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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
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| And, yes, Olivia clearly moves between universes in a much more 'organic' way. I think this shows the difference between Bell's philosophies and the other contingent. Jones and others attempt to bend the rules using technology. Bell and Walter seem to have attempted to alter people in order that they may cross over 'organically'. |
That is an interesting thought. Reminds me of some of Bruce Sterling's fiction in which he posits two groups vying for the control of the fate of mankind. The Shapers who use genetic manipulation to augment human capabilities vs. the Mechanists who rely upon cybernetics.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
I don't typically guess where shows are going, though sometimes if I'm engaged enough, I can't help but project. But usually not. So I'm fairly certain that we've been giving at least some indication that there was something strange or different about Peter. I felt zero surprise over learning that Peter died and this Peter is from an alternate reality. It just felt like confirmation and exposition to me. Somewhere along the line, Walter must have said something because I've been operating under the premise that something is strange about Peter. I didn't know if it was genetic testing or what, but I knew it was something. I think Walter may have mumbled "Sorry" to Peter at one point this season or something. Unfortunately, I can't remember any details other than it was crystal clear to me at the time that the show was foreshadowing something about Peter.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
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| It raises the question about the potential war the ZFT warns of, and the ethics chapter missing from all but Walter's copy. Surely Walter himself is violating some sort of ethical guideline by taking Peter from the other reality? |
The ethics chapter may have been something Walter added to the manuscript himself
after kidnapping the "other" Peter. And yes, you do have to wonder about Other Walter and how he's doing. (If he's still around.)
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To revisit a question asked earlier:
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| Has Walter figured out that Olive is Olivia or not? I can't tell. What he can't figure out is what they were doing or why. He left the manifesto behind, so it will be interesting to see what it holds. |
I'm not so sure Olive
is Olivia - at least not "our" Olivia. Now that we know that the Other World isn't just a generic parallel dimension but a specific duplicate Earth with doppelgangers of everybody, I'm starting to think that "Olive" is the Other Olivia. The tape could have been of experiments carried out by the Other Walter on his world, which may have either been inspired by "our" Walter's work - or provided the impetus for it. (There are some marvelous potentional "chicken and egg" problems when variants of the same brain compete to do similar things.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
Sheesh, no wonder Walter's cheese slid off his cracker and got thrown into the puzzle factory, it's making me nuts just reading all this stuff lol.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
parallel universe episodes have been done to death in star trek lore as the "mirror" universe.
so while i didn't connect it before this episode, but moment that this episode began with where bishop at the graveyard and talks of parallel realities was the moment i realized our peter is dead. reason is cause i remember that walter said in past episodes how when peter was young, what he remembered, etc. or what he had to endure, etc. so that automatically clicked for me that peter is dead and walter 'stole' peter from the other reality.
as for 'live, she is "the one who will bring balance to the Force"
. lots of star wars-esque stuff in JJ's works for obvious reasons.
re: X-Files comparisons, oh please. XF beats this, lost and many many current TV to pieces. XF was revolutionary, but that's not what we're here to talk about. this is a fringe thread
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
The X-Files was possible at least partially due to
Twin Peaks, but I guess that is for another thread.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
this is one of the few shows that actually still holds my interest 100%. when i watch many other shows i am often multitasking. this one completely holds my attention.
listen with your own ears...
watch with your own eyes...
make your own decision.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
the observer saved Peter's life when he was drowning... drowning where i dunno. maybe the observer put the dead peter, who did die from drowning into the parallel universe and kidnapped the alt. Peter back to this one.
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