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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
Damn Straight! Not only will I call, I'll share this # with friends as well. DTS-HD Master or TrueHD should be a given with this release. This is making me wonder about some of Warners recent releases. I can't think of any reason why they would do this other than cost. Well, if they don't want to give me hi-res audio then knock $10 off the price of the damn Blu-ray. Yeah...Riiiigggghhhhtttt.
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
I don't know how Warner is deciding which titles get lossless audio and which do not. I don't understand why "Speed Racer" gets released without such a track, yet they release Eraser, Outbreak, Every Which Way But Loose and The Gauntlet with a lossless track.
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
I suppose it's SOMEWHAT okay if there is no lossless on older films, but to have a film from the 1970's (Gauntlet) have a TrueHD track AND NOT a 2008 film Speed Racer just screams insanity!
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
Wait, so LA Confidential, a very long film, is on a BD25 and no lossless audio?
This is pathetic. It's BS and I'm not going to pay for it. Sorry, Warner. No.
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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I shot an e-mail to Bill Hunt about this (knowing he was also a big Speed Racer fan), and his answers for what he is hearing is the reasoning for the LA Confidential, Blow, and Speed Racer releases being the way they are is something I somewhat suspected, and made my anger level at Warner drop significantly. He said he would probably comment on it on The Bits tomorrow.
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That sounds very interesting, but as DaViD pointed out, Sony was using PCM on BD25 releases, and with VC-1 or AVC that are both more efficient than MPEG-2 and improved encoders for those codecs, there's even less reason for this to be an issue.
At this point, I'd have to say that the only thing that would make sense for this is that Dolby and DTS have decided to end all business relationships with Warner.
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
This is a bit heartbreaking for me. Some of you might remember my search for a new receiver this past May/June. The match that lit the spark under my ass to do that was Speed Racer. It has a GREAT score, and great sound design, and I wanted to make sure I heard that in lossless sound. So I finally got a new receiver to be ready (and not just for SR, but for all of the forthcoming BDs). And they go and screw SR right in the keister for not doing well at the BO (I assume).
It makes me really angry. I rarely contact companies, but probably will do so over this. And LAC is more sand in the face. That is one of WB's crown jewels. What are they doing???
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
I was going to buy this, not now. No lossless = no sale!
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Well, that was the point of my post: that it
doesn't make any sense except in the most ludicrous situations. "Every Which Way But Loose" getting TrueHD is odd, but the fact that a day-and-date title that pretty much depends on high-quality video and audio is getting the shaft is mind-boggling. Compound that with the lossy audio on several other upcoming titles, and something weird is going on.
Look, I could see if they're expecting "The Dark Knight" to take up every single BD50 they want to pay for. That explains the BD25. But not only is "Speed Racer" a
3-disc set(!) (why not just unload the extras to another BD? Or hell, even DVD, since Warner only does SD extras), but when Universal is fitting "Leatherheads" (less than 20m shorter) onto a BD25 with lossless audio and extras, then I have to call them out.
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
The reason for this title not getting lossless is clear in my book: Warner wants to forget it as soon as possible.
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
Even if they had no business relations at all with Dolby or DTS, that still wouldn't prevent them from putting lossless PCM on there.
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The reason for this title not getting lossless is clear in my book: Warner wants to forget it as soon as possible.
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Doesn't make any more sense, even if this is true UNLESS lossless costs more--and I can't see how it would (though I'm open to be educated on this). Why piss off the people who are actually LIKELY to buy this?
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
Given this movie didn't do that well Warner may want to spend as little as possible on it's release to Blu-ray. Then again, one wonders why a 3 disc release if that's the case? Hopefully, this is just an error like the BLOW and L.A. Confidential Blu-rays which are reported now to have DD TrueHD and are on BD50. One can only hope.
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Hopefully, this is just an error like the BLOW and L.A. Confidential Blu-rays which are reported now to have DD TrueHD and are on BD50. One can only hope.
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Could you link to this? If this is the case, then that's fantastic news, and we can all put down the pitchforks.
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re: Bits now confirms - Warner drops lossless audio for Speed Racer BD
I see you've already found the information.
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Well, so much for my confusion about Warner's intentions regarding lossless audio tracks for which titles.
I hope Speed Racer is in error too that way we can close this thread.
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Warner... what is your problem? Honestly... even Sony managed to put inefficient PCM on their BD25 releases. Can't you even manage TrueHD? With all those other discs in the set... plenty of room for bonus material elsewhere, if the BD25 was the limiting factor.
I just don't get it. Why release it on Blu-ray at all if only with Dolby Digital lossy sound? Just wait a while until BD50 replication is more readily available. I was going to purchase this disc sight unseen even without having seen the film. Now, it's a no-sale. |
I have to agree what the hell is WB problem? IMHO there is no excuse for most titles not to have lossless audio on Blu-ray. I also beleive that the use of DNR is something that should be discontinued as well.
There are a number of Blu-ray titles that only use the old out dated lossy Dolby Digital. Now at the begining I figured that they where just trying to rush titles out to get the ball rolling. But is it me or is there no excuse for not offering lossless?
I will not be spending money on this title as well as there are plenty of other titles that offer lossless audio.
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I hope that it is an error as well because I hate to think that WB is actually going to release this title with lossy Dolby Digital.
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