Terminator 1 & 2

Here's a question for the forum:

What kind of features might you want to see on a new BD version of the first Terminator film?

Or for T2, for that matter?

Obviously, the first thing is to try to include everything that was on the previous DVDs, but beyond that, what would make it worthwhile?

Thanks,

V

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A commentary track featuring either james cameron, michael biehn, or gale ann hurd would be good.

importing the extras from the standard dvd would be good. I know that some would probably want the original mono soundtrack for it.

I would like to see the EE of T2 on bluray. I prefer that version. perhap a commentary with edward furlong on that bluray.
when I got my ps3 on bluray. I got 10 free movies. I think I got t1 and T2 for free.
Jacob

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I'd love to have a commentary on The Terminator and multiple tracks would be even better (a solo Cameron track, an actors' track or a track featuring people who made behind the scenes contributions). Overall, I'd like to see The Terminator get the type of in-depth look that T2 got. Also, I think something highlighting Stan Winston's contribution to the movie would be very nice as well.

I think T2 has gotten a pretty thorough treatment over the years but if there's some cool stuff still in the archives, let's see it.

Van, did anyone at Lightstorm have any input on the T1 or T2 Blu Ray discs?

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Hmmm... Beyond what's been said, how 'bout something like a countdown to Skynet as some sort of GUI/pop-up menu "skin" or some such (and there are probably other similar/tangential possibilities as well). Just the first thing that comes to mind now.

And specifically for T2 (and probably T3 as well), maybe it's possible for the menu features/navigations to take on a morphing characteristic (particularly for transitions) to resemble the T1000's capabilities. Not sure if that's really feasible w/ BD-J, but just thought I'd throw that out there anyway.

_Man_

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On T2, the coverage has been so amazingly thorough that it's hard to imagine what hasn't been done. I just hope the theatrical cut always remains an option; it's still my favorite version.

OK, I just thought of one thing, and it's pretty minor. There's a great special feature (which I think dates back to LD days) showing the multiple takes used to assemble the "helicopter jump" scene. I'd love to see an editing breakdown of the storm drain truck-and-motorcycle chase. Even after all these years, I still find it an unsurpassed masterpiece of action editing.

And oh yes: We must have the Guns 'n' Roses video!

M.

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Van,

For both films, have the covers use the actual font used in the film on the covers. 1080p with all the film grain intact. No quotes, just damn kick ass layouts and artwork. Same goes for the menus too. EASTER EGGS DAMMIT!

How about a port of the German Ultimate Edition HDDVD of T2 released by Kinowelt? Of course with lossless audio, on a BD-50 and if there's not enough space, relegate all the extras, sans commentary of course, to a second disc. Don't put it in a standard Blu-ray case. Nah, this film deserves a nice digipak and an insanely thick booklet. Practically everything ported over from the Ultimate and Extended Region 1 US DVD releases for this. And of course since I import and I know of many else who do, don't apply Region encoding to this. Both cuts via seamless branching please. Or all 4 cuts. Since I've seen a fanedit online which adds the T-1000 searching Jonh Connors room but drops the Future Coda ending.

For THE TERMINATOR, port everything from the Special Edition as a BD-50. Lossless ORIGINAL MONO AUDIO! I don't care one bit about the foley-added remixes so those can be lossy if it matters. Just a ton of kick ass extras of course including the commentary.

Not that it matters, I don't even own a Blu-ray player yet (waiting for a better price on a Profile 2.0 player) and these two titles are the ones I'd add to the Blu-ray side of my High Definition collection. (I own one BD title and 22 HDDVD ones.) Perhaps a double-pack set with Steelbook packaging? I enjoy looking at my shelf and alot of the nicer designed releases are chosen more often to be watched.
Long post but of course I import quite alot and just would like a definitive release. Hell, if these are released even before I buy I player, I'd buy them Van.

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Van,

Please, Please, Please include the Guns and Roses video for Terminator 2. We will pay extra for Blu-Ray. This was an incredible video. But sadly, it was not part of the Ultimate Dvd package.

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Van,

As said above, it seems that T2 has been done as thoroughly as it can be, as far as actual additional content is concerned. But it would be nice to see an 'Ultimate' Blu edition take everything from the Ultimate and Extreme DVD editions and combine that with a brand new transfer (the current 1080p24 master is five years old, right?) and remixed 7.1 lossless audio. The theatrical cut is a must.

As for the original (and best ) Terminator movie, all I ask for is the original mono audio - or failing that, a NEW remix that is as faithful as possible, keeping the booming shotguns and the Dirty-Harry-esque 'ka-pow!' of Arnie's .45 longslide, not to mention the missing music cue as the tanker explodes.

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Just like in The Abyss thread, I echo the sentiments of everyone else. Off the top of my head:

-original mono for T1
-an audio commentary or two (Cameron and Hurd on one + the visual and make-up FX crews on the other)
-a tribute to Stan Winston (a must!)
-one of your excellent trivia tracks

-regarding T2, everything from the existing DVDs including all the LD supplements, vintage interviews, vintage commentary, Cameron/Wisher commentary, trivia track, multiple versions, etc.
-the Guns 'n' Roses music video
-perhaps a piece on T1 and T2's place in the sci-fi/action genre, reminiscent of the Blade Runner "Fans and Filmmakers" segment (interviews with critics, film historians, other filmmakers, etc.)

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Terminator
All DVD features ported over
Trivia Track
PiP track

Terminator 2
All Extreme,Ultimate and Laserdisc extras ported over
Trivia Track
Guns & Roses Music Video
PiP Track

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i second that

as for the 5.1 re-mix done a for the dvd, i never understood why there are so many sfx changed in the bad way. the sound of the terminators gun when he kills the wrong sarah just feels out of place.

if there is ever going to be a real re-mix it should be done from scratch with all the classic sfx used in t1 and t2. t3 had this aweful new sounds for the plasma rifles. this was so disturbing for me just like the sfx change in alien 4 and avp1.

for t1 and t2 i also like to see all the trailers in high-def. the teaser trailer for t2 is to this date one my absolute favorites and perfectly represents what a true teaser trailer should be. the last of this kind was for a rather bad film: resident evil 2. but hey, the teaser for it was pretty damn funny.

as for a 7.1 lossless audio mix for t2, i can only say: don't do it!!! the film was mixed in 5.1 and that's the way it should be on br. the only way i'd accept a 7.1 sound is if gary rydstrom returns for the re-mix and mr. cameron approves the final result.

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Terminator: Just bring The Terminator over to BD with all of the features of the SE DVD (the full "Other Voices" doc -- great work on that -) and I'll be a happy man! (The new 5.1 audio is fine with me!) An interactive BD-J "Trivia Track" would be nice, of course.

T2: I'm partial to the "Special Edition" (even the so-called "Happy Ending") so this is the transfer I'd like to have on BD. As others have stated, we need all of the supplements that were on the UE and the XE; again, an interactive "Trivia Track" would also be nice.

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I would also recommend that every unreleased deleted scene get put on bluray.

I some how seem to recall a scene in one of the trailers in which John Connor asks the Terminator if the T1000 can be killed and the T800 replies "unknown"

Id personally also would like to have the option to play the secret edition that was on the ultimate edition, but sadly missing from the extreme edition.

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Some personal request from a French customer : French subtitles on T2 on Blu would be great.

And maybe an extended cut for T1? There are really great deleted scenes on the DVD. I would really love to see them in the cut!

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good point merrick

the scene where the t1000 puts his gun in his body when he wants to kill sarah as louis or the scene when enrique puts a grenade in the t1000's mouth would be awesome to finally been seen.

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Van would know better than me but I'm 99.9% sure that those scenes weren't shot.

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Travis is correct: neither of those scenes were ever shot. The former was cut to reduce ILM's massive VFX costs for the CG work, and the latter was deleted before shooting for schedule/budget reasons.

As for Merrick's note about the scene from the trailer, that bit of dialogue was a simple beat excised for time from the existing scene between John and Terminator in the parking lot, and is too short a beat to justify making it an "extended" scene. But at least you have it in the trailer... ;-)

V

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The only thing I would add is that when the 1080p transfer is done for T1, please find a cleaner element or do some dirt cleanup/dustbusting. I never realised how dirty that print was until I watched it on my LCD.

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For Terminator, the inclusion of the film's original mono soundtrack is a must.

For T2, I'd like to see both cuts of the film included, without having to fiddle with secret codes or anything. The hidden third version from the "ultimate edition" DVD would be nice to have, too.

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Thanks for clearing that up. That bit of dialogue does seem interesting though.

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If we want to go all the way...

The Terminator 25th Anniversary Edition (released in time for Dawn of Fate) 3-disc set

Disc 1: Original theatrical cut

*Dolby 2.0 mono
*Dolby 2.0 stereo (the Chace laserdisc mix)
*Dolby Digital 5.1 EX (same as old dvd)
Audio commentary by James Cameron and others... (Arnie maybe?)
Original theatrical trailers and tv spots

Disc 2: 2009 Special Edition

restored version of the film with all (or at least most of) deleted scenes reincorporated

*Dolby Digital 5.1 EX
*DTS 6.1 ES

^I'm splitting these up for SD purposes, they could easily go on the same BR.

Disc 3: Bonus Materials

*original story treatment
*original screenplay
*Cameron Art and designs

Vintage featurettes:
The Terminator -- A Retrospective (1992)
Other Voices: The Making of the Terminator (2002)

New documentaries:
25th Anniversary reflection thing
A tribute to Stan Winston
Filmmakers tribute

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Great work Joel. I'd pay mucho dollars for an ultimate 3 disc set.

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What I would really like to see for a new edition of The Terminator:

1. Audio Commentary with at least James Cameron is a definitive must!
2. If any better masters are available (I hope the current version does not reflect the state of the o-neg!), use them.
3. No colour re-corrections or degraining if possible.
4. Original mono mix.
5. A tribute to Stan Winston.
6. Since it's James Cameron's first "own" movie, a tribute to James Cameron and his legacy would be perfect for this disc, though I can imagine this could be tricky legally.

Btw, in the factory scene at the end, just when the Terminator is coming to Kyle and Sarah, there is a very brief scene where we see the Terminator's POV looking at Kyle & Sarah, but without the red tinting and graphics overlay, yet the sound effects suggest we see it from this POV. Is this a mistake in the movie?

Thanks for listening to our wishes!

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The original Terminator is also one of those films that I would like to see some of the FX shots redone, especially the scene at the factory remove the stop motion and make the T800 full CGI.


Other than those things, I like the idea of the deleted scenes being restored into the film. I watched them again and I was frankly surprised they got cut.

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Great comments in here, especially Geoff's. I agree with getting what came before. If possible, I'd love to get some of the T2:3D material. It's great stuff, and a shame it's only available in Orlando.

I agree commentary tracks by Jim are always top-notch, so getting one for the first film should be high on the list. I think the tribute to Stan Winston would be appropriate.

Regarding T2, I think the response to the VFX would be interesting, considering that film is really the fulcrum of the CG industry.

I want the theatrical version of T2 available with the directors cut, if possible. And obviously, PQ and AQ are the most important things. I put my trust in you, good sir.

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Not to mention having Linda Hamilton superimposed by Lena Headey.

Seriously though, I'm happy just as long as they darken some of Arnie's intro. I definitely saw dangling schinkenwurst.

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Mr. Ling,

Any chance of a 35mm re-release for the 25th anniversary of The Terminator next year?

I caught a revival screening in San Franciso in April, and had a blast. The movie held up well and the (large) audience took it seriously: cheering, gasping and laughing at all the right moments.

Thanks for all the great work you've done,

Jonesy
MOVIE THEATRE REVIEWS

PS: Please no "Fathom Events" screenings.

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ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

And this is coming from someone who is nearly thrown out of the movie by the puppet used in the "eye removement" scene. Movies are always a product of their time, it's like painting a mustache over the Mona Lisa.

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Hollywood, too (that's where I saw it).

I think most of what I would want has already been said. Original audio on both films available in lossless, if a fancy 7.1 track is offered too (not instead) then that's cool as well. New masters that still keep all the grain and high-frequency detail intact (and get the lingering edge ringing out of T2 while we're at it) would be great. Both cuts of T2, provided via seamless branching. The extended cut's nice, but the theatrical cut moves at a steadier pace, so we might as well just get the best of both worlds.

Getting an audio commentary with James Cameron for the first film would be a great companion to the existing 'Other Voices' documentary, especially at this point in time.

The interactive mode from the T2 Extreme Edition was really neat, and I think it would be even better if the interviews and deleted scene storyboards and whatnot from that were redone in Picture-in-Picture form on Blu-ray. Retaining the ability to view them full-screen (maybe by pushing a button while it plays in the PiP window) would be appreciated too, though, if possible for those who want to go back for a closer look. It's my understanding that Profile 1.1 allows for switching on the fly like that. The end result would be much more streamlined and flexible than the DVD format allowed.

The HD DVD from Imagion/Kinowelt had a running script-to-storyboard-to-screen comparison and I wouldn't mind seeing something like that appear again (especially since you could only select it with the German audio track on that disc if I recall correctly).

The only BD-Live feature I can think of would be to use it for up-to-date filmographies and the like.

Nice Special Edition packaging would be awesome, maybe SteelBook or a sturdy digipak with a good collectable booklet (I miss those). I'm thinking along the lines of what was done for Close Encounters of the Third Kind on Blu-ray.

I know there are all sorts of requests for what to include on these discs, but with so many previous iterations of these films it would be great to finally be able to replace them all.

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Please, no Digipak. It is almost as bad as Warner's snapper cases. I'll end up trying to scan the Digipak case and create my own keepcase, like I had to do with "CE3K."

I do like the SteelBook cases, though. Saw some very cool ones at EMA in Vegas for "I Am Legend" and "Sweeney Todd."