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Re: Heroes - Season Three

Agreed. The recap episode still was horrible and didn't recap anything, but as I watched I remembered more about what happened at the end of last season.

The two new ones though were great. And even had a few little nods to the fans, like finally finding out Peter's mother's ability as well as Elle's father's, Sylar being asked about eating brains, and a couple others I've forgotten already lol.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

My feelings are mixed on the first two hours. It seemed very busy and unnecessarily convoluted. Too many people with superpowers and too many characters flipping sides or seeming to. I also found Dr. Suresh's actions ie injecting himself with the serum in conflict with the character established in previous seasons.

This series is going to end up being a case study in why the overuse of time travel becomes a bad story device. It kills any tension because when things get too tough a character can wink out and come back later to try and fix the problem again. It also raises far too many questions. For starters why wasn't Mama Petrelli concerned about The Butterfly Effect in Season One?

This season could end on a Bobby Ewing stepping out of shower moment if its not careful.

I'll tune in for a couple of more shows but methinks the cooks are using too many recipes from the cooking book.

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But yeah, Tim Kring heard us all loud and clear.

Yes, and the proof is right there in the little aside about Sylar eating brains.

I left this episode with a lot of questions. What did Sylar do to Claire? Is she the light? Why can't she ever die? Didn't we think if her head were severed Highlander style, she'd die? Is her power the same as Adam's? Adam may not be gone!

- Sylar questions his parentage.
- Not only do we get Sylar, but a whole collection of baddies
- Sylar makes himself practically unstoppable, and gets stopped, all in the same episode. I'm not sure how they were keeping him subdued.
- WTH was going on with Nikki?
- What's the deal with Nathan/Linderman?
- Mohinder is officially off the reservation.
- Does death eyes get involved with everyone who helps her? First it was Sylar, now Mohinder.

I could go on and on. The 2hr premiere was just chock full of developments. Between Hiro and Peter, I expect to be thoroughly confused at some point this season. Aw who am I kidding. At some point is... today. I've no idea how they'll be able to clean up this mess of a time line. All of S1 is about keeping Sylar from getting Claire's power (phew), and he ends up with it in the first episode of S3. I actually had a feeling of hopelessness while watching.

Go Heroes!

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- WTH was going on with Nikki?

This is the only one I even have a guess to, but wasn't Jessica at first a real person who had died? Maybe Niki had another sister she didn't know about or something.

Though.. what was the name of the teenager personality Niki had for a little bit last season? That wasn't Tracy, right?
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Pretty cool opening. I guess they really want to 'erase' S2 since they got rid of almost all of the S2 characters and those that aren't gone are now in stories with S1 characters. I'm just happy that they're refocusing on the S1 characters.

I wish I had taken the time to watch the S2 BRs because that recap show was a waste. The show hasn't been on in nearly 10 months and the little bits of actual recap they did have just had lame attempts at comedy interspersed with pretty people standing on a red carpet. At least Lost's recap shows, give you information that you want to know so you can enjoy the episode since there's such huge gaps between seasons.
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There were a few cutesy film homages going on in the 2nd episode:

The Fly
Spider-Mo
Ice-woman
Hannibal
Linderghost
Time-Fu
Firestarter
Magneto

I did a little cheer for the Veronica Mars/Weevil reunion.

Had to laugh at Mo's sexual confidence level going to 11.

Angela has got some crazy genes to be giving birth to so many "heroes".

Hiro and the whole safe/Kaito chastisement was gold.

Hiro and his distrust of future Ando got a little old, but at least Ando was right to call Hiro on it.

Buh-bye, Bob.

Elle, get a job.

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I hated hearing that "we only use ten percent of our brains" garbage again, but I can't dislike the show for that alone. I just heard it on an ep of Stargate and I love that show. These two hours were okay, but I still am not thrilled that it always has to be "preventing the bad future." I almost stopped watching S2 the moment that was introduced, and the clock is ticking on this show.
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I still am not thrilled that it always has to be "preventing the bad future." I almost stopped watching S2 the moment that was introduced, and the clock is ticking on this show.

Well, what else would you have superheroes do?
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Well, it was neat seeing William Katt again. What's not to like? The Greatest American Hero meets Heroes! Unfortunately, it looks like he won't be back anytime soon...

Overall, I enjoyed the second hour more than the first. Season two was such a dud for me that it is going to take some time for me to warm back up to Heroes and its mythology. My knee-jerk reaction is that season three appears to be a HUGE step in the right direction, but at the same time, I can't help but feel that the program has lost a bit of it's mojo. As I said though, I thought hour two better than hour one, so I'll take that as a good sign.

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Re: Heroes - Season Three

Ando will have some cool fuscia lightning powers.

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Re: Heroes - Season Three

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Well, what else would you have superheroes do?

Is that the only superhero story? How did the first two Spider-Man movies and Dark Knight succeed? Good grief, Days of Future Past was great, but that's not all the X-Men were about. I guess it's all Heroes will be about, though. Season 7! Oh, man! We have to stop the future plague! It's a different one this time, though!
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Is that the only superhero story? How did the first two Spider-Man movies and Dark Knight succeed? Good grief, Days of Future Past was great, but that's not all the X-Men were about. I guess it's all Heroes will be about, though. Season 7! Oh, man! We have to stop the future plague! It's a different one this time, though!

Haven't seen Dark Knight yet actually. But Batman Begins... League of Shadows wants to destroy the city. Spider-Man 1... Green Goblin wants to destroy city. Spider-Man 2 Doc Ock wants to continue experiment which will destroy city. X-Men 1, Magneto wants to make everyone mutants which would end up killing everyone in the city.

It all boils down to destroying the city or world or whatever though. I would say this seems to have more in common with X-Men comics though, based on the hints of persecution and that sort of thing that Claire and Peter talked about in the beginning.
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The two new ones though were great. And even had a few little nods to the fans, like finally finding out Peter's mother's ability as well as Elle's father's,

Bob's ability was revealed previously, in Season 2, when he turned the spoon to gold in front of Mohinder.

Also, with regards to the time-travel/future timeline plot (as Greg brings up), it's clearly a driving theme of the show, and not simply a device the show is employing over and over. Is the future written in stone? What is our destiny? Can the future be changed? Can the past? These are all questions that have been asked in the previous seasons, a few of those are almost direct quotes from characters (Claire, Hiro). Though time travel is definately an overly-used device in movies and television, I maintain it's in a different form on Heroes. It isn't so much the "power" of time travel, or anything of the sort, nor is it even really preventing a dystopian future. The real theme is that of the timeline of the human race - it's evolution, it's shared past and collective future.

Possible futures and time travel (to name a few) are simply the vehicles of exploring this theme.
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Bob's ability was revealed previously, in Season 2, when he turned the spoon to gold in front of Mohinder.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. A proper recap episode would've been nice, as I mentioned.
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Totally missed the premiere! Will NBC's website make episodes available to view on-line? Didn't see anything but 2 minute recaps.
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what else would you have superheroes do?
Hunt down the bad guys and make sure they can never be released on an unsuspecting public. Over and over and over. But you'd have to be a pretty good writer to structure that as seven seasons. And these guys aren't.

The show has plenty of fun and cool bits, but ultimately it is not very satisfying.

As for heroines that don't die, I prefer Dana Scully.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

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Haven't seen Dark Knight yet actually. But Batman Begins... League of Shadows wants to destroy the city. Spider-Man 1... Green Goblin wants to destroy city. Spider-Man 2 Doc Ock wants to continue experiment which will destroy city. X-Men 1, Magneto wants to make everyone mutants which would end up killing everyone in the city.

It all boils down to destroying the city or world or whatever though. I would say this seems to have more in common with X-Men comics though, based on the hints of persecution and that sort of thing that Claire and Peter talked about in the beginning.

Of course heroes save the world, the city, the girl, whatever it happens to be. I'm talking about every season involving a future event being known and the characters trying to find a way to change that future. It may be looked upon as the theme of the show, as Josh says, but it feels stale. You don't have to agree with me that it's a problem, but surely you can see that there are a lot of stories that could be told without trying to prevent dystopia.
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Of course heroes save the world, the city, the girl, whatever it happens to be. I'm talking about every season involving a future event being known and the characters trying to find a way to change that future. It may be looked upon as the theme of the show, as Josh says, but it feels stale. You don't have to agree with me that it's a problem, but surely you can see that there are a lot of stories that could be told without trying to prevent dystopia.

Ahh, well yeah, the seeing the future and then time travelling back to fix it, they could do a little less of that. But I mean, what reason would there be for Hiro to not try and see what will happen as the result of his (and others') actions? I mean, it'd sort of be out of character for him to not peek ahead at this point. i don't know really, it doesn't bother me.

I still really enjoyed the episode, but if I had to pick a weakness, it wouldn't be that, it'd be that the whole Mohinder/ powers serum thing seems like it could come dangerously close to the 4400/promicin thing.
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I did a little cheer for the Veronica Mars/Weevil reunion.

I was going to ask about that, then reminded myself to stop being lazy and go look to see if it was the same actor -- then promptly fell asleep. Others in the room thought it was Weevil as well. The actor has really packed on the pounds since his initial VM introduction, at least in my mind's eye.

BTW, it isn't just that Nikki has a new personality that made me say WTH. That personality has filled out enough to be a senior adviser to the Gov. of New York, not to mention she's personally involved with him. But most surprising was this new ability that she exhibited. Let's recap. When last we saw Nikki, she was being burned alive down in New Orleans after saving Muscle Memory.

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Totally missed the premiere! Will NBC's website make episodes available to view on-line?

NBC ran an ad that said full episodes will be on their web site -- in HD to boot.

Angela Petrelli's the Big Wolf now. Future Peter has picked up some unknown power to move Current Peter's consciousness into someone else's body (along with being unable to use his powers). The question being, what happened to the guy who previously occupied said body?

Hiro's getting better at controlling his powers.

Mohinder's formula to give anyone powers is both an interesting answer, and something that potentially has the ability to cheapen superpowers. At first I thought he just turned into another Nikki (super strength). But yeah, then it became more like Spider-man. When he started peeling I thought, "OK Brundlefly, now you've done it."

Like I said... the episodes were chock full of things to ponder. I still haven't hit them all. But, I can easily say the premiere set up the season successfully. Who is good and who is bad? Heck if we completely know. I may watch this one again.

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Totally missed the premiere! Will NBC's website make episodes available to view on-line? Didn't see anything but 2 minute recaps.

Also check your local NBC listings on Saturday night, I think NBC is re-running both hours of the season premiere.

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Totally missed the premiere! Will NBC's website make episodes available to view on-line? Didn't see anything but 2 minute recaps.

I hope so, I'm working night right now so I'm going to miss the first couple of episodes. I've been looking forward to this since the writers' strike!
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I only saw the first hour. Will watch the 2nd hour tonight. But, why would Claire's father leave such secret documents (about others with powers) sitting on the dining room table...Even marking it "Dad's office"???

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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Sadly, the show is far too dark and albeit depressing in their attempts to be edgy in telling stories of people with super-powers. They need to squash the time travelling angle, it just produces too many loop-de-loops in storytelling that gives writers a too-convenient reset button when they need to write themselves out of a corner. Actions need to have consequences, but basing an entire volume on the butterfly effect has this recursive effect of viewers investing less and less into these characters because actions have less consequences with the re-do switch in play. It undermines heroic sacrifice for the greater good, it allows "heroes" to play god with timelines, it makes for stilted storytelling and characterizations.

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"Well, it was neat seeing William Katt again. What's not to like? The Greatest American Hero meets Heroes! Unfortunately, it looks like he won't be back anytime soon..."

Why not?? wait until he thaws out

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Was anyone else hoping for an "oh boy" when Peter, in the body of the other guy, looked in the mirror?

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They need to squash the time travelling angle, it just produces too many loop-de-loops in storytelling that gives writers a too-convenient reset button when they need to write themselves out of a corner.

With at least 2 characters who can time travel, 2 who can paint the future (assuming the African Spirit Guide that Matt met can do something similar to Mendez), and 2 characters who can dream about the future, I highly doubt it's going to disappear.
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The hour before the premiere of S3 was a waste of time. Did nothing to help me remember anything about the previous seasons. Oh well.

They have so much in store for Claire this season, I cannot wait. As much as I was hoping they would wait a while before having Sylar take Claires gift, I really loved the scenes between those two last night. Good stuff.

After Mohinder injected himself, I immediately thought " Brundle fly". Way too many similarities between them. I also wonder if now that he and death eyes had sex if there will be a mutant baby in the future. I think there might be.

The whole GOD thing with Nathan made me cringe. I'm not so sure how that is going to play out, but I am hoping for a quick resoultion in his mind with that one.

Momma Petrelli being Sylars mom? WTF is that about??? Yeah I am so enjoying this ride. Makes a little more sense though, as Peter and Sylar both absorb powers.

Gotta love Hiro and Ando. I still think they are my favorites (right up there with Claire and her dad). I love all their scenes. Hiro's facial expressions are truly the best. Me thinks someone shapeshifted into Ando, maybe? Hard to tell at this point.

New bad guys always make for good fun. Fun powers too!

All in all I enjoyed last night a great deal and can't wait for more.

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Also check your local NBC listings on Saturday night, I think NBC is re-running both hours of the season premiere.

Thanks Patrick and others! I've check the program guide on my DVR and both episodes is scheduled for repeats on Saturday! Cool!

I'm trying not to read your comments, but the premiere did not sound very promising.
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I have a bad feeling they have painted themselves in a corner and have no way to get out of it.
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That was quite enjoyable. The ship appears to be righting itself.

As for all the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff, am I the only one who wishes the TARDIS would materialize, and David Tennant walk out to read Hiro and Peter the riot act about how dangerous it is to muck about with the timelines.
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