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American Idol - Season 8

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I just saw this:

'Idol' adding fourth judge - CNN.com



Idol is adding a fourth judge-- Kara DioGuardi. I hadn't heard of her before, but according to the article her songs "have been recorded by Kelly Clarkson, Christina Aguilera, Gwen Stefani, Celine Dion, Faith Hill, Carrie Underwood and Pink, among others."

I think this may be only the first of some interesting changes that may be in store for Season 8. I think they're looking to keep things fresh. I think adding a fourth judge could do that. Adding a fourth judge is a much better solution than replacing one of the current three. As much ambivalence as I have towards Randy and Paula, it may have been too much of a change to actually replace one of them.
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And, of course, Nigel Lythgoe is leaving. I think they've vowed to cut down on the wacky audition episodes. They need a balance, as this season's Nashville Star covering the auditions in brief before launching right into the competition wasn't a great solution either. I like seeing Hollywood Week and getting to know these people a little beforehand.
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I think they've vowed to cut down on the wacky audition episodes.

I thought I had heard that too. I'm definately OK with that. In the first couple seasons, the audition shows were great with all the wacky try-outs. But as the seasons went on, it became painfully obvious that people were "trying to be bad". And that's just not funny.
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Yeah. I think they ought to have a week or maybe two of auditions, but if anyone is obviously trying to make an ass out of themselves, leave them on the cutting room floor. I was actually angry last season, having to see that idiot who dressed up like Slave Leia. No way should that have made it to air.
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For example, William Hung. He was hilarious because of his sincerity.
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And I liked that guy who sang the "brothers forever" song. Bringing him back with the USC band was one of the few highlights of this season's finale.
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Who is forcing you to watch all the audition episodes?
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Nice kneejerk, but it doesn't seem to have much to do with the discussion Bryan and I were having. The *producers* have said the auditions episodes will be scaled back. I said they probably should be scaled back a little since people do complain, but they should not be eliminated as Nashville Star basically did. And, Bryan and I both agreed that the auditions can be fun if they don't give the limelight to jerks who will do anything to get on the air.
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Who is forcing you to watch all the audition episodes?

Not sure where that came from.

+1 Greg
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It should be fairly obvious- people complain about the audition episodes, so I pointed out that they don't have to watch them.

Is that so hard to understand?
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It is more about the content of the audition episodes, many are tired of the "contestants" just trying to get air time by being a joke of a contestant, but audition episodes featuring viable and interesting contestants are fine. People are tired of sifting through the auditions to get a few worthy audition nuggets. People want a higher signal-to-noise ratio.

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Each season has a finite number of episodes. People that prefer other aspects of the show to the audition episodes, would probably rather see the auditions scaled back. It's not that anyone forced them to watch the auditions, it's that the amount of time dedicated to those episodes reduced the time available for the non-audition part of the season.
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They don't need to ADD a fourth judge; they just need to replace Randy and Paula. They're tired and add nothing to the show at this point.

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Basically they should just separate the auditions to please everybody. On Tuesday night they have the good auditions and on Wednesday night they have the bad auditions.

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They don't need to ADD a fourth judge; they just need to replace Randy and Paula. They're tired and add nothing to the show at this point.

You can put a new hat on crap, but it's still just crap with a hat.

I wouldn't miss Paula. I don't know about adding a fourth opinion. Maybe it'll be okay, but it seems like a show is on the way out when they start doing stuff like this.
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It should be fairly obvious- people complain about the audition episodes, so I pointed out that they don't have to watch them.

Is that so hard to understand?

You might want to re-read our posts. We only commented that the people trying to be goofy weren't funny. There's a lot more to the audition episodes than that-- which is why we watch them. So to come in here and act like we are comletely bashing the auditions and acting like we're being forced to watch them did come out of left field.

Anyway, no one is forcing you to read this thread.

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They don't need to ADD a fourth judge; they just need to replace Randy and Paula. They're tired and add nothing to the show at this point.

I don't know. I mean, I agree that Paula and Randy don't add much to the show (seal clapping and dawgs notwithstanding). But I think it may be better to, atleast initially, bring in a fourth judge. Then next year, once the new judge has a year under her belt, they could consider dropping Paula or Randy.

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Maybe it'll be okay, but it seems like a show is on the way out when they start doing stuff like this.

You could be right. But I guess I'd rather them try to shake things up a bit in a effort to revitalize the show than the let it die a stagnant death.

At least they haven't completely run the show into the ground like Survivor by airing two seasons every year.
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Looks like a lot of changes are on the way:
  • "American Idol 8" will have 36 instead of 24 contestants
  • the audition episodes will be reduced while the pre-semifinal Hollywood round episodes will be increased
  • the wild card round will return, giving eliminated contestants the chance to compete for one of the top 12 finalist spots
  • the show's focus on "bad singers" will be minimized
  • “Idol Gives Back,” the show's charity telethon, will not air this year

Report: ?Idol? to make changes in 2009 - American Idol- msnbc.com
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the show's focus on "bad singers" will be minimized

I know some will be disappointed, but I couldn't be happier about that item. While there's some minor value in showing people who are delusional about their singing ability (hopefully to keep them from trying out and/or thinking they can be singers), I watch the show for good performances, not bad ones.

Unfortunately, there's no change in the other thing I didn't like about last season -- themes before moving to the big stage. My favorite part of the show during seasons 4-6 were when the selected contestants got to sing their favorites on the intimate stage. The sound was great, and there's nothing like hearing good singers sing a favorite song/rendition picked from any song Idol has the rights to. I can see the value in exploring the versatility of the singers by pushing them out of their genres, but the goosebump moments for me come when watching, say, Daughtry singing Rock (not Stevie Wonder), or Melinda Doolittle doing R&B (not Queen songs). All I ask is for a few weeks of that, like they did in S4-S6.

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Add me to the list of people who are happy to have less of the auditions.

Most of the bad ones are people who are willing to do anything to get on camera, and the producers let them. This just gives fewer good singers a chance. Plus, it is never good to reward bad behavior.

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Ok, I admit, I liked the fake auditions, and I generally stop watching the show after the audition episodes. I don't watch the rest of the series, but I enjoy those. So, kind of news I didn't want, but I appreciate those who watch the whole series do.

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“Idol Gives Back,” the show's charity telethon, will not air this year

What incredibly bad timing from a social viewpoint.
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I think that they could have an American Idol Auditions show airing on a cable only channel like FX. Since they already have the footage it wouldn't cost the network much to put it on television. That way fans of the show could chuckle at at the horrible auditions without taking time away from the talented singers who are worthy of being on prime time television.
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Too bad about Idol Gives Back, but the other changes are minor and are OK by me.

I'm just pissed that they cancelled Next Great American Band. (Judging from the time slot and lack of promotion, I think they never really intended to let it survive.)

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On a slightly related note, it seems Canadian Idol won't be on in 2009:

Canadian Idol cancelled for 2009 (update) - The Ampersand

It's a shame, too, as in my (albeit biased) opinion, Canadian Idol is vastly superior to American Idol. Most of those changes to AI, like the four judges, the reduced emphasis on "bad" singers, and a reduced audition round, have been all staples of the Canadian version for years (and, I assume, other versions such as the UK and AUS).

edit: I agree with Aaron, about American Band. *That* show was vastly superior in almost every way to the any episode/season of Idol.
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Although I like to watch the genuinely bad performances, it's gotten to the point where contestants are trying to be bad and that's just not funny to me.

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pre-semifinal Hollywood round episodes will be increased

I'm all for this as long as we're talking about showing more of those performances-- too often we get to the final 24 and most of them you really don't know much about. But if they're intending to use the extra Hollywood air-time to show the behind-the-scenes drama, then .

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“Idol Gives Back,” the show's charity telethon, will not air this year


What incredibly bad timing from a social viewpoint.

Eh, maybe they're just concerned that with the economic climate, they won't be able to get people to donate at the level they have in previous years and they don't want AI to be perceived as losing it's clout.
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I saw Ryan Seacrest at Disney's Hollywood Studios (in FL) recently shooting a promo - not for the show but for the Idol attraction that's coming to the park in 2009.
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Season 8 kicks off a week from tomorrow. I'm anxious to see what kind of judge Kara DioGuardi is. Hopefully not another Paula.
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As Tina Turner once sang, we don't need another Paula.
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Basically they should just separate the auditions to please everybody. On Tuesday night they have the good auditions and on Wednesday night they have the bad auditions.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, NOOOOOOO!!!!!!

The BEST part about the audition section is that you don't know until they actually start singing whether they suck or are inspired. You have your guesses, but you don't know until they start for real.
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Yeah, it's much better to force people who are interested in a talent competition to sit through disgusting tripe. Now not only do we want to see worst of auditions, we want to make sure people who aren't interested in it can't avoid it. Unfortunately, the producers agree with you. They don't want to lose any viewer, so they try to make sure you don't know what you're getting when, forcing you to sit through (and view) it all. That also applies to people only interested in the worst of additions. They don't know when they're going to see them, so they have to sit through the "good" (I doubt those people really think they're good) ones.

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Yeah, it's much better to force people who are interested in a talent competition to sit through disgusting tripe. Now not only do we want to see worst of auditions, we want to make sure people who aren't interested in it can't avoid it. Unfortunately, the producers agree with you. They don't want to lose any viewer, so they try to make sure you don't know what you're getting when, forcing you to sit through (and view) it all. That also applies to people only interested in the worst of additions. They don't know when they're going to see them, so they have to sit through the "good" (I doubt those people really think they're good) ones.
That's why I don't bother with watching AI until they get down to the Top 12.

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