

A perfect example form list night's Ep. Bill was able to manipulate the officer into doing pretty much what he wanted him to do. A human could never do this let alone an African American.

If I lived in that world I would probably be the head of an Anti -Vampire group. Being a person of African American decent I just don't by that whole comparison. It doesn't ring true.

I still like the show though.

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Who are you to say that they aren't human? Were they not all born human? How is their affliction all that different from any of the real ones people face every day. So what if they have a limited amount of control over the weak minded, a lot of people in real life already do. And it's not like there aren't trade offs...sunlight for instance.

"Because he's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now... and so we'll hunt him... because he can take it... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a DARK KNIGHT."

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I'm liking the show so far. Not crazy about it, but watchable.

huh?


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So what if they have a limited amount of control over the weak minded, a lot of people in real life already do.
I would think that human society expects them to not use that ability. All people have the ability to kill or rob other people but we don't do it and I don't see the vampires' Jedi mind trick as much different.
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The point is that what separated vampires from humans has been eliminated in the public's mind by the synthesis of True Blood. You say they aren't human because they are predators and it is in their nature to feed on humans. The point of the show is that the public does not believe that that is a difference any more. The public is wrong, as we've started to see. But the premise is that it is a world where vamps and humans can coexist. If you don't buy it, I don't know what to tell you. It's the basic premise of the show. As for comparing vamps to other minorities or protected classes, there have been a few references that with the coming out of vamps, there is less talk about other classes. All of the classes have found another class to hate and so they've forgotten much of their differences. That rings pretty true to me.
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Who are you to say that they aren't human? Were they not all born human? How is their affliction all that different from any of the real ones people face every day. So what if they have a limited amount of control over the weak minded, a lot of people in real life already do. And it's not like there aren't trade offs...sunlight for instance.

Um, yeah. The moment you have near immortality, you have lived off killing people to survive.. and as we saw in Episode 1 you can make what appears to be a "tornado" appear destroying trailer parks.. yeah, you aren't human then.
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Um, yeah. The moment you have near immortality, you have lived off killing people to survive.. and as we saw in Episode 1 you can make what appears to be a "tornado" appear destroying trailer parks.. yeah, you aren't human then.

Biologically, I wouldn't consider a disease that stops you from dieing all that different from one that kills you. Some people might find the idea that their hearts pump no blood through their veins inhuman, but how is the loss of this muscle any different from the loss of an arm or a leg? Does that make you inhuman?

And we've seen clearly that simply being a vampire does not make you evil, assuming it does is the very definition of racism, regardless if some vamps actually are evil.

They need not kill us to survive either, even without Trublood.

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Who are you to say that they aren't human? Were they not all born human? How is their affliction all that different from any of the real ones people face every day. So what if they have a limited amount of control over the weak minded, a lot of people in real life already do. And it's not like there aren't trade offs...sunlight for instance.

Vampires are the undead. They do not breathe nor do they have the need to consume food.

It is their nature to feed on human blood. They may have the synthetic substitute but it's all ready been implied that given the choice there is no substitute for human blood when it comes to a vampire.

The next time you get pulled over try that "Jedi Mind Trick" on the police officer. See if he is weak minded. Especially if your African American.... That ought to work out real well for ya.

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Biologically, I wouldn't consider a disease that stops you from dieing all that different from one that kills you. Some people might find the idea that their hearts pump no blood through their veins inhuman, but how is the loss of this muscle any different from the loss of an arm or a leg? Does that make you inhuman?

Um, yeah, but the super power that allowed him to destroy a trailer and fake it to make it appear as though it was a tornado? Or the fact that they've already referred to some vampires as having the ability of tranmography? (ability to change forms).. I don't know, those kind of things, along with his ability to move so fast he startles Sookie by seemingly appearing out of nowhere.. those would tend to make you "non-human". Or, I should say, more then human.

More then then that, I get the point above that any comparison or tie to show Vampires are treated as racist or comparable to homophobia is terrible. African Americans & Gay people never had super powers, and their sex acts, as we saw in the video taped sex in Episode 1, don't turn any human into some demonic "thing" that virtually rapes and beats those they are with.

Is having no heartbeat the same as a disease.. maybe, even though I find that kind of a stretch. But the other factors we've already seen pretty well establish them as non-human.

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The next time you get pulled over try that "Jedi Mind Trick" on the police officer. See if he is weak minded. Especially if your African American.... That ought to work out real well for ya.

I hear the whole ripping the gun away from a police officer and telling him you intend to keep it worked real well for opressed minorities over the years
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Vampires are the undead. They do not breathe nor do they have the need to consume food.

It is their nature to feed on human blood. They may have the synthetic substitute but it's all ready been implied that given the choice there is no substitute for human blood when it comes to a vampire.

The next time you get pulled over try that "Jedi Mind Trick" on the police officer. See if he is weak minded. Especially if your African American.... That ought to work out real well for ya.

I was just re-reading this and it comes across as kind of harsh. It wan't meant to be. Please take it within the spirit of the discussion. No hard feels are meant.

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I think the show is big on trying to get the tones across that there are a big slice of Vampires that are trying to "Mainstream" as Bill is, but there are a great number of vampires who look down upon them and still prefer to feed on normal humans - like the guy that was killed in the bathroom at Fangtasia.
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X-Men tackled this in both the comics and the films, using Mutants as a metaphor for racism.

In that universe you have homosapiens(nonpowered humans) and homosuperior(humans empowered through mutation). Both consider themselves to be human, with Mutants feeling persecuted because of their gifts.

However it seems that alot of the vampires on this show dont consider themselves to be human. Bill emphasized this in a conversation with Sookie.However you can argue forever and ever about "what is it that makes us human".



As for the show - eh. I dont think alot of the scenes work and come off as really silly.
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jonz, i take it ur an anna p. fan, this series must be a H00T for ya =D.

i was surprised to hear a film star coming to TV =P.

the very last ep's ending was cREEPY! =P

to the edge of eternity and depth of infinity, stupidity knows no bound.

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She looks very thin though. Im not sure what Sookie is like in the books, but seems to me they asked her to loose a few pounds.

I've gotten used to the blonde hair but really thinks she looks much better with some extra weight on her.
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