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I was deeply afraid to post my opinion in this thread because I
felt it would have been considered threadcrapping.

However, reading many of the comments already in place, it reassured
me that my opinion would match those already posted.

Heroes has become lame!

While it would be impossible to match the "magic" of the first season,
one would think the show would have to do very little to recover from
the atrocity known as Season Two.

However, now approx. 3-4 episodes in, this show has just hit
rock bottom -- and in a much different way than Season Two.

The worst thing that seems to have happened this season is that
there are too many "superhero" characters with storylines that are
not only lame, but all over the map. Some viewers, like myself, need
clarification on what the hell is going on at times.

Watching this week's episode was especially difficult. Hiro and
Ando have been reduced to a bunch of bumbling sissies. Sylar is
now a good guy?! And if you thought this week was bad, I could have
sworn he was kissing a puppy in next week's preview.

The new Nikki/Tracy Strauss storyline has outstayed its welcome.
They should never have brought her back to the show. As for Matt
Parkman, his storyline has just slowed the pace.

What the hell are the writers doing with this show?
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My personal theory is that he is all of their Fathers/Great Great Grandfathers/ etc.

From what we have seen last season, he is the ground zero patient, the original person with powers, and has been around a looooong time, plenty of time to father a whole bunch of "specials".

In the online graphic novel, we see at least one other person with powers in the "past," (hundreds of years ago) - though it would be an interesting allusion to the name Adam.
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Some viewers, like myself, need
clarification on what the hell is going on at times.
I've been enjoying the season so far but I think a real recap episode would have been a benefit to me because I've had a few instances of not being sure of where characters ended up last year or why they were now doing x or y or z.
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Sylar is now a good guy?!
If that's the read you're getting off the season, then I suggest that the problem is with you and not the show. Sylar is still a monster - we're just seeing that Mrs. Petrelli is a far more experienced and effective monster. Maybe there will be a point later this season when we'll be able to say the show has rehabilitated Gabriel Gray, but for now, I don't think we're meant to be far away from Noah's attitude.
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No fears Ron. I don't mind multi-layered storylines but I don't like blatant character manipulation to fulfill those storylines.

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Instead of continuing to try to tell people their opinions are wrong, I'm going to talk about some of the things I liked in this episode:
  • The speedster girl, Daphne. After a second season that failed to introduce a single compelling character, here we have one that playful and snarky and fun right off the bat. The fact that her relentless pursuit of capitalism may destroy the world not withstanding.
  • Angela proving, once again, that she can be pure evil. Sacrificing the young South Asian woman with the Company to Sylar so that he can either a) obtain a useful skill or b) stave off his hunger for the length of the mission was absolutely dispicable.
  • Sylar being more than just evil. The accents with the cops outside the bank was a nice reminder that Sylar's power isn't specifically related to stealing powers, that's just the most productive use of his power. He's sort of like a vampire, that needs to keep an ongoing flow. What plans does Angela have for him?
  • Another example of now single-minded Future Peter is. By fixing his mess with Present Peter, he leaves Noah pinned and essentially left for dead by the supervillains. Each "Superman" moment leaves things worse than before he intervened.
  • Claire's forced confession of what's motivating her. It sure didn't take her biological mom long to find a way to torture an immortal girl who can't feel pain.
  • The mystery of how Isaac Mendez's power ended up in the headphones of the African man's Walkman.
  • The explanation of how there seems to be so many Nikkis running around: Some sort of cloning project by a Dr. Zimmerman.

My biggest complaints with season two was the slow pace, utterly conventional plotting and boring new characters. All three complaints have been rectified.
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I've been enjoying the season so far but I think a real recap episode would have been a benefit to me because I've had a few instances of not being sure of where characters ended up last year or why they were now doing x or y or z.

What do you feel needed to be recapped? I can't think of anything *minor* from seasons 1 and 2 that would be required knowledge to understand season 3. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect viewers to remember things like what Sylar's original power was, et cetera (I'm not saying this is what you needed clarification on).

With regards to Ron's comment on the direction of the show, personally I think I can see the general way it's heading. Of course, I don't know the ultimate endgame, nor would I expect to 3 episodes in to a volume - if you recall, even "save the cheerleader," wasn't the end of volume 1, so even if something like that was used as a catchphrase (find the Haitian, save the nation?), I doubt it would be the "end."

At any rate, here is what I see is the general plot for this arc - keep in mind that there are multiple threads, and they will weave in and out of each other. Also, keep in mind these are just predictions based on three episodes

- Thread 1: The Future - A future where powers aren't just in the hands of the few, but the many; where those with abilities are hunted and experimented on, forced underground, made criminals - not unlike the future glimpsed in season one's "Five Years Gone," but kicked up a notch, with more powered-people, and obstensibly a lack of a Noah Bennett-like person as Shepherd and protector. One Peter, Future Peter, lived this as reality, and he will virtually stop at nothing, it seems, to prevent it. This Peter is very different from "our Peter," and it's reasonable to allow the shooting of his brother to fall in-character. Future Peter quickly learns that playing in the past is risky, and is now stumbling to have the best of both worlds: a better future, and a good present.

- Thread 2: Bug-Mohinder - We've seen this future where "normal" people have powers, granted through a virus. This thread is an attempt to backfill that future, acting as a microcosm of things-to-come. Why does Peter want so desperately to alter his present? Are normal people with powers really that dangerous? Were there side-effects to the virus (other than the obvious...)? These questions can be addressed with Mohinder. It seems the potential for abilities touches a hunger in someone even as smart as Mohinder (who is also sort of dumb, see seasons 1 and 2). We've seen the hunger in his eyes, on the docks, so it stands to reason Peter's future would see this amplified. We're also bearing witness to the process of rapid evolution via the virus. Thus, in effect, Peter's future showed us the end, and Mohinder is showing us how we would conceivably get there.

- Thread 3: Hiro and Ando - It's become a mainstay that Hiro's storyline exists slightly removed from the other characters, yet oddly connects with them (Vegas, Japan's past, Odessa). It seems the Company has some mysterious forumla, which is closely guarded. Also, remember in season 2 that it was revealed that they have a virus that targets and eventually kills those with powers. You'll also remember that people thought this was "lazy" story writing - that Kaito would keep such a dangerous virus around. Now note that people are also claiming it's lazy to have Katio guarding a powerful formula - why doesn't he simply destroy it? I'm going to make a prediction that the formula is the very same research Mohinder has uncovered - the ability to grant powers to normal people.

Stop and think for a moment - there is a quite simple (and brilliant) explanation. The two items are checks on each other, and on an unknown future. If the formula gets out, and people start getting powered all over the place, well the Company has a solution: the Shanti Virus. If the future sees the handful of powered humans being targetted and wiped out, well the Company has that angle too - release the formula. It may sound stupid, but to a meglomaniacal company who would presume to guide the human race, it's pretty par for the course.

Hiro and Ando are now attempting to get the formular back. Nothing else needs to be said, really - it has been established many times over that Hiro is single-minded, and wants desperately to be a "hero." If you think any of the things he's done so far are out of character, well, I personally think you don't understand the character, as established over 2 volumes.

- Thread 4: Matt on the Vision Quest - This thread is purposefully slow and plodding - the pace echoes the purpose. Matt is now on a personal quest of exploration and discovery - who he is, who he wants to be, and what his future holds. It's hard to see the endgame here, but I would posit that Matt, knowledge of the volume's climax in hand, will show up as a saviour.

- Thread 5: Nathan and Tracy - This storyline is also hard to pin down, since it hasn't really had that much time to grow. Who really healed Nathan (since Linderman appears to be a Six-like presence)? What is Tracy's next move? I think it's unfair to want anything concrete from this storyline, given that it's had like 15 minutes of screentime so far (less if you remove Nathan's angel speech). I like having some mysteries.

- Thread 6: Angela's Visions: This is a simple thread, really. Angela's power to dream the future (perhaps it has other facets), has given her a cocky reassurance, but also a unique approach to the future. Both of these have been magnified by her work in the Company. It's clear she feels the future of humanity is her domain, and she will do whatever she can to manipulate it to her liking/aspirations. Her ties to her children have been built up over 2 volumes, so her manipulations of events generally take them strongly into consideration. The love for her children has led her to do very mad things, but it's been established - take it or leave it, but it's there.

So, there you have it, 6 threads (at least) shown in 3 episodes. Some people think it's too much, but I would suggest looking back to season 1, and counting up the number of threads there were there, and noting that it wasn't until a few key events, namely the "save the cheerleader" scene on the subway, the future explosion of NY, and the reveal of Sylar, that the various threads even became remotely connected. Seriously, add them all up - there are actually more in the first 5 episodes of season 1 than there are now in season 3.

Where are all the threads going? Why, together, of course. Just as everyone came together at the end of season 1, so too will they come together in the end of volume 3. If anyone can honestly state that they knew how everything would go down in season 1, from 3 episodes (or even 8, or even 15!) in, I would find that very suspect.

Sometimes, I think this show (and to an extend, others like it, such as LOST) can't win with some people. If the show goes too slow, like it did in season 1, well it's boring. If it goes to fast, then it's confusing and ill-explained. To be honest, I don't think the show's tempo or style has changed AT ALL, since the first episode. We are given snippets of information, and then gradually given the rest over the course of the arc. Further, information is often given out of order (timeline-wise), so that we see the end, but are unclear of how we will get there. That's how it's done on Heroes, and I don't think they will change.

cheers!

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Angela proving, once again, that she can be pure evil. Sacrificing the young South Asian woman with the Company to Sylar so that he can either a) obtain a useful skill or b) stave off his hunger for the length of the mission was absolutely dispicable.

My take on that was that Angela wanted Sylar to have her power (Know the History) so that he would know for sure that he was really Angelas child and was really given up for adoption, and thus trust Angela.

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The mystery of how Isaac Mendez's power ended up in the headphones of the African man's Walkman.

For this one I took it as the music through the walkman was the 'trigger' that set off the ability to paint the future, in the same way as Issac needed heroin to be able to paint. I don't think that Issacs power somehow mysteriously got imbedded in the walkman.

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"I knew a man with your power. He needed heroin to get into the zone."

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I will go in reverse to answer this question:

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. Some people think it's too much, but I would suggest looking back to season 1, and counting up the number of threads there were there, and noting that it wasn't until a few key events, namely the "save the cheerleader" scene on the subway, the future explosion of NY, and the reveal of Sylar, that the various threads even became remotely connected. Seriously, add them all up - there are actually more in the first 5 episodes of season 1 than there are now in season 3.

No, I don't think it's too much. I think you can have a lot of threads that work toward the whole. I'm cool with that. I think the problem is many of these threads are regurgitations of previous threads or countermand what we've seen in the past. That, and Season 1 had the excitement of being new, for us to find out the answers. Now, we have some answers on some characters, and all the time travel leaping around seems like a giant reset button.

See your own descriptions:

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- Thread 1: The Future - A future where powers aren't just in the hands of the few, but the many; where those with abilities are hunted and experimented on, forced underground, made criminals - not unlike the future glimpsed in season one's "Five Years Gone," but kicked up a notch, with more powered-people, and obstensibly a lack of a Noah Bennett-like person as Shepherd and protector. One Peter, Future Peter, lived this as reality, and he will virtually stop at nothing, it seems, to prevent it. This Peter is very different from "our Peter," and it's reasonable to allow the shooting of his brother to fall in-character. Future Peter quickly learns that playing in the past is risky, and is now stumbling to have the best of both worlds: a better future, and a good present.

Not Unlike? It is basically the same idea, which implies most of Season 1 was pointless. That's what I found so frustrating. It goes to the idea of Terminator 3: "Oh well, it's fate, it happens regardless".

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- Thread 2: Bug-Mohinder - We've seen this future where "normal" people have powers, granted through a virus. This thread is an attempt to backfill that future, acting as a microcosm of things-to-come. Why does Peter want so desperately to alter his present? Are normal people with powers really that dangerous? Were there side-effects to the virus (other than the obvious...)? These questions can be addressed with Mohinder. It seems the potential for abilities touches a hunger in someone even as smart as Mohinder (who is also sort of dumb, see seasons 1 and 2). We've seen the hunger in his eyes, on the docks, so it stands to reason Peter's future would see this amplified. We're also bearing witness to the process of rapid evolution via the virus. Thus, in effect, Peter's future showed us the end, and Mohinder is showing us how we would conceivably get there.

See though, this is a storyline I was hoping they would play down. Because it really breaks up Mohinder's whole motivation over the first two seasons. He felt his sister basically died because of powers, and others lived a tortured life because of it. He was trying desperately to research a way to cure them, instead he finds the way to give powers and his whole tune changes. I mean, of all people, Mohinder's reaction was.. weird. It didn't mesh with anything we had even seen "Future" Mohinder believing in from previous seasons. So, for a lot of us, it rang really false.

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- Thread 3: Hiro and Ando - It's become a mainstay that Hiro's storyline exists slightly removed from the other characters, yet oddly connects with them (Vegas, Japan's past, Odessa). It seems the Company has some mysterious forumla, which is closely guarded. Also, remember in season 2 that it was revealed that they have a virus that targets and eventually kills those with powers. You'll also remember that people thought this was "lazy" story writing - that Kaito would keep such a dangerous virus around. Now note that people are also claiming it's lazy to have Katio guarding a powerful formula - why doesn't he simply destroy it? I'm going to make a prediction that the formula is the very same research Mohinder has uncovered - the ability to grant powers to normal people.

No, people thought it was lazy scriptwriting to have him so dumb that despite repeat warnings of "end of the world" he goes ahead and does it anyway. That was the lame scriptwriting bit. He goes through Season 1 & 2 trying to earn his fathers respect and show that he has learned the importance of understanding how to do the right thing, and then he does that. The whole storyline with Hiro is now basically comic fodder that is full of absurdism.

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- Thread 4: Matt on the Vision Quest - This thread is purposefully slow and plodding - the pace echoes the purpose. Matt is now on a personal quest of exploration and discovery - who he is, who he wants to be, and what his future holds. It's hard to see the endgame here, but I would posit that Matt, knowledge of the volume's climax in hand, will show up as a saviour.

Ok. Maybe. I'll leave this go; the problem for me isn't the pacing, it's that again, we've done this exact same thing before. Guy who paints the future, etc.

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- Thread 5: Nathan and Tracy - This storyline is also hard to pin down, since it hasn't really had that much time to grow. Who really healed Nathan (since Linderman appears to be a Six-like presence)? What is Tracy's next move? I think it's unfair to want anything concrete from this storyline, given that it's had like 15 minutes of screentime so far (less if you remove Nathan's angel speech). I like having some mysteries.

This is a storyline I think could be X-Files type interesting, but I don't think she has the acting chops to pull it off.

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- Thread 6: Angela's Visions: This is a simple thread, really. Angela's power to dream the future (perhaps it has other facets), has given her a cocky reassurance, but also a unique approach to the future. Both of these have been magnified by her work in the Company. It's clear she feels the future of humanity is her domain, and she will do whatever she can to manipulate it to her liking/aspirations. Her ties to her children have been built up over 2 volumes, so her manipulations of events generally take them strongly into consideration. The love for her children has led her to do very mad things, but it's been established - take it or leave it, but it's there.

Yes, except by making Sylar her child, it changes everything about Season 1 & 2 and makes her reactions of fear and concern in those seasons really silly.

The problem I have with the season isn't too many plots, it's fine to have a lot of them that work to build something. It's just that so many of them seem so lazy or at odds with the mythos they've setup.

I don't know, the more I think about the storylines this season, the more pissed off I really am about the direction it's going.
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No, people thought it was lazy scriptwriting to have him so dumb that despite repeat warnings of "end of the world" he goes ahead and does it anyway. That was the lame scriptwriting bit. He goes through Season 1 & 2 trying to earn his fathers respect and show that he has learned the importance of understanding how to do the right thing, and then he does that. The whole storyline with Hiro is now basically comic fodder that is full of absurdism.

Hiro has been shown multiple times to disobey his Father - in fact one of the few times he listened was because of the scene at his Mother's funeral. Even then, the result wasn't his utter obedience to Kaito, but rather Hiro's decision to stop meddling in the past. I might add, that view had been discovered by Hiro before (with Charlie, and then again with Kensei), and he STILL tried to mess with the past (until the afore-mentioned funeral scene).

So, we have a character who latches onto the first big thing that comes his way, calls it "destiny," and goes after it. I don't know how many times Hiro and Ando have said "ume," Japanese for destiny, but it's a LOT. Further, Hiro doesn't learn from his own mistakes, and continues to try and be a hero, even when it's futile or not needed.

All that established, and Hiro himself says he's sitting at his desk, rich and bored, "a man without a quest." Hiro has grown up watching anime and star trek, reading X-men comics and other manga, all the while dreaming that HE was the hero. Heck, the show's creators even saw fit to call him HIRO. Hiro sees his quest locked safely in a vault, and thinks that is bored, and un-heroic. So he opens it, to begin his quest for destiny anew. Moreover, Kaito, perfectly judging Hiro's character, also knew this (and, how many viewers knew Hiro would immediately open the safe, too?).

It's not lazy story writing at all. It's about as true-to-form as you can get.
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Good episode. Glad to see HRG wasn't actually won over by Sylar, and that Sylar is not suddenly a redeemed good guy. Not sure I buy the whole "I can't control the hunger" thing, though.

What I didn't like was what they're doing with Hiro and Ando. Clearly, their friendship is going to dissolve over the course of this story, but having Daphne's one quip about Ando being Robin throw him off like that was just silly.

Oh, and I'm calling it now: At some point we'll see the scene Hiro saw in the future of Ando killing him... although it will turn out Hiro is actually in the wrong because of some stupid misunderstanding. And the blast thing Ando shoots is not actually fatal.
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What do you feel needed to be recapped? I can't think of anything *minor* from seasons 1 and 2 that would be required knowledge to understand season 3.
It's been 10 months since S2 finished airing and, to be brutally honest, I don't think S2 was all that memorable so I don't remember much of last season. A recap that summed up the first two seasons (instead of people on the red carpet telling me the premiere was coming up next and info that concentrated more on lame jokes than informing viewers) would have refreshed my mind and been helpful.

That being said, I'm enjoying this season much more than a number of people here seem to be but I've had a few moments where I feel like I'm behind because I don't remember where that character was left at, etc. because I don't remember S2.
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The real reason that Adam is in Mama Petrelli's dream is because it's one of the few bits of footage from the original volume three that the writers/producers were able to salvage and reuse.

I'm still not completely buying that Sylar is really a Petrelli. After all, Mama Petrelli is a master of manipulation.

Overall, I'm still enjoying Heroes, although the dark future thing is getting old, having seen it every season.
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I'm surprised that so many people are disliking this season. I think it's light years above the crapfest that was season 2 and even though it might be a little tough to stomach some of the things that are going on right now, it's only 3 episodes into the new season. A lot more is going to happen over the course of 19-20 episodes and I'm interested to see where it all goes. I will admit that this show certainly doesn't blow me away me like other TV dramas over the past few years have(24, The Shield, The Sopranos, Battlestar Galactica, Jericho, etc) but I still think it's a fun time and a good diversion on Monday nights.

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Thread 3: Hiro and Ando - It's become a mainstay that Hiro's storyline exists slightly removed from the other characters, yet oddly connects with them (Vegas, Japan's past, Odessa). ... I'm going to make a prediction that the formula is the very same research Mohinder has uncovered - the ability to grant powers to normal people.
Well, unless I didn't see Hiro and Ando captured by the Haitian man and in the company's control at the end of the episode, it appears that they are not going to be "slightly removed" for long.

I think that most people's problems with Hiro's story so far is that he is making so many mistakes so far. Searching for the formula is in character, but his actions leading to it disappearing in the first place were stupid. He and Ando were not much better this Monday. He could have easily prevented the briefcase from being stolen away from him if he had thought ahead.

Also, I thought that the person in Parkman's arms in the painting looked like the speedster (Daphne), but you can judge for yourselves:
http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Matts_Fu...d_By_Usutu.jpg

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Also, I thought that the person in Parkman's arms in the painting looked like the speedster (Daphne), but you can judge for yourselves:
Image:Matts Future Painted By Usutu.jpg - Heroes Wiki

Neil

That's what I thought the first time I saw the paintings, as well.

I'm confused as to what actions you are referring to when you say "his actions leading to it disappearing in the first place were stupid." Didn't all he do was hold it up?

Or, do you mean the whole "let's open the safe" bit? If so, well, I've already stated why I think that was perfectly in character, and how I think it would have went against 2 seasons of writing to have him NOT open the safe, and then open the envelope.

Not trying to belabour the issue - I'm just confused as to what you thought was out of character.
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I think I missed this part but how was it explained that Isaac Mendez's power ended up in the African's walkman? I don't recall this.

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It's the same sort of power that Mendez had, but it's not "his" power. This guy's been doing paintings for decades. Also, I don't think the power is in the Walkman. Mendez needed drugs to tap his power, this guy needs whatever he was listening to. Why Pac-Man was able to zone in (or out) at the end is beyond me. In fact, all of this is beyond all of us, as it hasn't been explained. You haven't missed anything.

Unless, of course, there have been online comics about it. I don't read those.
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Parkman had also just consumed some sort of paste-like substance, which I can only assume is a drug of sorts, meant to help facilitate the vision quest he is most certainly about to undertake.

My take is that Mendez's heroin and the African guy's music "open their minds" and allow them to tap into their power. Through the assistance of the Company, Mendez later learned how to do it without a vehicle, but it seems the African dude either can't paint without the music, or, perhaps he simply prefers to paint with the added influence of music as a facilitator.

With reference to the online comics, Greg, I don't recall anything that would explain Matt's eyes turning white (as if he is about to paint the future). However, the online alternate reality game does have short reference to suggesting the Company keep close tabs on Matt, as he's a candidate for manifesting "new powers."

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I'm confused as to what actions you are referring to when you say "his actions leading to it disappearing in the first place were stupid." Didn't all he do was hold it up?

Or, do you mean the whole "let's open the safe" bit? If so, well, I've already stated why I think that was perfectly in character, and how I think it would have went against 2 seasons of writing to have him NOT open the safe, and then open the envelope.
I am not saying that it was stupid writing, but that his actions in themselves were stupid. Didn't he open the safe in an open office? At least, I don't think they were even in a locked room. You would think they would have wanted more privacy.
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Parkman had also just consumed some sort of paste-like substance, which I can only assume is a drug of sorts, meant to help facilitate the vision quest he is most certainly about to undertake.

I was eating some cheese and crackers during that scene, so I missed it. That's why I usually never eat anything involved like that when watching TV.

What a weird experience. I was replying to you as you edited your post, so there was suddenly a whole block of text that wasn't there when I started!
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Oh, and I'm calling it now: At some point we'll see the scene Hiro saw in the future of Ando killing him... although it will turn out Hiro is actually in the wrong because of some stupid misunderstanding. And the blast thing Ando shoots is not actually fatal.
Well, duh... You can't "call it," this goes without mentioning. Of course Hiro will live, and of course Ando will most likely be in the right. But how we get to that point are better things to ponder. This is how I see Hiro's story unfolding, maybe others already think this is a "well duh" post as well, but hear it goes.

I think Hiro will be working with the company to try to get the formula back from Daphne, except the company will be in search of the formula with bad intentions. Mama Petrelli's leadership is already showing that the company is starting to head in an even darker direction. The company was already willing to let NYC blow up in S1, so it's established that they are evil, but Hiro needs to go on his quest to defeat his nemesis.

Unbeknownst to her, the person Daphne is working for is trying to stop the company from using the formula. Or maybe she is just playing stupid. In any case, Ando will see that the Company is shady, and realize he needs to stop them from getting the formula at all costs.
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with regards to Isaac's power, he later on did not need drugs to get his visions.

the formula that everyone's trying to get right now - could it be the one that was used to create Nikki+co.?

wasn't there a group of supers trying to take down the company in S1? that's the one that the internet/wireless girl was part of? or did that go its route and i totally forgot about it?

it's funny that Hiro's perception of manipulating time is like that of LOST; that no matter what you do, things are destined to happen (time self corrects). the butterfly effect is essentially the opposite of that.

Hiro's bumbling, whether in character or not, is getting very tiresome.

i actually liked the idea of Sylar working with HRG. it didn't bother my nearly as much as Hiro's continuing stupidity or Claire's continuing whining. HRG still gets the best lines (i ~am~ better than you)


"now, if that's a fact, tell me... am i lying?"

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If I remember correctly, Internet/Wireless girl was only in the comics. I don't remember her actually making it to air.

Studios, caption your internet streams.

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If I remember correctly, Internet/Wireless girl was only in the comics. I don't remember her actually making it to air.

Actually, she was in 2 episodes..Chapters 16 & 20. She was played by Stana Katic.




One thing regarding Hiro and the speedster. When he stopped time she could still move. I don't care how fast she is. He STOPPED time. Unless he doesn't stop time...just slows it down.

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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If I remember correctly, Internet/Wireless girl was only in the comics. I don't remember her actually making it to air.

Hana appeared briefly in the first season, in "Unexpected." She was the person who showed Ted the pneumatic needle gun that the Company uses.

Edit: Todd beat me to it!

Also, as an aside, Hana died in outer space (or did she?).

And, with regards to Hiro's power and Daphne - she herself said he doesn't stop time, but merely slows it down a massive amount. She said that in the hallway just after she stole the formula (the first time).
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Unless he doesn't stop time...just slows it down.
Yep, that was exactly how it was already explained on the show.

No offense, but it amazes me how often I see people having issues with something in a TV series or movie and complain about it, only to have it turn out whatever the "problem" was has already been explicitly addressed. WHY can't people just... pay attention??
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Yep, that was exactly how it was already explained on the show.

No offense, but it amazes me how often I see people having issues with something in a TV series or movie and complain about it, only to have it turn out whatever the "problem" was has already been explicitly addressed. WHY can't people just... pay attention??

I try to pay attention. But, when you have a five year old jumping on you thinking he is Indiana Jones. A few lines occasionally get lost. Also, this is the first time its been explained that he doesn't stop time..just slows it down. Seems a bit too convenient. Since if he could stop time like every other time. He would have been able to stop her.

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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Also, this is the first time its been explained that he doesn't stop time..just slows it down. Seems a bit too convenient. Since if he could stop time like every other time. He would have been able to stop her.

Word! And one example of the multitudinous manipulations going on this year.

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