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8/15/08 at 9:59am
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Well, here I am starting another weird thread. Apparently, some hunters have found the body of an actual Bigfoot/Sasquatch. They are supposed to reveal their findings to the press today. I am strangely interested in this.

Body proves Bigfoot no myth, hunters say - CNN.com

It really would not shock me to learn that the legend of Bigfoot was real. I live in British Columbia, Canada. When you see just how vast the forests are, it makes me think that I just might be possible for a large species like this to remain hidden. The panda bear was a myth for a long time as well.

Of course, this could also (and more likely be) a scam or publicity stunt etc.

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8/15/08 at 10:15am
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"But he said that even in north Georgia, home to the Blue Ridge Mountains and the foot of the Appalachian Trail, it stretches the imagination to think a family of 7-foot-tall creatures could have eluded hunters, hikers and creeping development until now."

This is exactly why I DON'T believe in Bigfoot. But, I will be the first to self-correct when real science and experts back up their claim.

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8/15/08 at 10:22am
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Over at randi.org, there's a thread where someone posted some pictures of the body and matched it up to a bigfoot costume sold online. I'm thinking hoax.
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8/15/08 at 12:23pm
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the news conference is oddly compelling, and I can't seem to stop watching...

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8/15/08 at 12:28pm
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Scott, I thought of your UFO thread as soon as I saw the article.

I am skeptical. There's something off about that picture. The eyes don't look right, it looks more like a mask. Also, I have seen many dead wild animals over the years and this just doesn't look like a dead animal to me. Usually there is more dirt and bloating and decay, and while the guts tumbling out of the stomach look like real intestines, it is rare to ever find that in nature because things dry up and rot pretty fast (or are eaten by other animals). There is a whole "posed" look to the body. If I really found a strange body in the woods, I wouldn't take it home and put it in my freezer!

I'm saying hoax too.

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The face looks just like Cornelius from Planet of the Apes!

If its a hoax, i hope the 2 law officers are not the perpetrators.
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8/15/08 at 1:17pm
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"a pair of Bigfoot-hunting hobbyists from north Georgia"

I think this sums it up. I'm from Atlanta, but I know what types of people dwell in north Georgia, and south Georgia for that matter.
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8/17/08 at 11:29am
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Suprise Suprise..
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Bigfoot?


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I just knew Bigfoot was a cross between a human and a opposum! This proves Bigfioot is real!
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8/17/08 at 3:08pm
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It's jerks that perpetrate a hoax like this that give Bigfoot enthusiasts a bad name.

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As it stands the Patterson footage, and the audio recordings of Bigfoot in Northern California are 100% scientifically accurate and not a hoax.

                          

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8/17/08 at 3:13pm
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Maybe we need the Admins to merge this thread with the baby-opposum-played-dead-oops thread.
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And as it turns out these two guys are not exactly police officers as one is on administrative leave and the other a former prison guard.

They are owners of bigfoottracker.com and Bigfoot Global LLC, a company that offers Bigfoot expeditions. This according to searchingforbigfoot.com that is Tom Biscardi’s organization (and who these guys called, “the real Bigfoot hunter”).

What a surprise that this trio would put out a hoax designed to increase business.

This means that the real Bigfoot hunter as verified a non-real Bigfoot—so real in this case means “not qualified”.
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8/18/08 at 7:52am
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Bummer. It is not like I am a Bigfoot Enthusiast or anything, but it really would have been cool if it had turned out to be true.
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8/18/08 at 8:12am
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Oh so the seven foot bipedal hairy man beast isn't real? Drats. I figured after all this time he would have at least wandered into some rural town and ate out of a dumpster, like every other wild creature on this planet. That's just me using logic, but the bigfoot experts say he is to smart for that! This is so disappointing!!!!!

on a serious note, the news agencies have got to stop reporting this crap.
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A rare shot of sasquatch actually posing for the camera, and letting it all hang out.

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8/18/08 at 10:27am
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It's jerks that perpetrate a hoax like this that give Bigfoot enthusiasts a bad name.

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As it stands the Patterson footage, and the audio recordings of Bigfoot in Northern California are 100% scientifically accurate and not a hoax.

Ummm... your being sarcastic right? Just in case...

Exposing Roger Patterson's 1967 Bigfoot film hoax: new revelations shed light on a world-famous, much-debated film supposedly showing a Bigfoot creature | Skeptical Inquirer | Find Articles at BNET

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After nearly forty years of secrecy, the truth behind the world-famous Roger Patterson Bigfoot film has been revealed. The man who actually wore the costume and played the role of Bigfoot in the film has been located and has made a full confession. Moreover, the husband and wife team who made and sold the Bigfoot costume that Patterson used to fake his movie have also confessed, and several other important eyewitnesses have come forth with corroborating evidence. In a new book, The Making of Bigfoot: The Inside Story (Prometheus Books, 2004), Seattle-based author Greg Long reveals details of the hoax, the result of a six-year investigation which also clandestinely involved author Kal Korff.
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The Truth Before our Eyes

I found this answer to the charges of fakery interesting. I've watched the film a number of times and I remain unconvinced that it is a hoax. That film is about the only thing that actually looks authentic when it comes to a Bigfoot sighting.

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True. Bigfoot is really real. Actually, he is also a chameleon, that's why he is spotted so rarely. Maybe he is related to the Predator. Long live the bigfoot! You know, me being a smartass in this thread almost gaurantees that the next time I go camping I'll be ripped to pieces by the bigfoot. Karma is a beyotch.
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It's a big world and they find new species of animals every day (not to mention that a number of species go extinct every day) so I'll never understand why people dismiss the possibility of a missing link outright. I'm sure most Bigfoot sightings are either mistaken or outright lies but that doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't exist either.
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It's a big world and they find new species of animals every day (not to mention that a number of species go extinct every day) so I'll never understand why people dismiss the possibility of a missing link outright. I'm sure most Bigfoot sightings are either mistaken or outright lies but that doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't exist either.

no one has here I don't think. I really doubt they well ever be found in North america though. not like there's thousands of miles of uncharted territory left. And if theirs. ahem... "There are only estimates. The informed estimates range from roughly 2000 - 6000 individuals for all of North America (which includes all Canada and southern Alaska)." If their was that many, I'm sure hunters would be tripping over them constantly no? none have been observed other then the (being polite here) Patterson film, no DNA gathered and analyzed by a reputable source, no foot prints that were not proven fake by actual anthropologist and zoologists...... it's safe to say they haven't been found yet.
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8/18/08 at 4:55pm
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That film is about the only thing that actually looks authentic when it comes to a Bigfoot sighting.
And if that's the best evidence out there after many, many years of searching - evidence that is at best questionable - then there really isn't much. And considering the size of the beast in question, the claims made about it and the fact that most of the facts have been proven to be hoaxes, it should take some rather extraordinary evidence to prove Bigfoot. Given that, I think the simpler answer is that he doesn't exist.

As Russell said, that's different than saying it CANNOT exist. But Occam's Razor should really point towards the likely solution.
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And if that's the best evidence out there after many, many years of searching - evidence that is at best questionable - then there really isn't much. And considering the size of the beast in question, the claims made about it and the fact that most of the facts have been proven to be hoaxes, it should take some rather extraordinary evidence to prove Bigfoot. Given that, I think the simpler answer is that he doesn't exist.

As Russell said, that's different than saying it CANNOT exist. But Occam's Razor should really point towards the likely solution.
Exactly right. By the way, I've always thought Bigfoot was a rather dull subject for "paranormal" speculation. Why does anyone care if there's an apelike creature running around in North America (vs. known great apes in other parts of the world)? At least UFOs and the like have more interesting possibilities.
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Here is the follow-up aritcle explaining that, indeed, it was a hoax.

Bigfoot claim a fake, ex-enthusiast says - CNN.com

For the life of me I simply do not understand what people are thinking when setting up these hoaxes. What is the friggen point? They wont get rich. They wont be famous. They will just be known as lying jerks.

Jerks.
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It is stories like this that has prompted my recent ditching of CNN for news.
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They get to be on TV for a little bit though. Plus it's advertising for their goofy hunting thing. Tourists well still go, and they can show the tape of the press conference for a more total experience. They wont get rich, at least I hope not, but they well get something.
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Even if the Patterson film was fake, that does not discredit the many thousands of sightings by credible people(people know what a bear looks like) that has dated back to Native American truths of the western world.

Also I watched a special on the History channel about Bigfoot. The scientests and researchers involved in researching the Patterson film all came to the conclusion that a Human in a suit could not move the way the creature does. Unless that person had a severely broken ankle it would be physically impossible. I believe in Bigfoot. Until Gimlin states it's fake, I won't believe it's a hoax.


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Even if the Patterson film was fake, that does not discredit the many thousands of sightings by credible people(people know what a bear looks like) that has dated back to Native American truths of the western world.

Also I watched a special on the History channel about Bigfoot. The scientests and researchers involved in researching the Patterson film all came to the conclusion that a Human in a suit could not move the way the creature does. Unless that person had a severely broken ankle it would be physically impossible. I believe in Bigfoot. Until Gimlin states it's fake, I won't believe it's a hoax.

the reason why the Patterson film isn't credible evidence:

One fact which complicates discussion of the Patterson film is that Patterson says he normally filmed at 24 frames per second, but in his haste to capture the Bigfoot on film, he did not note the camera's setting. His Cine-Kodak K-100 camera had markings on its continuously variable dial of 16, 24, 32, 48, and 64 frames per second and was capable of filming at any frame speed within this range. The speed of the film is important because, as Napier writes, "if the movie was filmed at 24 frame/s then the creature's walk cannot be distinguished from a normal human walk. If it was filmed at 16 or 18 frame/s, there are a number of important respects in which it is quite unlike man's gait" (Napier, 94 [2nd printing]). Unfortunately, the film is so shaky that it is difficult to be certain which speed is correct.

It also casts doubts on Patterson himself, since he wouldn't confirm the speed. DISCOVERY CHANNEL and HISTORY always run crypto-zological specials for sweeps. Doesn't mean it's true. A&E has a reality show about psychic kids and psychic detectives, despite there being no credible evidence of psychic powers.

As far as credible people seeing them... again, who knows? They never have evidence. My dad claims to see UFO on a near weekly bases, yet he has no real proof other then stories of lights darting about like all the other sighting stories. Curious about the "experts", on the shows I've seen (and I've seen a bunch) and they always seem to be missing crucial evidence. I have no problem discounting legends.
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Bigfoot found? One giant severed foot? Oops. Wrong Scott McGillivray thread.
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Also I watched a special on the History channel about Bigfoot. The scientests and researchers involved in researching the Patterson film all came to the conclusion that a Human in a suit could not move the way the creature does. Unless that person had a severely broken ankle it would be physically impossible.

I saw that, too. But other researchers have come to different conclusions. Rick Baker has said the Patterson creature is obviously a man in a suit, and not even a good suit. You should follow the long thread on Randi.org regarding the Patterson film. There really is overwhelming circumstantial evidence that it's a fake, though no one can prove anything either way.

I used to be a hardcore Bigfoot believer, but I pretty much don't believe anymore for the simple fact that, after all this time, someone would have come up with SOMETHING definitive. Peter Byrne said in 1975, "I think we'll come to a conclusion quite soon." Over 30 years later, nothing.

People like to cite the 1902 discovery of the mountain gorilla as proof that a large primate could live undetected in the "modern world." The part of the story they leave out is that the mountain gorilla was found on the VERY FIRST expedition that went looking for it.

But there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of expeditions into the wilderness to look for Bigfoot, and after 50 years of searching, no one has come up with one piece of hard, indisputable evidence. I can come to no other conclusion than there's nothing out there to find. I hope I'm wrong, but...

I can't explain why so many credible witnesses have apparently seen a bigfoot. Then again, no one can explain why, over 50 years, no one has caught, shot, or gotten really good, indisputable film footage of a bigfoot.
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