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9/3/08 at 3:58am
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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

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I have no idea why the discussion about the B&W scenes has to be in this thread ?

Because there are black and white scenes in some versions of the movie and not others. Seems relevant to me


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9/3/08 at 10:21am
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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

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I hope RAH or Sam don't take it too personal if some posts from members from my PIX threads are abusive.

I'm used to it and I have a thick skin, I don't have any problems dealing with criticism of my reviews, no matter how personal or inane. If I didn't I wouldnt want any part of this but in some ways its amusing and it comes with the territory.

What I do have trouble with is the libelous posts about industry insiders (not just Mr. Harris!) by those hiding behind screen names that has penetrated AVS. Also that your screengrabs are being used by people with agendas that are far from wanting the format to succeed and are taken out of context and without consideration of what something looks like in motion, and without consideration for the whole look to a transfer that cannot be boiled down to a single frame. And finally that civil discourse has given way to shouting matches and lynch mobs. I want no part of that in my enjoyment of this hobby.

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9/3/08 at 1:33pm
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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

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The version of Kill Bill Vol. 1 with the color fight scene is not a "pre-rating version". It's a cut of the film that Tarantino prepared specifically for the Japanese market. Instead of the "Ancient Klingon Proverb" at the beginning, it opens with a dedication to 'Battle Royale' director Kinji Fukasaku. That version of the movie is only licensed for distribution in Japan.

As much as people assume that the House of Blue Leaves scene switches to black & white at the demand of the MPAA, that sequence was actually meant as an homage to '70s kung-fu movies such as 'Heroes Two', which aired on American TV with similar transitions to tone down the violence of their action scenes. That's exactly the sort of obscure genre reference that Tarantino thrives on. He plays against the "toning down" effect by making the scene as ridiculously over-the-top violent as he can, such that even in black & white it could never get past a TV censor. It's the conflict between these two opposing forces that gives the scene its dynamic tension.

Since Japanese TV censors never altered those kung-fu movies like that, the Japanese audience wouldn't get the joke, so Tarantino presented the scene in really garish colors, which instead becomes an homage to the B-movie work of Japanese directors like Seijun Suzuki.
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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

That makes sense to me. Thanks for that quote (and other tidbits), MatS.

Now, I don't feel like I need to hold back on picking this set up, especially since I never bought the DVDs.

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9/4/08 at 5:10am
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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

I would like to have a proper link/interview from QT about this, since this particular quote (from the reviewer) doesn´t have any proper links... Sure, his comments could be 100% the "truth" etc, but since there are no links...

But yes (and again), we would need BOTH versions of these...

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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

I could be wrong about this, but I could've sworn that aside from the Asian version of the "Crazy 88" sequence being in color vs. black-and-white, the Asian version also has a few additional shots of gory mayhem in there. I'll have to check my copy of the Japanese version again against my copy of the U.S. release to be sure, but I remember there being some bits in the color sequence that are missing from the black-and-white version.

Plus, Sophie Fatale's fate is toned down considerably and the anime sequence also has some juicy bits removed compared to the Asian releases.

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9/4/08 at 6:49pm
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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

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Originally Posted by Vincent_P
I could be wrong about this, but I could've sworn that aside from the Asian version of the "Crazy 88" sequence being in color vs. black-and-white, the Asian version also has a few additional shots of gory mayhem in there. I'll have to check my copy of the Japanese version again against my copy of the U.S. release to be sure, but I remember there being some bits in the color sequence that are missing from the black-and-white version.

Plus, Sophie Fatale's fate is toned down considerably and the anime sequence also has some juicy bits removed compared to the Asian releases.
I'll have to rewatch the anime sequence(can't remember), but the Crazy 88 scene does have extra "gore" scenes. Pretty neat.

                          

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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

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Originally Posted by Vincent_P
I could be wrong about this, but I could've sworn that aside from the Asian version of the "Crazy 88" sequence being in color vs. black-and-white, the Asian version also has a few additional shots of gory mayhem in there. I'll have to check my copy of the Japanese version again against my copy of the U.S. release to be sure, but I remember there being some bits in the color sequence that are missing from the black-and-white version.

Plus, Sophie Fatale's fate is toned down considerably and the anime sequence also has some juicy bits removed compared to the Asian releases.

Vincent

My older post from the other thread (there are many, can´t keep track myself.. ):

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Originally Posted by Jari K
I assume, that "Vol.1" will be the "US R-rated Theatrical"-version (a shorter animated sequence and the 2nd part of the ""The House Of Leaves fight" is in black and white rather than colour - some screenshots: Schnittbericht :: Kill Bill: Vol. 1 :: Schnittberichte.com (Mehr als 4300 weitere Zensurberichte zu Filmen, Spielen, Comics ...) ) and with "Vol.2", again the Asian-releases had extra 45 sec scene at the Mexican brothel (some screenshots: Schnittbericht :: Kill Bill: Vol. 2 :: Schnittberichte.com (Mehr als 4300 weitere Zensurberichte zu Filmen, Spielen, Comics ...) ).

Some screencaps there (text in German, though). It´s quite hard to "ignore" the Japanese/Asian-version ("Vol.1", I mean), since those screencaps alone tells plenty about that version (IMO: It kicks ass! ).

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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

The Japanese version is pretty kick-ass, if only for "GIVE ME YOUR OTHER ARM!!".

As such, I wasn't gonna touch the US theatrical editions on BD with a barge pole - ESPECIALLY with The Whole Bloody Affair waiting in the wings too - but Mr Harris' glowing assessment has once again made me click on the 'buy' button. Damn.
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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
After Gangs of New York being revisited by Disney on Blu-ray, I was concerned about what might occur with Mr. Tarantino's Kill Bill epic.

After screening them this evening, I can tell you that I need not have been.

The two Kill Bills have been meticulously brought to Blu-ray, with color, densities and black & white images intact, and with a resounding soundtrack ready to clean the lint from one's speakers.


RAH

You're totally right here Robert. These look and sound excellent!

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Re: A few words about...™ Kill Bill: Volumes 1 & 2 -- in Blu-ray

Am I too understand that Mr. Harris no longer goes to AVS forum? If not then that is a shame because I find it to be a very useful place. I personally do not post there (I don't have the time to post in two forums) but the information available is astounding. I've been saved a pretty penny because Xylon and others and wished I had read other threads and avoided some purchases I regret.

A lot of people have rightly taken issue with numerous releases this last year. I look at U-571 and cringe. The DTheater was exceptional. The HD-DVD was not quite as exceptional, having been filtered, but still nice. The Blu-Ray release was very poor, having clearly been further degrained and filtered. The differences in all three is clear as day. The BD was a massive step down.

Pointing that out is not complaining over nothing. It's completely legit to talk about these things. Same with DARK CITY, which has numerous problems. The list goes on.

In regards to KILL BILL, I have them recorded on DVHS, as do others and know that the masters are good. So I have sat back and patiently waited for confirmation that the BD releases will be superb. Now I know. They are and I can walk to Best Buy this week and pick them up without worry.

With other upcoming releases I will hope for the best. I'm not trying to find something wrong with these releases. I'm hoping they are all grand because I love film and I want to see my setup shine.

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