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I don't know what there business policy is but it sure stinks. They release Night Court Season 1 as a bare bones set in what? 2004? And fail to produce the reamaining seasons. Then, 2 years later, they release Drew Carey season 1 on the DVD and guess what? Screwed again. And we've only got 1 season of Whose Line is it Anyway? as well.

I mean, seriously, who the hell is driving Warner's Home DVD sales department? A chimp? I've seriously got a bone to pick with who ever is in charge.

Warner Bros. Get your act together...please.
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While we're at it, where's Season 2-4 of HUCKLEBERRY HOUND?

WHV did do well with classic Hanna-Barbera releases until then. Wha' hoppen?

And, too often, their PACKAGING is that slimmer, cheaper packaging that Warner Home Video has used since the latter part of 2005, where one disc rests upon another. You cannot handle or remove DISC TWO without first removing or handling DISC ONE. There is always potential, however slight, for damage with packaging of this sort.
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I don't know what there business policy is but it sure stinks. They release Night Court Season 1 as a bare bones set in what? 2004? And fail to produce the reamaining seasons. Then, 2 years later, they release Drew Carey season 1 on the DVD and guess what? Screwed again. And we've only got 1 season of Whose Line is it Anyway? as well.

I mean, seriously, who the hell is driving Warner's Home DVD sales department? A chimp? I've seriously got a bone to pick with who ever is in charge.

Warner Bros. Get your act together...please.

I think, stewprime, that it is the infamous "starts with F" rule that is the reason why "Night Court," "Drew Carey," and "WLIIA" each only have one season's worth released. If it doesn't start with F, Warner seems to say, it's not going to get completed, released beyond S1, or even released at all. This, I believe, is part of why "Friends" has had all 10 seasons' worth released and why it has also been released in a full series package as well.

Two notable exceptions to this are "The Waltons," which has been released from 1972-79 (7 seasons' worth), and "Dallas" (9 seasons' worth from 1978-
86; this being the way that Warner counts seasons).
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The bottom line is if S1 sells, there will be a S2 released. Friends and The West Wing sold enough to not only complete their runs, but release deluxe complete sets as well. Dallas sells well enough to get up to S9, but Knots Landing stalled at S1.

Why would they release further seasons of shows that don't sell? It's a business, pure and simple.

It's frustrating, I know. I would love to get The Mary Tyler Moore Show completed, but the last season released (S4) only sold about 75,000 units, and Fox isn't interested in those kind of numbers. But that's business.
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Warner Brothers doesn't joke around. If it doesn't sell as may units as they would like, they will drop that title forever. I don't know of anything Warner has abandoned, and returned for another release. Once they stop a title, they never seem to look back. They are ruthless. Punch you in the gut, and ask if your OK ruthless.

                          

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I don't know of anything Warner has abandoned, and returned for another release.

Well that seemed to be the case with Mary Tyler Moore at first, which had season 1 come out in 2002, and then nothing for almost 3 years until season 2 finally came out in 2005. There seemed to be hope for awhile after that with seasons 3 and 4 being released in 2006, but alas it looks like it's been abandoned again.

I'm somewhat amazed and thankful Dallas has made it this far with 9 seasons. I guess that's a testament to its continued popularity. Surely they won't stop when they are this far into it. Only 5 seasons left to go.
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Well that seemed to be the case with Mary Tyler Moore at first, which had season 1 come out in 2002, and then nothing for almost 3 years until season 2 finally came out in 2005. There seemed to be hope for awhile after that with seasons 3 and 4 being released in 2006, but alas it looks like it's been abandoned again.

I'm somewhat amazed and thankful Dallas has made it this far with 9 seasons. I guess that's a testament to its continued popularity. Surely they won't stop when they are this far into it. Only 5 seasons left to go.

I didn't know MTM was a Warner Brothers release. I stand corrected.

                          

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Ironically enough, my favorite Warner shows are the ones that don't sell. Don't get me wrong, I love BABYLON 5, FRIENDS, GILMORE GIRLS, NIP/TUCK, SIX FEET UNDER, SMALLVILLE and VERONICA MARS (all of which I collect), but I can't help feeling terribly sad that we may never see the rest of KNOTS LANDING (my favorite show ever, I like it much better than DALLAS which I can't help finding awfully boring), LIFE GOES ON (an underrated gem of a show) and EVERWOOD (a wonderful show with excellent writing and acting, probably the best thing that The WB ever aired) released on DVD. I was surprised by the DVD success of something like THE DUKES OF HAZZARD, which I in no way begrudge, but am wondering if by any chance, the sales expectations were set at a lower level for that show.

Is there a complete list of WARNER's abandoned shows available online? I know that people often mention MURPHY BROWN or NIGHT COURT, but besides these titles and the ones mentioned previously, I'd like to have just a rough idea of how frequent this practice is.

Oh, another odd thing I thought I'd mention in passing: some shows get quicker releases in Europe than in the US. For instance, ER season 12 is already scheduled for a fall release and Season 4 of WITHOUT A TRACE was released last month. Just wondering: is it possible that these titles are more popular over here than in the country where they first aired?

However, other titles are not very popular on DVD around here. For instance, there are currently no plans to release DALLAS beyond Season 7 in France, due to poor sales (despite the fact that the show is constantly in reruns over here).

Bring these sets on!

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I didn't know MTM was a Warner Brothers release. I stand corrected.

It's not, but I was just using it as an example of another series that seemed to stall for quite a while after the first season came out and then picked up again after 3 years with seasons 2, 3, and 4.
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It's not, but I was just using it as an example of another series that seemed to stall for quite a while after the first season came out and then picked up again after 3 years with seasons 2, 3, and 4.
My fault. I took your first paragraph the wrong way. I guess time will tell on WB's abandoned titles.

                          

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The bottom line is if S1 sells, there will be a S2 released. Friends and The West Wing sold enough to not only complete their runs, but release deluxe complete sets as well. Dallas sells well enough to get up to S9, but Knots Landing stalled at S1.

Why would they release further seasons of shows that don't sell? It's a business, pure and simple.

It's frustrating, I know. I would love to get The Mary Tyler Moore Show completed, but the last season released (S4) only sold about 75,000 units, and Fox isn't interested in those kind of numbers. But that's business.

Yeah, yeah, yeah -- "That's business". But what about good or even classic shows that ought to be preserved?

I'm sick and tired of "newer" shows like FRIENDS getting all the attention. OF COURSE a show like that is going to sell very well on DVD, because it's a recent show that younger people love. But really great older shows like MARY TYLER MOORE should suffer just because they premiered in 1970 instead of in 2006??? That's what really irks me.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah -- "That's business". But what about good or even classic shows that ought to be preserved?

I'm sick and tired of "newer" shows like FRIENDS getting all the attention. OF COURSE a show like that is going to sell very well on DVD, because it's a recent show that younger people love. But really great older shows like MARY TYLER MOORE should suffer just because they premiered in 1970 instead of in 2006??? That's what really irks me.

No doubt. I can understand the appeal of "Friends" to younger people, perhaps as somewhat of a, shall we say, "chick series," which daters might see with their dates, but it was, however, not my cup of tea. That is not to say that the younger people couldn't enjoy it if they wanted to. The main turnoff, however, to me, was its opening theme-- "I'll Be There For You" by The Rembrandts does not hold the same appeal to me as does "Love Is All Around" by Sonny Curtis or "Angela" by Bob James; heck, even the opening theme of "Trapper John, M.D." by John Parker is something that I, for one, could enjoy over and over. Of course, not everyone thinks the same way.
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Growing pains seems dropped too. I do not think these series were pushed well, I could hardly find Growing Pains, Night Court or Murphy Brown but stores were flooded with Fresh Prince and Full House.
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It seems it has been awhile since the last HTF WB Chat. I have had several folks tell me they may not be doing any in the future, because of all the questions they have to answer about stalled or abandoned shows. I hope that is not the case because i really enjoyed those chats. You at times would get a little ray of hope on a title you were waiting for and they were fun to participate in. Here is to hoping a session will pop up in the near future!
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Well, if that's the reason they don't do those chats anymore, shame on them. We have a right to ask about our favorite shows, not theirs, whether they like it or not. Would they rather have people calling them all the time?

I also remember being appalled last year when someone asked about the next DALLAS release and they replied by saying THE OC's latest season was coming up. Talk about responding besides the point. These chats are useless anyway, since they never seem to take the consumers' opinions into account. Sometimes I think they would deserve a good boycott, but the truth of the matter is they release too much stuff that I want for me to turn my back completely on them. I just like to complain once in a while.

Bring these sets on!

Everwood : Seasons 3-4 - Knots Landing : Seasons 3-14 - The Nanny : Seasons 4-6 - Party of Five : Seasons 4-6 - Picket Fences : Seasons 2-4

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I have had several folks tell me they may not be doing any in the future, because of all the questions they have to answer about stalled or abandoned shows.
I've never seen any reason for WB seems to have stopped HTF chats and unless you heard that from someone who works at WB, they're just guessing.
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Warner Brothers doesn't joke around. If it doesn't sell as may units as they would like, they will drop that title forever. I don't know of anything Warner has abandoned, and returned for another release. Once they stop a title, they never seem to look back. They are ruthless. Punch you in the gut, and ask if your OK ruthless.

The first season of "Without a Trace" was released in 2004, which resulted in poor sales. The studio gave it another chance and released the second season in 2007. (I should also add that Warner didn't take any short cuts - they went and cleared all the music which was expensive, and even included deleted scenes). I haven't seen any news on a third season from TVShowsOnDVD, so this must have got the same "poor sales" as the first season, or did worse.

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seems that Warners got a major juice a few years back when they slashed their prices at Walmart and other retailers to $18 a set and then they had the rebate so that people could get a boxset for under $10. This me into buying quite a few sets.

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Right, and that's an example of a NEW show that was dropped for the same reason the older shows are dropped; poor sales.

Warner Bros doesn't completely drop a show with the intention of burying it, they just have such an extensive catalog that they can more onto something else they think will sell better. I talk to Warner Bros all the time, and they're constantly looking at all their properties to see if some of them have become viable. That doesn't mean more will be released, but they haven't completely dropped a title forever.

We have to remember that the studios are out to make money for their shareholders, they aren't here to preserve memories, or "art." Sometimes everything comes together and they're able to satisfy everyone. Yes, it completely sucks when a show is put on hold, but the studios are just as upset that they put all this time and effort into releasing a set that not enough people bought.

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We have to remember that the studios are out to make money for their shareholders, they aren't here to preserve memories, or "art." Sometimes everything comes together and they're able to satisfy everyone. Yes, it completely sucks when a show is put on hold, but the studios are just as upset that they put all this time and effort into releasing a set that not enough people bought.

That's it. It's something that I know, for me, as an HTF'er & TV/DVD collector, I have to remind myself of this. Bottom line is if the #'s are there. the releases will come.

I often wonder what impact we (HTF'ers) might have if we represented a larger # of the TV/DVD buying public. We've talked about this before here but what's our sales # percentage? 1-3%? Maybe that's on the low side. When I see pre-80's series that has stalled after 1 or 2 seasons released, I wonder, as a Baby Boomer myself, "Where are the 'Boomers out there?" We sure have the #'s as far as population in the states, but they aren't buying these older shows in large #'s for whatever reasons. I have no facts on why, but I have a feeling that there are a couple of reasons:

1) They are satisfied with their current programming at home via Satt/Cable.
2) Their DVD $'s go to movie DVD sales.
3) The perception of TV/DVD seems to be very different vs movie DVD releases. I've heard this feedback from co-workers and friends. It's just my theory, but there's a perception regarding TV/DVD sets, that "Ive seen that show on TV. Why would I buy the DVD set?" Or, "TV Shows were broadcast over the air for free for many years. I don't want to buy something that I've watched for free."
4) This one might be a bigger factor than I listed it here. Lack of communication about TV/DVD releases. I've often heard from people (after the releases of Get Smart, or UNCLE, as examples) "That's on DVD? Your're kidding!"

We here that hit TSoD & HTF daily are a small minority out there. I wish it were otherwise.

The toughest part of this hobby for me is the "not knowing" factor. What are the sales #'s for "Show X S1"? What is the break-even # for unit sales? What legal/rights issues are on the table for a show & what is the present status of said issues? Is "Show Y S2" on the slate for a Q1 '09 release? etc. Since that information is proprietary to the studios, we don't know statuses of a particular series that may be on our "Grail" lists.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah -- "That's business". But what about good or even classic shows that ought to be preserved?

I'm sick and tired of "newer" shows like FRIENDS getting all the attention. OF COURSE a show like that is going to sell very well on DVD, because it's a recent show that younger people love. But really great older shows like MARY TYLER MOORE should suffer just because they premiered in 1970 instead of in 2006??? That's what really irks me.

I'm sick and tired that shows like "Friends" are seen as anything other than an American tragedy. Furthermore, when I go to stores like Best Buy I see stacks and stacks of unsold seasons of Friends. And I'm "younger people."

I'm also sick of the fatalistic "it's business" excuse. Warner is lucky that they have The Dark Knight to carry them through the year. Do I need to mention Speed Racer again? The only place where the value of the dollar is worse than in Hollywood is Zimbabwe. When I was a kid, people used to be shocked that a single movie cost $50,000,000. That's chump change now.

Meanwhile 75,000 sales of The Mary Tyler Moore Show, with an MSRP of $29.99, grosses $2,250,000. How could the set have cost more than that to make? And if they lost money on this or theoretical future sets, couldn't they just write it off on their taxes?

There hasn't been one major studio that hasn't done something to make me sick to my stomach. I wasn't buying The Fugitive, but I'm certainly not going to buy it now that they rescore incidental music and credit the hacks who farted out the synth-crap they replaced it with in the style of the closing credits. Paramount's music licensor must have the easiest job in the world; he doesn't do anything!

There really is no business like show business, because this is the business of entertainment. Procter & Gamble doesn't have to be entertaining or artful, and nor does Nabisco, McDonald's, or ExxonMobil. Entertainment companies do. They really don't believe their actions don't have effects on consumers' perception of them, or willingness to buy their products.

Anyway, I would boycott Warner Bros. but all they have left that I collect that hasn't been abandoned or treaded shoddily are Dallas and The Waltons, and their treatment of these shows has been marginal at best (and why they didn't use the Dallas sets to promote its spinoff, Knots Landing, is beyond my comprehension). Once these shows are done I'll be boycotting them by default.

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I'm still wondering what the story on Fresh Prince is. There's only two seasons left, but it's been two years since the last release and no word since.
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I'm sick and tired that shows like "Friends" are seen as anything other than an American tragedy. Furthermore, when I go to stores like Best Buy I see stacks and stacks of unsold seasons of Friends. And I'm "younger people."

I'd like to know, MatthewA-- what do you mean when you say that you are sick and tired of shows like "Friends" being treated as anything other than an American tragedy? That sounds like an interesting statement.
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I'm also sick of the fatalistic "it's business" excuse. Warner is lucky that they have The Dark Knight to carry them through the year. Do I need to mention Speed Racer again? The only place where the value of the dollar is worse than in Hollywood is Zimbabwe. When I was a kid, people used to be shocked that a single movie cost $50,000,000. That's chump change now.

Meanwhile 75,000 sales of The Mary Tyler Moore Show, with an MSRP of $29.99, grosses $2,250,000. How could the set have cost more than that to make? And if they lost money on this or theoretical future sets, couldn't they just write it off on their taxes?

MatthewA, your first statement is akin to saying "I'm sick of the fatalistic 'there's gravity' excuse for why I can't fly!" Your anger is evident, your point is not. Does the failure of "Speed Racer" make releasing TV shows on DVD harder or easier? And given that a project like that has nothing to do with the people in the television home video division, what exactly is the relevance?

But then, given your "no downside" suggestion that money lost on "Mary Tyler Moore" could just be written off on taxes, wouldn't that economic theory apply a hundredfold to the colossal losses on "Speed Racer"?

Oh, and your calculations about MTM suggest that A) it sold for that price (generally, it was discounted to below $25) and B) that 20th Century Fox made the entirety of that sum, when in fact a large chunk was taken (reasonably so) by the middlemen -- the Best Buys and Amazons who actually sold the sets. And I don't know that 20th Century Fox ever claimed to have lost money on these sets, anyway, just that they instead choose to spend their limited resources on projects that are much more profitable. That brings me much personal sadness (I want my MTM!), but how could I expect them to act otherwise?

Sorry, MatthewA, but your vitriol is groundless.
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MatthewA, your first statement is akin to saying "I'm sick of the fatalistic 'there's gravity' excuse for why I can't fly!" Your anger is evident, your point is not.

At least I'm not making false analogies. Gravity is a fact. It has been a fact ever since the days of Sir Isaac Newton. It can be demonstrated by science. The sales of a TV show DVD are speculated based on the iffy information that trickles out from people whose honesty is suspect. The first season DVD set was called a "staggering failure" by a Fox employee and held up as the poster child for TV-DVD bombs. Yet we later learned that it sold 150,000 copies. A drop in the bucket compared to something like "The Simpsons," yet nothing to sniff at. Either Fox has been lying about the show's performance on DVD, or its production process was criminally inefficient. Recently David Levine, an industry insider with access to sales figures, claimed that this show did well on DVD. There is more to this issue than what we are hearing, certainly more than mere dollars and cents, and I want to know.

Perhaps I was not clear. Speed Racer cost reportedly $120,000,000 (according to the seldom-reliable IMDb). It grossed $43,000,000. That's 35% of its cost in gross alone, and net will be less. That is a failure by any means. This company should be held up as a business that knows how to manage its finances, when a movie version of a cheapjack 1960s Japanese cartoon should cost what used to be able to make 10 movies (and could, outside of California)? With that kind of dough they could release every season of every TV show they owned to DVD and have enough left over to promote it. This movie shouldn't have cost more than $60,000,000. I suggested tax write-offs because:

A. It has been done before. When they still owned United Artists, Transamerica wrote off the huge losses on "Heaven's Gate" on their taxes.
B. Costs involved in the production of a DVD of a TV show that does not meet sales expectations could never equal a movie that lost a proportionate amount of money. But with the bloated infrastructure of studios (Warner Bros. was one of those singled out for charging $5000 for 35mm telecine of one episode of a TV series, but even for a 26-episode season that would be only $130,000) I can see why a "sure thing" can backfire.

And if Fox is not, in fact, losing money on MTM (considering that they released only a number of units sold, not how much it made in terms of what return the studio saw on its investment, or how big they), why don't they continue? They're willing to give up profit (if indeed there was any) because it's not big enough? Talk about penny wise and pound foolish. How limited are their resources? The problems may also be internal. In-house transfer and mastering costs may be bloated, but having outside materials handle these may be a solution.

Quite frankly, I don't care one way or another if these studios go bankrupt as long as I get what I want. Frankly, if all the studios collapsed I would feel nothing but schadenfreude. For their arrogance and inability to sell proven successes on DVD, they deserve to fail. And fail spectacularly. But consumers and fans suffer the most.

My vitriol is well-grounded and justified and will continue until someone releases the rest of The Mary Tyler Moore Show on DVD. It boggles the mind how many people can make excuses for these people, and shout down any suggestions that might make it better.

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I'd like to know, MatthewA-- what do you mean when you say that you are sick and tired of shows like "Friends" being treated as anything other than an American tragedy? That sounds like an interesting statement.

It's merely a creative way to say I hate this show, everything involved with it, everyone involved with it, and its continued popularity, not to mention how its DVDs outsold better TV shows (like every other show in history) makes me physically ill. This is not far from hyperbole. The show was an unfunny, vapid debacle that made stars out of no-talent hack actors. Its influence on sitcoms has been catastrophic. I've seen some clunkers in my day, but if I ever see a bigger bomb than this it's off to the fallout shelter for me.

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My vitriol is well-grounded and justified and will continue until someone releases the rest of The Mary Tyler Moore Show on DVD. It boggles the mind how many people can make excuses for these people, and shout down any suggestions that might make it better.


Fox wants what everyone else does: young customers. The same young customers (with money to spend, of course) who are now buying "Bones", "Buffy", and "Angel" on DVD.

Suffice to say, they're not into Mary Tyler Moore.



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I'd like to know, MatthewA-- what do you mean when you say that you are sick and tired of shows like "Friends" being treated as anything other than an American tragedy? That sounds like an interesting statement.
It's merely a creative way to say I hate this show, everything involved with it, everyone involved with it, and its continued popularity, not to mention how its DVDs outsold better TV shows (like every other show in history) makes me physically ill. This is not far from hyperbole. The show was an unfunny, vapid debacle that made stars out of no-talent hack actors. Its influence on sitcoms has been catastrophic. I've seen some clunkers in my day, but if I ever see a bigger bomb than this it's off to the fallout shelter for me.


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Fox wants what everyone else does: young customers. The same young customers (with money to spend, of course) who are now buying "Bones", "Buffy", and "Angel" on DVD.

Suffice to say, they're not into Mary Tyler Moore.

The false god of demographics (a whole statistical science based on stereotypes) rears its ugly head. Money is money, and to my mind it shouldn't matter who gives it to you as long as no laws are broken.

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It's merely a creative way to say I hate this show, everything involved with it, everyone involved with it, and its continued popularity, not to mention how its DVDs outsold better TV shows (like every other show in history) makes me physically ill. This is not far from hyperbole. The show was an unfunny, vapid debacle that made stars out of no-talent hack actors. Its influence on sitcoms has been catastrophic. I've seen some clunkers in my day, but if I ever see a bigger bomb than this it's off to the fallout shelter for me.

Now I completely understand. My first name is also Matthew, but I am generally called Ben. I myself certainly agree with you that "Friends" was unfunny and vapid; this is one reason why I have much older comedies on DVD, such as at least one season's worth each of "Mary Tyler Moore" and "Taxi" (two of "MTM" from 1970-72, and one of "Taxi," 1978-79), and why I've been renting the first season's worth of "What's Happening!!" from 1976-77. All three of those earlier comedies that I mentioned have generally (to me) been funnier than "Friends." And besides, I cannot say it enough--"Friends" had one of the absolute worst opening themes in television history, at least to me. Sorry, but "I'll Be There For You" by the Rembrandts does not have the same appeal to me as "Love Is All Around" by Sonny Curtis, "Angela" by Bob James, or the theme of "What's Happening!!" by Henry Mancini. All that said, the "American tragedy" that was "Friends" (at least, how you say it) is one series that I have not purchased any of the DVD releases of, and which I have sworn never to purchase any of.

But, then again, to each his/her own. All that said, I appreciate your response.
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They (WB) assume anybody watching shows in the 1970s is either dead or poor.
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Originally Posted by HenryDuBrow
They (WB) assume anybody watching shows in the 1970s is either dead or poor.

Why would they think that? Is it because they generally expect us to like the series of the '90's to today, and not those of before that?
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