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Well, with two down it's that time again. IMO, the three biggest questions as of now are;
What will it be called?
Who will be the villain?
Should they recast The Joker?
P.S., Expect 'Dark Knight spoilers ahead...
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re: Batman Begins Part III
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Well, with two down it's that time again. IMO, the three biggest questions as of now are;
What will it be called?
Who will be the villain?
Should they recast The Joker?
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1) Gotham
2) Two-Face (I hope), maybe it's time for Catwoman...maybe Gordon can be a good antagonist, though
3) Nope. Too much distraction. This iteration had its Joker; sadly, all too briefly.
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re: Batman Begins Part III
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Who will be the villain?
Should they recast The Joker?
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I was wondering today how Nolan would portray the Penguin for some reason. Hmmmm
I highly doubt we'll see the Joker again since everyone is talking about how good Ledger is in the role. Oscar nods supposedly. I can't think of many actors who'd want to step into those shoes.
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re: Batman Begins Part III
I don't like the title "Gotham," but I think we're of the same mind. I think the title should reflect the change in Batman's situation at the end of 'Dark Knight.
I fully believe they should recast Joker, especially after Ledger's speech about how he and Batman are destined to fight each other forever. I loved Ledger in the role and don't dispute his performance, but the character is bigger than him and he's not the only one who can do it. It's not necessary for someone to come in a do a carbon copy either, they can play the role and still make it their own, Joker could easily "evolve" after the events of DK.
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re: Batman Begins Part III
As I said in the Dark Knight thread, I really hope a 3rd film gets made by Nolan. They have a great set-up for it now with Batman "on the run", Gordon "hunting" him while actually protecting him, Two-Face waiting in the wings with the truth, and a city that need to mature to recognize that Batman is not only the hero they need, but the one they want, and for the right reasons.
I highly doubt Nolan will go the supernatural route and bring back Rhas Al Ghul. It just wouldn't fit with the other films at all.
I don't think the Joker will be back, either. It works with him out of the picture. It'd almost be too draining to have all that chaos again from that character. Besides, no Ledger.
Two-Face will be back. Of that I have no doubt.
Other villain possibilities:
Penguin. A Nolan take on this villain would be a sophisticated jewel thief, maybe a man who backs Two-Face financially. I don't think he'd make a good main villain.
Catwoman. Nolan could build off the theme of copycat Batmen, only with an actual copycat.
Firefly. Essentially an arsonist.
Riddler. Would have to play up his willingness to play cat and mouse with the police in a way that was not anarchy like we just saw with the Joker. Honestly, after TDK I don't know if this would be different enough and would likely suffer with too many comparisons.
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re: Batman Begins Part III
I think the Joker is done. His last lines said it all. We'll just keep on doing this. Going round and round. Something to that effect.
The only way a new story between the Joker and Batman would work is if Nolan were to break new ground. ie if the Batman can find a lever of some sort against the Joker. Based on TDK it does not seem like such a thing exists.
The third movie is in tough. How do you carry on or top what happened in TDK? They could stop here because it is a good ending point.
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re: Batman Begins Part III
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The third movie is in tough. How do you carry on or top what happened in TDK? They could stop here because it is a good ending point.
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Good because the movie was just good? Because I think that's a horrible reason not to want to do another one.
Or do you mean narratively good? Because I thought they left the story wide open with Gordon "turning" on Batman.
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Good as in narratively good. The themes have been explored. The Joker took everyone and everything to their limits. Any story after that will be a pale shadow. Then again if a straight action story is sufficient to satisfy there's plenty of those that can be rolled off the assembly line.
Gordon won't turn on Batman. He will publicly but the two of them will go back to their earlier relationship ie one on one with no one else involved or knowing.
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One thing about the next film - it'll be nice to have Wayne Manor and the Batcave back.
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re: Batman Begins Part III
Title...The Dark Knight Returns.
No Joker recasting. The obvious thematic back bone of this third film, considering how The Dark Knight ended, is going to be redemption and acceptance for Bruce and the people of Gotham...with Gordon caught in the middle, considering he's now hunting the Batman.
As far as villians are concerned, the Riddler could be done in a way that's very similar to Fincher's Zodiac, i.e. a serial killer on the loose with the "riddles". The obvious goal would be much bigger in terms of what it means to the citizens of Gotham. But, doing it this way would also bring in more of the detective Batman that The Dark Knight does more of. That's the only way I can see The Riddler fitting in to Nolan's universe.
The other villian would be Black Mask..a much more potent mob boss and considering his origin, it ties nicely to the character arc we've seen in Nolan's two films for Bruce Wayne.
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re: Batman Begins Part III
Film the whole thing in IMAX
first of all love the direction this has taken as for titles, different variations on a theme but the Nolanverse works so well, and I know that he has stated that he would like to work with some of the lesser characters from the series. That is a really easy point to follow if he can keep WB and DC interested in continuing the viral campaign from now right up to the next release , an occasional Gotham Times , and occasional Gotham Tonight, update episode , treat it like it is real, as that way without showing some of the secondary characters in the movie, you can still bring them into the story line. Bring back the mansion and cave, and I know thai is going to be something not seen in any of the series yet, at some point I want to see him walk the hall at Arkham Asylum and if only cameos, we need to see Crane. And possibly joker face in glass with a woman talking on other side.
The fact that Nolan gave us the dective story and war on the mob makes this a better run, and hopefully will go for more than 3 pictures, personally being greedy I would like six, and the last two could be the frank miller dark knight.
1) well every bb on the net says shadow of the bat
2)Two Face
Rupert Thorne
Sal Maroni
Penguin (Cobblepot- Mob Gun Dealer w/ Croc as an enforcer)
Mike Engel (antagonist)
Bullock (antagonist) leave Gordon out of going after batman
3) Joker (Ledger Footage if any exist that Nolan shot)
( If not only suitable replacement would be Depp)
Posing a question to the others on this board how do you see the Riddler portrayed, because of the differences in the various comics, personally I always pictured the sadistic runt. No offence to David Tennant.
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hey les,
got a question for you, are you a fan of just the movies , or a comic fan as well, you keep mentionon the Burton films.
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When I was trying to title the thread I originally wrote "Christopher Nolan's Batman III," but because he's not officially attached I decided I didn't want to jinx it. So this is why I accidentally wrote "Begin's" as a possessive when changing it.
So if one of our lovely mods could just make that apostrophe magically disappear, that would be great.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III
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Film the whole thing in IMAX
1) well every bb on the net says shadow of the bat
2)Two Face
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I think the IMAX thing will be a done deal. I can see him catching a break from IMAX on the costs. They are going to make a mint on TDK. Shadow of the Bat is too comic book nerdy. I don't like my suggestion, but Gotham is very much a player. So we'll see what they do (it won't be Gotham, I know). Nor would I want it to be.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III
The problem with filming the whole film in IMAX is that that presents a much larger divide between the two formats' aspect ratios. I suppose they could make the regular release 1.85 to make it easier?
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Since I have not seen the IMAX version yet, I'll say that the film looked fantastic from start to finish while at the same time it was easy to see what scenes were shot in that format, because of how much scope they had.
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Indeed, my state doesn't have a single IMAX theater showing it, so I won't be seeing TDK in IMAX. In fact doing a quick search I see it opened on a whopping 94 IMAX screens. That's a record BTW.
94 IMAX screens vs. 9200 regular ones. I appreciate Nolan's thirst for large format but reading that now I'm upset he would compromise the film for so much of the audience. And I'd be far more upset if that was done for an entire film.
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I didn't pick up on this during the movie (I'm not good with names), but I think it was done on purpose. Bruce Wayne's somewhat disgruntled employee who went to the press with his secret identity was named Mr. Reese.
Mr. Reese = Mysteries. THE RIDDLER!
I don't think it was done for anything more than fans to speculate over, but I think it's cool none the less.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III
just for the level of detail alone, film it in IMAX, then convert it to standard, sort of like the Cinerama experience or seeing epics like lawrence of arabia in 70mm
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Re: Batman Begins Part III
How about a World's Finest with him teaming with Supes? I would love to see Nolan take a crack at it.
Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.
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Re: Batman Begins Part III
I think the best solution is to introduce Harlee Quinn. You have the continuation of the Joker and the female element all in one. Also, put Poison Ivy in the film for the double threat. Based on the animated series she dated Two-Face. He can be the man behind the action in the third film. Or, did they just set him up for nothing? If your going to have Robin then the name of the film should be Batman: Legacy. Just my thoughts.
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How about two villians, one male and one female. My idea for the female villian would be Catwoman with Angelina Jolie. With
Warning Spoiler! Click to showRachel Dawes dead, the sexual tension between Catwoman and Batman could be something to explore by the Nolans.
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