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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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Should we all start worrying now about The Dark Knight?
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I doubt it. TDK is a monster hit vs Speed Racer as a monster failure. Gauranteed, TDK is going to get the deluxe treatment from Warner.
SR is getting the short end because Warner doesn't want to send good money after bad. Even if that money only amounts to a few cents per disc.
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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Originally Posted by TheBat
you would think they would do a special edition for speed racer.. didn't they do a special edition for wild wild west.. and that movie was terrible.. I never saw speedracer.. I know that it has its fans.
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Yeah, that's the ticket!
Remember the three disc "Windtalker" on SD DVD?!?!?!
That's how you treat a "dog".
Put it in a tin case; like those terrible PD DVD's.
This is CRAZY!!!
Modern movie: OLD soundtrack
Catalog title: MODERN soundtrack
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What is the cost difference between a lossy & lossless soundtrack?
Or, are we ONLY talking space?
Then its what's the cost difference between BD25 & BD50?
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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Originally Posted by Ed St. Clair
Yeah, that's the ticket!
Remember the three disc "Windtalker" on SD DVD?!?!?!
That's how you treat a "dog".
Put it in a tin case; like those terrible PD DVD's.
This is CRAZY!!!
Modern movie: OLD soundtrack
Catalog title: MODERN soundtrack
EDitEDbyED:
What is the cost difference between a lossy & lossless soundtrack?
Or, are we ONLY talking space?
Then its what's the cost difference between BD25 & BD50?
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Ed's nailed it again with another solid point. I recently bought both "Lost Boys" films on Blu-ray. "Lost Boys" has Dolby TrueHD and all the special features from the previous 2 disc sd dvd, while "Lost Boys 2: the Tribe" has lossy 5.1 standard and it's own special features. the only difference is LB2 has one of those BS digital copies. You can keep your digital copy crap and continue to give me lossless audio instead. So, why are older catalog titles getting better audio treatment than current releases? Regardless, SpeedRacer should have lossless audio. There's no excuse for this bullshit. With some current Blu-rays picture presentation only reaching scores of 3 to 3.5 and not getting lossless audio to boot I may just start buying the sd dvd releases on certain titles. And that sucks because I love Blu-ray and want to support it. Get it together Warner.
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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Well, since it was basically Warner that turned events towards a single-format HD solution, I doubt that they're sore on the point, though the studio's inconsistency on this release could be a sign of some unexpected internal studio politics.
I hope everyone realises that there IS NO EXCUSE for not including lossless even on this BD25. NONE. If there wasn't enough bandwidth Warner could have scrapped one or two alternate language tracks and done TrueHD for the original language. And it doesn't "cost more" to provide lossless: if royalties were the issue, they could have gone PCM.
Just wait... when the disc streets it will probably have a lower average video-bit rate than Sony's MPEG2 PCM BD25 titles that had lossless audio!
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So they didn't do this to save money, they did this for some unknown absurd reason, they're not greedy...they're just crazy.
I don't know about any of you but I feel better about this whole thing (he says throwing his hands up in the air from frustration).


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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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With some current Blu-rays picture presentation only reaching scores of 3 to 3.5 and not getting lossless audio to boot I may just start buying the sd dvd releases on certain titles. And that sucks because I love Blu-ray and want to support it.
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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...they're just crazy.
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Like yr sig!
(see ^^^ for my "crazy" comment!)
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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Like yr sig!
(see ^^^ for my "crazy" comment!)
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Thanks.

And I wholeheartedly agree with your post. I don't know which is worse, them doing this for absolutely no concievable reason or to save money.
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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my title of that thread was even changed without me asking for it.
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Who's "rolling" now?!?!?!
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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Extremely doubtful, only a handful of HD-DVDs had lossless tracks, most all had DD+ only.
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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No reason to complain, it will still be better than the DVD. 
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Yes but it will not be referance, which it easily should have been.
My silver lining is that
Cars will continue to reign supreme as my #1 choice to show BD off to people.
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
While WB should be given much credit for there HD video transfers as they have put out alot of great looking titles. WB has also dropped the ball on many titles by not including lossless audio. People buy Blu-ray for the best possible picture and the best possible sound. So why is WB giving us horrible lossy Dolby Digital? This is not just a matter of Speed Racer tanking at the box office IMHO, WB has stuck way to many titles with Dolby Digital. And as long as the movie is new enough to have a 5.1 track I will continue to not buy titles that do not include lossless audio!
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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While WB should be given much credit for there HD video transfers as they have put out alot of great looking titles. WB has also dropped the ball on many titles by not including lossless audio. People buy Blu-ray for the best possible picture and the best possible sound. So why is WB giving us horrible lossy Dolby Digital? This is not just a matter of Speed Racer tanking at the box office IMHO, WB has stuck way to many titles with Dolby Digital. And as long as the movie is new enough to have a 5.1 track I will continue to not buy titles that do not include lossless audio!
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"Horrible"? Really? Is it really "horrible"?
As I noted in the 'are there too many complaints' thread, this is the kind of hyperbole that is irritating. Is it less than the ideal (given what is possible)? Certainly. Is it disappointing? Of course. Do people have the right to complain and withhold their money? Sure. But do we really need such exaggeration?
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As I noted in the 'are there too many complaints' thread, this is the kind of hyperbole that is irritating. Is it less than the ideal (given what is possible)? Certainly. Is it disappointing? Of course. Do people have the right to complain and withhold their money? Sure. But do we really need such exaggeration? |
I honestly do not see anything all that great about Dolby Digital. I have not liked it in the theater, laser discs, sd-dvd and I still do not want it especially on HD media. Another thing I think that it is poor marketing to advertise Blu-ray as cutting edge and how much storage it has and to put old school Dolby Digital makes no sense to me at all. I supported DTS because I felt that it was more natural sounding and was more transparent vs Dolby Digital. DD lacks trasparency and has a muddy sound to it IMHO. The thing I really do not like is that we have a 1080p format and we are ending up with Dolby Digital tracks, whats that all about? And while I still enjoy lossy DTS I do not want to see that used as a stand alone format on HD ether. I have found Dolby Digital to be highly disapointing and will not spend my hard earned money for HD software with DD audio.
I buy Blu-ray for a prestine 1080p picture and the best audio available which to me means, DTS-HD MA, Dolby True HD or LPCM. Obviously people are free to buy what they want and not everything sounds the same to everyone else. Some like Dolby Digital and for them if a HD title has DD, they will buy it no matter what. But for those who do not want DD it doesn't make any sense to buy the disc with DD only to replace it with another version a few years later. I own both HD-DVD and Blu-ray and one of the reasons I stopped buying HD-DVD was Dolby Digital Plus. Not a big fan of that format ether! Yes it does offer better sound over DD but not enough in my book. So instead of buying even more DD+ titles that I would end up replacing anyway I stopped buying HD-DVD. HD to me is about owning the best presentation on the market today and using lossy sound IMHO is not how you go about it. If I was going to buy a title that sound did not matter then I would most likely end up buying it on SD-DVD as well to pick it up really cheap. And that point I really would not care if it was in DD or DTS unless it is a title that warrents DTS and is something that is not going to see HD for many years.
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
Dave Moritz made an excellent point above. Isn't the whole point to Blu-ray simply to offer high definition picture=1080p and High definition audio=DDTrueHD, DTS-HD or Master or at least uncompressed PCM? It takes pretty big balls to release Hi-Def Blu-rays in this kind of half-assed fashion is all I'm sayin'. Premium products should equal premium quality or lower the damn price of these BD's. I invested in Blu-ray for it's ability to excell above and beyond sd dvd. Not to be as good in the audio department. If we settle for this BS it'll never stop.
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Re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
By dropping the lossless track we are getting a half-assed product, and I don't buy those. There's plenty of space on a BD-25 for 1080p and lossless.
Thanks Dave for that info, I will make a call.
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