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technically we dont see the demon =P. is sam a werewolf officially or just animus shape shifter =P.
sookie is like 'the one' that is why bill is protecting her from the lycans... oh wait... wrong franchise >P
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wait...
i COULD HAVE SWORN that i remember seeing Sam WITH the dog? how is that possible? was i dreaming? was it just Bill and the Dog then? i could have sworn.... maybe i'm getting old >P
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i COULD HAVE SWORN that i remember seeing Sam WITH the dog? how is that possible? was i dreaming? was it just Bill and the Dog then? i could have sworn.... maybe i'm getting old >P
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There is more than one??? I was wondering the same thing but this is how I explain it right now.
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I had to LOL when Sam goes back into the bar, and out comes the dog, zipping past the cop asking about his faux nudist past. And then Sam's modesty (looking away) comes into play. Too funny.
Is Amy really a psycho, or just really into V (no matter what the cost)? I'm up for any of those V scenes, though. Has Jason gotten some in every episode so far?
Awesome vamp stakeage and death (no poof and ashes in this world).
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ah ok, then both brothers are transformers =P. that makes more sense. the brother hauling the beer into the back of the merllote
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What a bummer....and no skin.
Still, one of my favorite series.
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The tension of the "Making" was ramped up with Ivanek's appearance.
So who is killing all those women? We finally get a glimpse of the perp.
I really hope there is some pay-off to Tara's subplot because it's a serious drag on the show.
I bet Jason never thought Amy would stake the vamp (nasty icky "death" on the stakeage).
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I really dug the Tara & her Mom plot once the "demon" material came into play. And I loved how that and the exorcist all turned out to be bullshit. Tara on her own isn't working quite that well.
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it's quite cliche but i always liked this show's 'time-honored' act of teeth penetrating the skin of the vampire sucking as equivalent to sex. they showed it when bill does it the real sex, and then bites her, now they are showing what it is to 'rape' someone's life so to speak.
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Can anybody explain why vampires are attempting to integrate with society when they're all under the jurisdiction of a vampire who thinks humans are a lower life form and basically undeserving of life outside of servicing vampires? I'm not understanding who is pushing the desire for integration from the vampire side. It certainly doesn't seem like they'd have vamp blessing.
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I don't think he's the head vamp...more like the chief law enforcer. Big difference between what politicians and generals believe and do.
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Even if the scenario you outline is true, it still doesn't appear he's a rogue. It strike me that every vamp (including any "political vamps") knows exactly where he stands. Thus, if there were some politician with more power, he wouldn't likely leave this vamp in charge of discipline or law. I could go on, but I just don't see any clear picture for who is pushing the integration agenda given what we've seen in this last episode. Bill had NO ONE he could go to for any kind of recourse or protection. NO ONE who would step forward and say humans are people too. At best, what we got was the local head vamp saying Sookie is special. But forget sookie. What about that poor girl Bill is charged with changing. Certainly there's no way at all anyone can consider that action aceptable while trying to "integrate". If humans had the first idea of anything like that going on, integration would be completely off the table. If anything, I see the integration as no more than the same type of integration going on in the "V" miniseries. I thought maybe this might be touched on more in the books and I certainly wouldn't mind finding out (in spoiler tags) as it's confusing an otherwise understandable story for me.
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I haven't read the books, but from what I've gleaned from the series, my take is this...
I think those who want to "integrate" are relatively few.... the series has shown again and again that Bill is definitly in the minority among the vampires. Practically every vampire he encounters chides him for his attempt to integrate into human society. It's no surprise that the elected and/or appointed "leaders" don't subscribe to the change either.
I think this mirrors all of the instances throughout history when a certain society goes through a major change. For instance, the integration of African-Americans in the South during the 1950s and 1960s.
Even in those days of rampant, outward racisim toward Blacks, there were a minority of Southern whites who favored integration... and they were constantly harassed by their fellow citizens and certainly the elected leaders who wanted no part of the coming changes.
In another parallel, Bill is a relatively "young" vampire. The only vampire we've seen so far who is "younger" than Bill was the Stephen Root character, who was also clearly trying to integrate.
As is usually the case, the "younger" are more willing to make the change becasue the "older" or more established in society have (from their perspective) the most to lose by changing the status quo.
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any1 read the book care to chime in without completely spoiling the ending? =P
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In the example of Whites and Blacks in the South of the 50's, blacks were the minority and wanted to "integrate" for vast variety of equal rights. They did not (for the most part) consider themselves better than whites. If vampires would be the parallel of those 50's blacks in the example given, the comparison doesn't hold up because the vamps clearly think they are superior and don't need anything from the humans but their blood (the way we might think all we need from cows is their meat and skin/leather).
If vamp society at large thinks they're better than humans, I've lost my understanding of the integration initiative. It'd seem to me the first vamp (or group of vamps) that broke the secrecy of the previous existence would be snuffed out by the rest and things buried again as they'd been for hundreds (thousands?) of years. I don't see them just letting these vamps appear on TV and gathering so much steam as to result in a vampire's rights amendment initiative.
I thought maybe there is something in the books that speaks to why the vampires (who clearly -- as a society -- think they're superior) want to integrate with humans. And how in the world can humans not realize that vamps are still out there feeding on us? Or that they have a head (in some capacity) vamp with a huge following, who thinks of humans as nothing more than cattle? No human congress I know would even entertain the thought of a VRA in such an environment.
I don't mean to nitpick the show, or even this one aspect of the show, but it's something really sticking in my craw right now. I've assumed maybe I missed something. Heck, I hope I did as I like the show.
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In the example of Whites and Blacks in the South of the 50's, blacks were the minority and wanted to "integrate" for vast variety of equal rights. They did not (for the most part) consider themselves better than whites. If vampires would be the parallel of those 50's blacks in the example given, the comparison doesn't hold up because the vamps clearly think they are superior and don't need anything from the humans but their blood (the way we might think all we need from cows is their meat and skin/leather).
If vamp society at large thinks they're better than humans, I've lost my understanding of the integration initiative. It'd seem to me the first vamp (or group of vamps) that broke the secrecy of the previous existence would be snuffed out by the rest and things buried again as they'd been for hundreds (thousands?) of years. I don't see them just letting these vamps appear on TV and gathering so much steam as to result in a vampire's rights amendment initiative.
I thought maybe there is something in the books that speaks to why the vampires (who clearly -- as a society -- think they're superior) want to integrate with humans. And how in the world can humans not realize that vamps are still out there feeding on us? Or that they have a head (in some capacity) vamp with a huge following, who thinks of humans as nothing more than cattle? No human congress I know would even entertain the thought of a VRA in such an environment.
I don't mean to nitpick the show, or even this one aspect of the show, but it's something really sticking in my craw right now. I've assumed maybe I missed something. Heck, I hope I did as I like the show.
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Why is it so clear that they as a society think they're superior and wouldn't want to integrate, because you've seen groups of like minded Vampires congregate? Would you think a vampire would have an accurate idea of humanity if all he based it on was the Republican National Convention?
On the flip side virtually all the humans on the show are intolerant of Vampires except for Sookie, but I bet it's easier to imagine a large unseen population of humans willing to accept Vampires.
From a practical stance I think their integration is a matter of survival. They've talked about their numbers being low, realistically it would be hard for an entire race to remain hidden in the modern world, and the fact is if it came down to a war between humans and Vampires, humans would win. We've got numbers and the Sun on our side.
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It's a matter of pragmatism: Vamps are outnumbered. If the humans were to mobilize and treat vamps as a clear and present danger, then a concerted effort to stake as many vamps as necessary would make being a vamp a real pain to simply exist in the world. Who wants to go through "life" having to be on full alert all the time?
By trying to go "legit", the vamps seek to use "True Blood" to ease the fears of humans being feedbags for vamps. It makes existing in society an easier proposition. Vamps need humans, much moreso than humans, who don't really have need for vamps, except for the V-junkies, which the show takes great pains to illustrate the depths that those hooked on V will do to repeat such highs.
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I'll let that percolate for awhile. During the 60's (and earlier), there were the MLK's of the world, but there were also the By-Any-Means-Necessary early Malcolm X. I can see that white society would be nervous about integrating with a Malcolm X of those times while being more open to integrating with a MLK of those times.
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Understood. The cat's out of the bag now, but I am referring to events before the beginning of the TV show. At that point, it would seem their best course of action would be to stay hidden as they've done for so long, not "come out" and try to integrate. There'd be no mass initiative to stake them all if folks didn't know about them. It sounds like the books didn't go into it.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback.
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do vampires require human blood to survive (let's take true blood out of the equation).
i mean if vamps are immortal, they don't need to feed right?
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