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Nelson, I hope you keep that attitude for ST XI!

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Re: Heroes - Season Three

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I was confused by Nikki too. Makes sense as someone pointed out that she appeared to die in a fire and her freezing ability could have saved her, something I forgot as I have not re-viewed that S2 episode yet.

Could be a possible answer, but the timeline/chronology of the episodes doesn't work out. Within three days (and possibly only 1 or 2) of Niki's entrapment in the burning building, we see Tracy firmly established as a governor's aid. Doesn't matter how good the sex is, it still takes more than two days for someone to work their way into that position.

Of course, the Niki we saw in the later episodes of season 2 didn't always completely seem like the Niki from the beginning of the season. She goes from crazy inmate to willing partner pretty quickly, and most of that "transition" is done off camera.
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9/29/08 at 7:18am
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

The "she's the dead sister" theory definately has more legs than the "it's Niki's new personality" theory.

I'll go along with either, if only as an excuse to see Ali Larter in various states of undress...
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

Just saw the 2-hr premiere this weekend. Wow! Great start to the new season.

My only disappointment was the "preview" show was not a recap show like I expected, but promotional rah-rah fluff. I really need a review of last season. Hopefully Hulu or NBC has previous episodes.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

Definitely an interesting angle with Tracy and the Island of Dr. (Monroe) Zimmerman. Poor Micah.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

Interesting to see this side of Sylar.

Hiro has some really great lines. And it looks like the seeds of dissent are growing in Ando.
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I rewatched the first two episodes today and the "phone call to Claire telling her to stay put" is on screen.

The sequence of events is as follows; Future Peter travels back in time and shoots Nathan. Present Peter chases him, and offscreen gets transferred to the criminal guy. Claire is watching the news on tv about the shooting, and calls Peter who is riding in the ambulance with Nathan. She thinks it is Present Peter, but it is really Future Peter who then tells her to stay home.

I think the reason we all missed this call when Mama Petrelli mentions it later is because we think that Claire is taking to Present Peter when it happens.

This throws the whole butterfly effect in to motion because Future Peter tells Claire to stay home, which leads to Sylar getting her power, which leads to him finding the level 5 file, which leads to him going to Primatech, which leads to the great escape. Presto, we have our “Villians” chapter, all because of Future Peter's actions.

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9/30/08 at 3:24am
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I missed it because I took the statement at the time it was uttered as nothing more than, "Keep doing what you as you can't get here in time to help Nathan. I've got this." In other words, even if I'd known it was Future Peter, I still wouldn't have taken it as a moment of his mucking around in history. And therein lies the danger. You simply can't know what little action or utterance will have (possibly large) consequences. I don't blame Hiro for deciding never to visit the past.

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With the recycled paintings of the future scenes and the continued bumbling of the other characters my Monday nights now have an extra free hour.

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The tone of last night's episode was all over the map.

Sylar as a them, though stepfordized, brought a few laughs, but his power lust still remains a primal driving force for him.

Hiro/Ando/Nemesis brought more muted chuckles.

So how many of these Nikki/Jessica/Tracy siblings are there?

No Mohinder (besides voiceovers) and I didn't really miss his subplot.

Getting to Claire's breakthrough was annoying and cloying, and didn't really ring true, mainly due to Hayden's underperformance in that scene.

Parkman's quest is unengaging so far.

Mama Petreilli is creepy.

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Re: Heroes - Season Three

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I rewatched the first two episodes today and the "phone call to Claire telling her to stay put" is on screen.

The sequence of events is as follows; Future Peter travels back in time and shoots Nathan. Present Peter chases him, and offscreen gets transferred to the criminal guy. Claire is watching the news on tv about the shooting, and calls Peter who is riding in the ambulance with Nathan. She thinks it is Present Peter, but it is really Future Peter who then tells her to stay home.
They thing is that Claire makes the phone call because of the shooting. If it was just the announcement with no shooting would she have immediately left home? We just don't know the "original" sequence of events.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

Right, because when Nathan makes his announcment, Claire might have undertook another course of action, either by her own volition or someone shows or calls her to get out of the house and Odessa.

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Re: Heroes - Season Three

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Sylar as a them, though stepfordized, brought a few laughs, but his power lust still remains a primal driving force for him.

Hiro/Ando/Nemesis brought more muted chuckles.

Mama Petreilli is creepy.
I couldn't believe that Mama Petrelli fed that girl to Sylar. That power better play a part down the line. I also found it hard to believe that she let Sylar loose with no control on him. I guess she was hoping the promise of more meals and approval from her will keep him from running away?

As soon as Hira and Ando started going after the Haitian we all knew how this sequence was going to end. Too predictable. It will be interesting to see what happens next with them now that The Company has them.

I was surprised that present Peter was released so quickly and for that matter that three of the Villains were taken care that quickly as well.

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Re: Heroes - Season Three

I'm out. The turn of Sylar in the way they've done it is utterly screwball. It's just really sloppy so they can re-use a character. I knew from the previews, but seeing it happen, and how it was allowed to happen was a real jump the shark moment for me.

Monday is already packed with other stuff I enjoy, I'l catch up with Heroes later.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

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I think the reason we all missed this call when Mama Petrelli mentions it later is because we think that Claire is taking to Present Peter when it happens.

I think only a few people overlooked this scene. I know myself and others have referenced it in this thread previously.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

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The turn of Sylar... was a real jump the shark moment for me.
Yup. Lame. This show has become a buffet of problems.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

Can you even call it a turn when Sylar was bad again 20 minutes later?
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Can you even call it a turn when Sylar was bad again 20 minutes later?

The fact that super-powered, man who cannot be killed Sylar is somehow contained by HRG and brought back into captivity... and the fact that they say they are going to keep using him as a field agent "until I figure out how to kill him".. please, just dismember the guy and he's fishfood. Or pull the equivelent of a Sark on him and bury him alive. (Speaking of which, did anyone else notice that David Anders got an acting credit for Adam Monroe in "Butterfly Effect" ? I didn't think I've seen him this season since he's buried alive)
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

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The turn of Sylar in the way they've done it is utterly screwball.

Your going to hate the next ep when you finally see it then.

It was fun seeing him loose (in the mellow sense not the free from his cell sense) and a bit comical.

I actually think i'm beginning to suffer from burnt out with this show. There are too many characters doing too many things and trying to stop/prevent too many ambiguous events and it's starting to give me a headache, really.

It's starting to become no longer fun and is venturing into frustration more than anything else.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

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(Speaking of which, did anyone else notice that David Anders got an acting credit for Adam Monroe in "Butterfly Effect" ? I didn't think I've seen him this season since he's buried alive)

Ma Petrelli had a vision of Sylar rampaging through level 5, or something like that, and Sark was there.
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Ok, that explains that, thanks Greg. But I thought that Hiro had him buried.. so either her vision is totally bogus or the writers forgot
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Ok, that explains that, thanks Greg. But I thought that Hiro had him buried.. so either her vision is totally bogus or the writers forgot
I thought it was a vision of Mama Petrelli's generation of "heroes" and so included him, but I just went to http://heroeswiki.com/Angela%27s_dreams and see just what it was. It had a mix of generations on the attack (?).
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I thought it was a vision of Mama Petrelli's generation of "heroes" and so including him

Ok, so was sylar rampaging through then? If that's the case, and they are also going to give him the time travel capability (serving up Hiro as lunch?) Then it means everything of the first two seasons was totally for nothing.

I don't know, I'll wait and watch other things, and I'll come back to this later and watch a marathon or something of it if it turns around, but it's too confusing and ridiculous.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

This strikes me as a show that would play much better on DVD, i'm tired of having to wait all week for the answers and having even more questions spring up.

I think I too will dump it and watch it all back-to-back next year when this season comes out on Blu and i'll rent it at that time.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

Regarding Sark AKA Adam Monroe appearing in the vision, the on-line comics quite a while ago gave some clues as to why he might be in the vision


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He is indeed still buried alive. The comic focused on his past, and all his wives that he has had throughout the centuries. The comic ends with the heavy implication that one of them will be looking for him and possibly rescuing him.

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I definitely think Adam will come into play at some point. He probably holds clues to the mystery of why Claire no longer feels pain, for one thing. He's related to her somehow. Maybe he's Angela's father?
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My personal theory is that he is all of their Fathers/Great Great Grandfathers/ etc.

From what we have seen last season, he is the ground zero patient, the original person with powers, and has been around a looooong time, plenty of time to father a whole bunch of "specials".

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I must be watching a different show than everybody else; I'm loving what we've gotten so far.

The only problem with the dump-it-and-catch-it-on-DVD mentality is that if too many people do that, the show won't last long enoug to catch it later on DVD.
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The only problem with the dump-it-and-catch-it-on-DVD mentality is that if too many people do that, the show won't last long enoug to catch it later on DVD.

I think the show will be fine, i'm sure that those going the DVD route is quite small compared to the shows legion of rabid fans who watch it every week.
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Re: Heroes - Season Three

I figure "Gossip Girl" needs more eyeballs if it hopes to stay alive, along with "Terminator" and later, "Reaper"
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