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9/18/08 at 10:19am
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Re: Bones, season 4

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They did a dog fighting episode of CSI just last season. The writers of that episode won some sort of animal/humane society/something-or-other award for it.

I remembered that, and was trying to think if other shows covered it. Seems a pretty 'hot' topic for crime shows.

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I found the ending coda cringeworthy in their attempts to humanize Bones.

What I found cringeworthy was Brennan attributing human morals and motives to an animal. - "He didn't want to attack a human; he was just trying to please his master."

I do like that they didn't tie up the episode with a pretty bow, and while sad that the poor dog was put down, it was more believeable.

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BTW, Angela and Hodgins are being ridiculous with this whole thing.

Actually, right now it seems they're being very mature. In real life, one of them (most likely Angela) would quit and move away. On TV they usually have the 2 totally avoiding each other, or fighting. Here, at least, they focus on the job, and for a moment, remember what they truly feel for each other.

And on that note, I thought the Sweets and Hodgins 'session' at the end was perfect. Add in the funny, but serious, part about Parker, and Dr. Sweets worked very well in that episode. He was shown in this episode as a true professional. This is where the character works the best.
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Re: Bones, season 4

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And on that note, I thought the Sweets and Hodgins 'session' at the end was perfect. Add in the funny, but serious, part about Parker, and Dr. Sweets worked very well in that episode. He was shown in this episode as a true professional. This is where the character works the best.

I completely agree. Most realistic use of him I've seen. The entire exchange of "I hate everyone" "That's good/normal" was so fitting & perfect.

I agree, also that in the real world, one would probably buckle and leave. But I also think they both love their jobs, and are holding out for the other. Either they will reconcile or not, but I'm not as off-put about the whole thing as others are.

Hodgins is at a wierd stage in his life where his best friend is now in prison, and so he doubts everything. And vice-versa. Neither of them are sure about anything and they freaked out. I found that conclusion more "buyable" then the other options out there.
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9/18/08 at 10:32am
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Re: Bones, season 4

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BTW, Angela and Hodgins are being ridiculous with this whole thing.
Are they? I thought the episode was refreshingly (almost) devoid of their nonsense. Hodgen's issues were dealt with tastefully and with humour. Then there was that one look between them and that was it. It could have been MUCH worse. We've only had 2 eps since they broke up, and the writers have wisely refrained from beating us over the head with whatever tension must now exist between them, I think. I don't even think the matter was brought up at all in the 3rd episode. I have NO interest whatsoever in that aspect of the story.

As someone who doesn't share the infatuation many have for animals, I find this sort of episode frankly irritating. And the idea that I would bestow my family's name, my father's name on an animal was just too much for me.

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Re: Bones, season 4

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I remembered that, and was trying to think if other shows covered it. Seems a pretty 'hot' topic for crime shows.

The Michael Vick thing made it a hot topic generally. Don't forget, we're probably still seeing story premises that were somewhere in the pipeline before the strike last year and which are only being finished now.

I liked Hodges in this episode, didn't see anything wrong with how Anglea reacted and really liked Sweets for a change. (Especially when he did such a bad job of lying about being bullied by a girl when he was a kid. )


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9/18/08 at 11:18am
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Re: Bones, season 4

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And the idea that I would bestow my family's name, my father's name on an animal was just too much for me.

Most people who own pet's come to regard them as part of the family and so they lovingly give the animal their last name.

I have a cat named Tom and when I go outside to call him in and he doesn't come i'll routinley yell out "Tom Williamson, get your furry ass in here now!" and he usually comes runnin' lol.

It's a sign of affection more than anything and there's nothing either crazy or wrong with it despite what your implying.
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It's a sign of affection more than anything and there's nothing either crazy or wrong with it despite what your implying.
There is to me. Assigning my family name to an animal is just about the most insulting and degrading things you could do to that name (and thus to my family.) Let's chalk it up to a cultural difference and leave it at that.

I am OK with others doing whatever they want with their family names . I just wanted to provide a different perspective.

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Re: Bones, season 4

Well, when I took my cats into the vet, they assigned my last name to each of their first names for their records, so there you go.

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Re: Bones, season 4

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Well, when I took my cats into the vet, they assigned my last name to each of their first names for their records, so there you go.

My two Schnoodles have my last name assigned to them for the same purpose.

Then again, I hate my last name (Lashley, "Martin" is actually my middle name) so I could care less about degrading it, though this situation simply doesn't qualify.
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Re: Bones, season 4

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As someone who doesn't share the infatuation many have for animals, I find this sort of episode frankly irritating. And the idea that I would bestow my family's name, my father's name on an animal was just too much for me.

I don't understand this attitude either. Anyway, isn't "Brennan" an alias her father just made up?
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Re: Bones, season 4

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Well, when I took my cats into the vet, they assigned my last name to each of their first names for their records, so there you go.

Same here. I have a relative who's a vet, and that's how they did it also. For a long time, he had tons of dogs who would come in with generic "Rover" "Snoopy" type names, so they began assigning them last names so they'd know who the owner was.

I understand Holadem's dislike of it, but it is a fairly common practice, out of necessity as much as anything else.
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9/19/08 at 9:14am
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Re: Bones, season 4

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I don't understand this attitude either. Anyway, isn't "Brennan" an alias her father just made up?

I'm with Holadem on this one, and am glad he wrote it. On a show that deals with murder, on a weekly basis, and often, very VIOLENT murders, the most sympathy in the episode is given to the dog. Not to the human who was literally, ripped apart by said dog, and left to die a slow death by bleeding out, but to the dog that was put down, a lot less painlessly.

Now, granted, the dog wasn't acting on its own volition, but on its master's, who certainly deserve our most heated scorn. But this episode does show, as Holadem bravely points out, that too often in this country people value the lives of animals just as much as people. And too often, they value animal life more than people's, and that, to me, is sad.
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Re: Bones, season 4

I'll be equally as brave, a good part of the time I like animals more than I do most people.

Controversial? Probably but just letting you know where I stand on the subject.

And yes, I value the lives of animals just as much as I do people and why shouldn't I? They're alive, we're alive, they feel pain, we feel pain, should I care less about them simply because they can't speak and aren't as intelligent?

Sorry, this is a hot topic for me and one of my pet peeves in regards to how society thinks it's okay to abuse and kill animals and it doesn't matter, they're the one's who condone atrocious acts such as dog/cock fighting and I certaintly hope the one's taking Holadem's stance at least thinks those types of acts are wrong.

Dropping the subject now, apologies but I tend to get angry and I lose my ability to be objective when talking about this so it's best that I bail out until next weeks ep when we'll be, hopefully, talking about something else in this thread.
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9/19/08 at 9:59am
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Re: Bones, season 4

John; If it helps, I am with you on this. But you are right that this would be a very un-welcomed subject matter here I am sure.

Back to the episode:

I don't think they were trying to imply anything by having Bones get emotional over the Dog being put down other than to show she does actually have some emotions.

I thought it showed a lot that she, while in the middle of this emotional turmoil, thought enough to tell Booth he was a good father. She is slowly getting more an more "human" as the years go by. This is a good progression. I was getting sort of tired of her complete lack of human social skills she had in the first season. I am glad she is evolving. She would never have even cared at all about the dogs in the first season.

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9/20/08 at 8:52am
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Re: Bones, season 4

This issue of animal life over human life is so common all over the news as well, as though hurting/killing an animal regardless of what it did is worse than hurting/killing a person. That's how people seem to think, I suppose.
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That former used car salesman is lucky he didn't end up with a shrunken head!
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Re: Bones, season 4

While it was great to see Zach back again I was more than a little surprised that Booth didn't haul him right back to the nuthouse the instant he found out he escaped, it was just very unBooth-like.

How do you guys feel about the reveal that Zach didn't do it afterall? It was nice to hear but at the same time could this be a case of the show back peddling a little bit?

Personally I don't care, I would like him to come back to the team again, I miss that whole dynamic that they all had together and we got a little of back tonight.
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9/24/08 at 7:34pm
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I'll take a back pedal any day. I hate-Hate-HATED the season 3 finale, and wish it never happened. If this is some faint attempt to fix that and eventually bring Millegan back, I'm all for it.


P.S.

The ANGEL/Buffy guest casting continues once again, as the 'confessed killer' (the guy who refused to touch the mud and wanted Booth to sterilize his handcuffs before using them) was the "Pee-Pee Demon" seen in season 5 of ANGEL. Once again, oddly enough in his underwear in both series.
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9/24/08 at 8:27pm
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I agree. It would be a bit of a cop-out, but I think I could live with it. I like Zach and wouldn't mind seeing him come back.

I actually think it would be fine to have him stay in the nut house but still help out on a case now and then. That would also work.

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9/25/08 at 3:00am
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Re: Bones, season 4

For some reason, Zach with black gloves gave him this funny look while he was looking through the photos. So they cracked the door to bring Zach back on a semi-regular basis, but I don't think they can bring him back on a regular basis, but if the writers could work out something that truly absolved Zach of his bizarre apprenticeship, perhaps he could return to the Jeffersonian. Now, does Sweets and Zach's conversation remove Sweets as a suspect who could have been working with the Master?

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I'm betting there were enough fans that were upset with season 3's finale that they've began to set the stage to have him return next season ("60% use of my hands", "I didn't stab him", etc.)

Given how easily they freed Brennan's dad (ironic that now Ryan O'Neal has now been arrested) I could see something similar in releasing Zach and exonerating him to the point where he could rejoin the team.

After watching the episode, I went back to rewatch the end of season 3, and it is a bit of a backstep. Zach never confesses anything onscreen but Caroline (A.D.), after coming out of the hospital room tells the group - "He killed the lobbyist. Stabbed him in the heart". So, I'm sure it could be explained away as her 'hearing' that while Zach never said it. I can live with a backstep like this, as I too, like the Zach character and would like to see him return.

As far as Booth not running him back in right away isn't unBooth to me. Like what he said to Sweets - "One crime at a time, right now that's murder". He knew Zach had vital information, and knew Zach isn't looking to escape, and didn't fear him being "stronger than he looks" . He knew why Zach escaped and that he'd go back willingly.

For another example, just take Russ. While Booth cuffed him in his office, he allowed Russ to visit his girlfriend's daughter, taking him in afterwards. He still did his job, but he was compassionate at the same time. Pretty similar - he was busy finding the head, and allow Zach's friends time to be with him.
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Re: Bones, season 4

Besides, if he simply wanted to escape for the sake of escaping, the Jeffersonian is the last place he would go.

This episode was the first time I truly realized that Zach, despite being the 'runt' or 'baby' of the team, is a pretty big guy.
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I was thinking the same thing Nicholas. It looks like he has put on a lot of weight. It might just be his cloths and hair making him look different. But I don't remember him being so "not small".

Could it be he had to bulk up for another role?

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Re: Bones, season 4

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This episode was the first time I truly realized that Zach, despite being the 'runt' or 'baby' of the team, is a pretty big guy.
Maybe he had a growth spurt in the off season.


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This episode was the first time I truly realized that Zach, despite being the 'runt' or 'baby' of the team, is a pretty big guy.

I think they had a plan last season, since it began with Zach saying he had seen terrible things in Iraq, for him to come home and be shell shocked and lured into working for "The Master" because he lost purpose or whatever.. when the season was shortened, they couldn't cover any of that.

I wonder if they can go back and start to fill in how his world view was warped and say that with the right kind of mental help he'll be OK (that's my bet)
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Re: Bones, season 4

What, no love for hot, bisexual Angela & friend?

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Re: Bones, season 4

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What, no love for hot, bisexual Angela & friend?

Joe

To reply would probably run afoul of the board's "no politics" rule.

Roxie was played by Nichole Hiltz, known to some as the little sister of Mary in the USA show, "In Plain Sight". IMO, better looking as a blonde.

Can't wait til next week...

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Re: Bones, season 4

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Roxie was played by Nichole Hiltz, known to some as the little sister of Mary in the USA show, "In Plain Sight". IMO, better looking as a blonde.

Agreed. I knew I knew her from somewhere, but I didn't even connect her with In Plain Sight.

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Re: Bones, season 4

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Agreed. I knew I knew her from somewhere, but I didn't even connect her with In Plain Sight.

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The voice made the connection for me. That, and for. . . some reason. . . I paid inordinate attention to her on IPS. Even then, it was the voice.

Oh, and she was BGOC among the travelers on The Riches.
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Agreed. I knew I knew her from somewhere, but I didn't even connect her with In Plain Sight.

Regards,

Joe

I remember her from a season 1 episode of The O.C.

I found it funny that the very moment Pig's Blood is mentioned, we get a close-up of Booth. Yeah, he knows all about pig's blood....

Interesting choice, having
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Bones will not be sentenced to Friday night. According to Fox launches Friday sci-fi block - washingtonpost.com
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Rather than a reality block of "Hell's Kitchen" and "Secret Millionaire" on Thursdays, Fox will air "Kitchen" at 9 p.m. with a lead-in from "Bones." Though this time period isn't as preferable as the crime drama's current Wednesday slot -- where it has been performing strongly this fall and would have resulted in an "Idol" pairing -- it's still a promotion from Fox's original plan to shift "Bones" to Fridays. "Millionaire" will air in December.
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