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Re: Batman Begins Part III

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How can the next film not be called...."The Dark Knight Returns"?
Because the Dark Knight hasn't gone anywhere. He's not returning. The title is perfect for that story, because it's literal. And I think it should be saved for when they actually do make that film. Which is almost inevitable at this point (in what form is unknown), with Watchmen hitting next year.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III

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Because the Dark Knight hasn't gone anywhere. He's not returning. The title is perfect for that story, because it's literal. And I think it should be saved for when they actually do make that film. Which is almost inevitable at this point (in what form is unknown), with Watchmen hitting next year.

Agreed. I'd love if they adapted it in this continuity years from now, in the same way they "adapted" year one for Begins. It would obviously need change but all the major themes could still be there.

"Because he's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now... and so we'll hunt him... because he can take it... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a DARK KNIGHT."

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Re: Batman Begins Part III

Look, I hate to break it to you guys, but WB isn't going to let this end at three. They know this series is fully back to life (100%) and want to get as much money from it as possible. If that means replacing Nolan and/or Bale because they won't to do more than three, then so be it as far as WB is concerned.

Now, as for the third film, I think the "Clock King" would be a good fit for the world of Gotham City they've created in this series. He's a loner, sick of people walking over him, not respecting him, low level lawyer or bureaucrat in a corrupting environment. He feels more moral, ethical, and intelligent than the vast majority of Gotham City. In addition, Mr. Nolan has shown a great deal of interest in messing with time (i.e. Memento and even The Prestige). Johnny Depp would be perfect. As for the Joker, I'd take Jonathan Rhys-Meyers as a good replacement for Ledger.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III

Well...since they will continue

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Re: Batman Begins Part III

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Now, as for the third film, I think the "Clock King" would be a good fit for the world of Gotham City they've created in this series. He's a loner, sick of people walking over him, not respecting him, low level lawyer or bureaucrat in a corrupting environment. He feels more moral, ethical, and intelligent than the vast majority of Gotham City. In addition, Mr. Nolan has shown a great deal of interest in messing with time (i.e. Memento and even The Prestige). Johnny Depp would be perfect.
Great idea! This would contrast greatly with
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a Batman that is now even more so a loner, with people hunting him, not respecting him, etc.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III

I posted this in the TDK discussion forum so why not put it here too?

With Batman on the run from the law, it would be an excellent opportunity to have Superman come over to Gotham to have a little talk with him. Could even be a springboard to a real Justice League movie.

I know many want Batman to stay away from something like that but if DC wants to put the Justice League movie together this would generate interest. Anything is possible right now.

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Re: Batman Begins Part III

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I posted this in the TDK discussion forum so why not put it here too?

With Batman on the run from the law, it would be an excellent opportunity to have Superman come over to Gotham to have a little talk with him. Could even be a springboard to a real Justice League movie.

I know many want Batman to stay away from something like that but if DC wants to put the Justice League movie together this would generate interest. Anything is possible right now.

I don't think Nolan would go for that angle.

I'm sure the Warner suits would love that Justice League angle but the best thing the Warner suits can do right now is let Nolan do whatever he wants and stay the heck away from tampering with it.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III

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I don't think Nolan would go for that angle.

I'm sure the Warner suits would love that Justice League angle but the best thing the Warner suits can do right now is let Nolan do whatever he wants and stay the heck away from tampering with it.


True. But, if they let Nolan keep control. I would love to see his approach. We just saw how the Joker and Bats are two sides of the coin (no pun intended). We can take it even further by showing Superman. Who while both have the same goals....Are complete opposites in approach. With the law looking for Bats. Supes could come in and at first be hunting him. Then they team up to go after the true villain.

On a side note. A movie review show had an interview with Bale. I didn't see it. But, they did say in the promo for it that he does NOT want to hang up the batsuit.

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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Any love for Hugo Strange and Silver St. Cloud for BB III?

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Re: Batman Begins Part III

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Because the Dark Knight hasn't gone anywhere. He's not returning. The title is perfect for that story, because it's literal. And I think it should be saved for when they actually do make that film. Which is almost inevitable at this point (in what form is unknown), with Watchmen hitting next year.

I meant calling it.....


Hunt The Dark Knight


(ie:the title of issue 3 of TDK



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Re: Batman Begins Part III

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Another civic minded Billionaire puts a bounty on Batman capture. Bruces conflict is then with this other Billionaire as well as the bounty hunters sent after him.
That's an interesting idea. Someone that uses Batman's own tactics to target him. A number of Batman rogues could be adapted to be a bounty hunter in this universe.
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Good as in narratively good. The themes have been explored. The Joker took everyone and everything to their limits. Any story after that will be a pale shadow. Then again if a straight action story is sufficient to satisfy there's plenty of those that can be rolled off the assembly line.
I think there's plenty left to explore. I think it'd be a mistake to try to top the stakes of the current film, where literally all of Gotham was on the line. But there's plenty unresolved about Batman and his relationship with the city. He's never felt the heat coming from both directions before; not since the early days of his tenure as bats. That has a lot of room for manuveuring. The Dark Knight externalized the themes from Batman Begins while allowing the title character to grow. Now he's in a different place, and that different place opens up new themes to be explored.
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One thing about the next film - it'll be nice to have Wayne Manor and the Batcave back.
Absolutely. This was probably the best depiction of Batman ever, but I missed the usual Batman trappings. The penthouse just wasn't a worthy substitute for the gothic mansion on the hill.
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As far as villians are concerned, the Riddler could be done in a way that's very similar to Fincher's Zodiac, i.e. a serial killer on the loose with the "riddles". The obvious goal would be much bigger in terms of what it means to the citizens of Gotham. But, doing it this way would also bring in more of the detective Batman that The Dark Knight does more of. That's the only way I can see The Riddler fitting in to Nolan's universe.
My only problem with using the Riddler is that the Joker essentially performed the same function in this film, only with a sicker twist to it. I'm afraid he'd feel like a watered down rehash.
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at some point I want to see him walk the hall at Arkham Asylum and if only cameos, we need to see Crane. And possibly joker face in glass with a woman talking on other side.
I'd definitely love to see a Joker cameo. Given the spools and spools of footage they have of Ledger in the role, I'm sure they could doctor something up for a brief cameo.
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The problem with filming the whole film in IMAX is that that presents a much larger divide between the two formats' aspect ratios. I suppose they could make the regular release 1.85 to make it easier?
Or even just matte it to the IMAX aspect ratio. At least it would make the DVD/HD release easier.
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How can the next film not be called....
[Hunt the Dark Knight]
My only problem with that is it's redundant. The beauty of the Bat symbol motif is they can call it anything and have it be instantly identifiable as a Batman movie. I'd choose a pulpy, Raymond Chandler-esque title like The Long Goodbye.
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With Batman on the run from the law, it would be an excellent opportunity to have Superman come over to Gotham to have a little talk with him. Could even be a springboard to a real Justice League movie.
As much as I love Superman, he doesn't fit in the world Nolan has created. This is a world where everything has a plausible (or close enough to suspend disbelief) explanation in line with real world physics. Nolan's Gotham pushes the boundaries of reality, like Bond, but doesn't completely break with them.
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I do want more detective. They've done decently there in the first two films. But let's show how smart Batman actually is, not just in the action scenes.

MikeRS...my bad. Hunt the Dark Knight isn't bad at all. The title really doesn't matter anymore It's the film after "The Dark Knight".
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My only problem with that is it's redundant. The beauty of the Bat symbol motif is they can call it anything and have it be instantly identifiable as a Batman movie.

I agree, but there's an economic element to my suggestion.

The corporate flunkies will love to connect the next film directly to it's 400+ million grossing predecessor.

And it's still a cool title.

And completely relevant to the storyline being telegraphed for the next film.
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Oh...and three years is a must. Give Nolan all of that pre-pre-production he loves so much. This script is going to be a major challenge, since they are building upon a film with the Joker to a film without. It'll need some very solid lifting. Perhaps Batman takes his vigilantism a bit too far, getting comfortable in his role as outlaw. I'd like to see real friction between Gordon and Batman. Anyways, the point is that Nolan should be fundamentally left alone, and should be given the time he needs at the script stage. The script is why TDK was so impressive.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III

Nolan already said that Rha's Al Ghul wouldn't return, because the Lazarus Pit would be too supernatural to fit in the movie. The Penguin was also out of question, since he was a too far-fetched character. I do like the Riddler as a Zodiac type serial killer, that could work out.
I always liked Catwoman. Yes, she has also been in Batman Returns, but a different take on it could work. She wouldn't be that far-fetched. They could even make the love angle work.
The only problems I have with using the Riddler and Catwoman is that they have already been used in the previous films, and along with the Joker and Two-Face, wouldn't be all that different. I want to see a villain that hasn't been used yet. Harley Quinn? I'd love to see her in a Batfilm. Then you'd have a small cameo from the Joker, and she would be picking it up from there.

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Re: Batman Begins Part III

How about "The Rouge Knight" for a title?

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Re: Batman Begins Part III

well if he is an outlaw, and you still want more dective work, how about
"Shadows of the Bat"
like the clock king idea, but this way would have to involve a lot of Bruce doing Undercover work , before suiting up, would give it an undercover cop feel to it, also keep the push on Mob crime, we have seen falcone, and maroni but we need to see the gang war of Maroni and Thorne, wich leave Two Face going after both sides and Batman trying to stop all three.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III

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...The title really doesn't matter anymore It's the film after "The Dark Knight".

Know what? That's pretty much dead on. Don't name the thing at all, just flash us the Batsignal and give us a date.

"Because he's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now... and so we'll hunt him... because he can take it... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a DARK KNIGHT."

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Re: Batman Begins Part III

Catwoman could fit nicely into a third movie as the type of vigilante that Batman is now accused of being. They can also fit her real identity as a replacement for the Rachael character so she interacts in different ways with both Bruce and Batman. Yeah the character was in Returns already, but I'm picturing a less cheesy version with no actual purring involved.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III

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I think Rhas Al Ghul will be brought back to bring the story full circle, as I suspect Nolan will want to end the trilogy.

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I also would like him back (Liam Neeson is excellent and I miss him) with Two-Face and possibler the Riddler.
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I see a lot of talk about a return of Two-Face but forgive me if I missed something..


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Isn't he dead?


I'd love to see The Riddler or Catwoman. But what about The Mad Hatter? Never been done on the big screen yet and he could fit in as a minor villain (ala Scarecrow)
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Concerning two-face...


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I think he was unconscious at the end



As for the next villain, I think Lucious hinted at it.


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When Batman gets the new suit, Lucious says it's weaker against knives and bullets. Bruce asks, "What about dogs?" and Lucious says "Well it's great against cats" or something like that. I immediately thought of catwoman...


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I see a lot of talk about a return of Two-Face but forgive me if I missed something..


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Isn't he dead?


I'd love to see The Riddler or Catwoman. But what about The Mad Hatter? Never been done on the big screen yet and he could fit in as a minor villain (ala Scarecrow)

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But paul


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what about the funeral for Harvey Dent at the end? Are they just keeping him hidden from the public? I guess it's left a tad ambiguous but I just assumed that was the end of Two-Face's arc.
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Guys, spoilers are allowed.

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P.S., Expect 'Dark Knight spoilers ahead...

Regarding Harvey's death.....

The whole end of the film is built on the fact Batman will take the rap for the crimes of the very dead Harvey Dent. If he's not dead, the end sequence makes not a lick of sense.

Are people still doubting his death because it's a standard comic convention/cliche for characters to come back from the dead?

I don't get it.
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Harley Quinn? I'd love to see her in a Batfilm. Then you'd have a small cameo from the Joker, and she would be picking it up from there.
Exactly my thoughts. You can just imagine how insane cool that movie would be.

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Regarding Harvey's death.....

The whole end of the film is built on the fact Batman will take the rap for the crimes of the very dead Harvey Dent. If he's not dead, the end sequence makes not a lick of sense.

Are people still doubting his death because it's a standard comic convention/cliche for characters to come back from the dead?
I think some people don't want to believe that's all there is. But yeah, his arc is finished.


Regarding Catwoman; The character could work in a subplot involving industrial espionage. And if she were hired to get something from Wayne Ent., that could provide the opportunity to interact with either Bruce or Batman (or both). She could paid to pull off a heist involving tech from the applied sciences archives. Tech that she later could recognize when Batman uses it, which let's her put 2+2 together.
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I guess the challenge is how do you do the Riddler or Catwoman (or anyone else really) and not have them come off as laughable second tier villains compared to the Joker?

The Joker simply I think pushed Batman to his absolute limits, and was frightening and maddening in the process.
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I threw this out in the discussion thread but I think the third Batman by Nolan and co. should be their take on the No Man's Land series from the comics. This is the one where Gotham gets destroyed by...I can't remember, now. Earthquake? Smog? Something. It basically turns into "Escape from New York" as the rest of the country ignores this destroyed city and lets it fend for itself. The Police and Batman essentially become a couple of the many gangs vying to control the crumbing city.

At the time, I thought it was far fetched. Who would imagine a city being mostly destroyed by a natural disaster and nearly ignored....and then Katrina came along. Yeesh. If TDK is the comic book movie's answer to 9/11 (and it was...this was about terror and chaos first and foremost, in my opinion) then the next could be the answer to Katrina and New Orleans. And add Catwoman or Penguin for good measure.
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Phil, I don't know about the natural disaster, but I did think of the idea of having the city get to its absolute worse, to the point where maybe their forgiveness or acceptance of Batman comes from them simply not having anyone else to turn to. He's the only one who can save them, so they let him.

It's not the heroic validation that some would want, but I think it's a very truthful way of doing things.

"Because he's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now... and so we'll hunt him... because he can take it... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a DARK KNIGHT."

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I hope they DON'T do a catwoman or riddler..... I didn't like either of them and I don't think they should revisit it. Just my .02.

I could very well see a Harley Quinn coming on board.......////////

As far as the new bat suit.... can it protect against dogs etc..... I thought he said what kind Chihuahua or Rottweiler....


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