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re: Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overboard.
Everyone is going to have opinions, some more extreme than others. They are entitled to them, and we are entitled to ours. We are also entitled to ascribe whatever weight we wish to those opinions.
No point in trying to rein those opinions in unless they become personal attacks. In that situation, the admins are able to control the situation.
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re: Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overboard.
The only danger I see with the extreme critiquing is that studio reps, who peruse these threads, are going to start thinking that we are a bunch of whining nutters. If they start to see us in that light then the opinions being expressed are going to be heavily discounted in their eyes.
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re: Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overboard.
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Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overoard?*
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For you?
YES!
For me?
NO!
*you forgot the question mark in the title.
It is a question, isn't it?
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re: Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overboard.
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IMO, yes. It's not a perfect format. Is it better then SD, yes, but some people expect the perfect image, not going to happen. Enjoy the film, don't nit-pick the quality of the image.
It's threads like "Dark City" that tell me some people will never be happy, no matter what they get. Even if it was the perfect image they'll find something wrong with it.
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re: Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overboard.
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Glad your taking all this 'junk' w/a wink & a smile!
Good thread.
Both sides have too be considered.
And we're not all the same, nor do we have all the same displays.
Hope both sides gets us better HDM.
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re: Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overboard.
It's not so much the complaints as the hyperbole that is sometimes tiresome.
Comments like "unwatchable" or "butchered" or the like really deflate a lot of credibility. Same applies to lossy tracks as "unlistenable". Are they really "unwatchable" and "unlistenable"? Really?
I get the disappointment with some titles. I do. I was looking forward to adding Patton on BD to my collection (it's gone from a blind buy to a rental owing to the persuasive comments from RAH, among others). But I doubt even RAH (he's free to correct me if I'm wrong, of course) would seriously say Patton on BD is "unwatchable". Because if it is, then ANYTHING on VHS should never have been bothered with (see how hyperbole becomes silly?).
Complaints are fine--if and when warranted. But it is a good rule of thumb that to complain and be credible, one should shy away from hyperbole, save in those exceedingly rare instances where extreme comments are appropriate.
As for Speed Racer, am I happy it won't be lossless? Not especially. But I doubt it will be "unlistenable". It may have dropped to a rental rather than a blind buy for me (and I'm a huge fan of the film, as well as the original), but only if I encounter reports that it is poor in the visual department as well. But that's my choice. Lossless audio is not as important to me as it appears to be to many others. I have no problem with that and I would not suggest that anyone abandon their personal principles over what they are willing to spend hard-earned money on. I would just like to see a bit less hyperbole (there's enough of that from marketers and politicians already).
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re: Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overboard.
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Everyone is going to have opinions, some more extreme than others. They are entitled to them, and we are entitled to ours. We are also entitled to ascribe whatever weight we wish to those opinions.
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I agree with Stephen.
That being said, we don´t always have to "agree". These "DNR ruined this title - I saw one screencap from the net!"-type of threads will be with us now and we have to deal with them in a mature way. Some of these threads will be more valid than others and some very important/helpful, but some will be merely general whining and complaining. So you kinda have to judge yourself how much weight you put on these threads/opinions/facts.
Ps. What comes to "Sony and PR slogans", one company had "The Look and Sound of PERFECT"-slogan..
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re: Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overboard.
PaulDA nailed it--the complaints are (usually) valid and the studios should be held accountable for failing to provide the best of their capabilities, but the level of hyperbole and vitriol from dissenting purchasers has (for me) risen to the point of absurdity. Is PATTON (as a random example) everything it should have been? No. But is it unwatchable...or even close? Not by a country mile. Is DNR on par with pan-and-scanning? There aren't enough drugs in the world to make me buy into that line, but a certain vocal minority would certainly like to make the case otherwise...
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re: Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overboard.
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Is PATTON (as a random example) everything it should have been? No. But is it unwatchable...or even close? Not by a country mile. Is DNR on par with pan-and-scanning? There aren't enough drugs in the world to make me buy into that line, but a certain vocal minority would certainly like to make the case otherwise...
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I fully agree. Valid arguments and complaints are part of the A/V-world, but there are limits to everything.
edit: I personally would love to get "lossless"-audio on *every* Blu-ray-release (with 50gb disc!), JUST as I wanted DTS on every SD DVD-release back in the days. But, the lack of "lossless" won´t stop me from buying - let alone *enjoying* the film. JUST like it didn´t stop from enjoying those SD DVD-releases without the DTS-track.
My point? There are "complains" and then there are "complains".
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re: Has detailed critiquing of Blu-Rays gone overboard.
Absolutely there is nothing wrong with demanding high standards, but sometimes the way you demand goes a long way to getting what you want.
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