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Wait . . . Grand Theft Auto lied?

I've stolen many cabs on GTAIV. I wasn't aware of being able to pickup any fares in a yellow cab.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

I liked how Pacey got Walter to remember what bank in to use in Providence.

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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I've stolen many cabs on GTAIV. I wasn't aware of being able to pickup any fares in a yellow cab.

I haven't played IV in a while, but I think it takes things a little more seriously. So, no paramedic or firefighter or taxi missions (except for when you can still drive Roman's taxi). But, the previous GTAs let you steal taxis and pick up fares. The goal was fifty passengers, and unlike firefighter/paramedic, you could do it in as many sittings as you wanted. With the other two, the goal is twelve and you either do all twelve at once or you have to do them all over again.

And that's all I have to say about Fringe today.
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1/13/09 at 6:10pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Fringe will return in 9480 seconds.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

I am confused. Did a new Fringe air last night? It didn't here.
(9480 is 158 minutes.)

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

No, it was a joke. I guess "Fringe will return in 600,000 seconds" is more accurate.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

I screwed the math up bad. I forgot to times my seconds into minutes. Another good joke blown.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

it was a great idea though

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Thanks, but I still have some shame to bear.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Yeah, I think you were thinking minutes, not seconds
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1/21/09 at 3:25am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

That was a truly great episode. Back with a bang!

"She is beautiful."

"Who?"

"The slug."



Anyone know what Walter said at the end, though? He told Olivia he was worried about her when she was missing, and then said something that made Peter say, "Walter. . . ."
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

If Loeb (or whoever the bad FBI dude was) was trying to save her (which he says during his interrogation), then why would he have his wife kill her?

The complete lack of answers about the larger story are really starting to wear thin with me.

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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Anyone know what Walter said at the end, though? He told Olivia he was worried about her when she was missing, and then said something that made Peter say, "Walter. . . ."

Walter: I was worried, too, when you were taken.
Olivia: Thank you, Walter.
Walter: Not as much as him, of course.
Peter: Walter...
Walter: It's true.

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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If Loeb (or whoever the bad FBI dude was) was trying to save her (which he says during his interrogation), then why would he have his wife kill her?
He was trying to save her from something, but her interference in his personal situation was more than he could handle.

Of course, if he is really on the side of good, why did he wear a mask and not tell her why he was injecting her at the time? I wish we saw more of Mr. Jones this episode.

It all makes as much sense as Loeb getting infected by that creature just so that they could coordinate getting the Little Hill location to both Mr. Jones and Loeb's wife.

I don't expect to learn the answers to all the mysteries this season, but I hope we'll understand some of the actions we've seen.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

I suspect that the "you" Loeb is referring to in "we're trying to save you" is not Olivia Dunham, but humanity/America as a whole. Who, exactly, his organization is trying to save us from (Massive Dynamic? Bell? Some unknown organization) is, as yet, unclear. I'm kind of surprised he didn't suicide/get assassinated at the end of the episode just to prevent us from having that cleared up.

Kind of a sloppy episode in places - one would think there'd be more investigation into how the giant cold virus got into the first epidemiologist's water, for instance. Bummer to see Trini Alvarado check out after just two episodes, though it was kind of inevitable ("geez, lady from The Frighteners, don't mess with Liv - didn't you see the opening?").
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

I admit, the one big problem that JJ has always had is that it's difficult to figure out who the heck is the Big Bad. We're still totally in the dark on that front.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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Walter: I was worried, too, when you were taken.
Olivia: Thank you, Walter.
Walter: Not as much as him, of course.
Peter: Walter...
Walter: It's true.


Thanks Mikah!
I played that back several times and could not understand.
Hate to miss any of Walter's comments.

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Did anyone else think that when the epidemiologist coughed up on the FBI agent (before dying). That he would also be infected and that they would have to find a cure?

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Yeah, also the teaching assistant/girlfriend who was doing mouth to mouth on the professor before Slug-thing came out...


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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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I suspect that the "you" Loeb is referring to in "we're trying to save you" is not Olivia Dunham, but humanity/America as a whole. Who, exactly, his organization is trying to save us from (Massive Dynamic? Bell? Some unknown organization) is, as yet, unclear. I'm kind of surprised he didn't suicide/get assassinated at the end of the episode just to prevent us from having that cleared up.

I suppose this makes somewhat more sense, but I still think it was a sloppy slip-up.

I do believe Abrams is going for a 'war' between two sides - Massive Dynamic on one side, and wacko German scientist who teleports on the other, with the Fringe unit in the middle. "The Watcher" is just watching.
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If Loeb (or whoever the bad FBI dude was) was trying to save her (which he says during his interrogation), then why would he have his wife kill her?

The complete lack of answers about the larger story are really starting to wear thin with me.

I don't mean to sound crass or anything, but I'm not really sure what else you expect from a show like Fringe. If anyone really thinks even a handful of answers will be given "along the way," well, I think they are watching the wrong show

With regards to the interrogation room exchange, my guess is that there are four "groups," for lack of a better term, of people in the show:

1) The FBI's Fringe division: trying to figure out/prevent whatever it is The Pattern is.

2) The people behind The Pattern: goals unkown

3) Massive Dynamic: their own agenda (playing both sides?)

4) A group of unknowns, who, like the Fringe division, are attempting to thwart The Pattern, but through their own means. Was John Scott in this group? Is Loeb (I think so)?

In the interrogation room, we saw groups 1 and 4 meet head-on. Perhaps Loeb and crew were attemping to innoculate Olivia against whatever it is The Pattern crew (group 2) are cooking up. Their methods were certainly brutal, but perhaps they were a necessity. How likely would it be for a group of individuals to show up at Olivia's door, and say something like "Hey, we know about The Pattern, and we want to stop it. How about you take this cocktail of drugs - it will protect you against what might happen to you. Thanks, bye!" Not very likely (though Walter might...)
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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Originally Posted by Mikah Cerucco
Walter: I was worried, too, when you were taken.
Olivia: Thank you, Walter.
Walter: Not as much as him, of course.
Peter: Walter...
Walter: It's true.

Thanks! I knew it was either Walter needling him about their attraction or maybe something that undercut his concern for Olivia. I'm glad it was the former.
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Perhaps Loeb and crew were attempting to inoculate Olivia against whatever it is The Pattern crew (group 2) are cooking up.
Unlikely; Dunham described the procedure as a spinal tap, and while I don't know a whole lot about medicine, that's a procedure where you're taking a sample out, not putting a vaccine in. My guess for this would be that Loeb's group, like Massive Dynamic (if they are not one and the same), has figured out that a bunch of Scott's memories may be in Liv's head, and are testing her cerebro-spinal fluid to see if there are any odd markers indicating this or maybe even some memory RNA that can be injected into another subject.

The big issue with any of that, of course, is that it indicates that Olivia is valuable to Loeb's group alive, which one would think would make them loath to kill her (unless they had already analyzed the sample from the lumbar puncture and not found what they were looking for, but only Walter works that fast ). Maybe what they were looking for is just "nice to have", rather than crucial, or Loeb was acting more to protect himself in having his wife attack Liv than to further his faction's goals.

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I don't mean to sound crass or anything, but I'm not really sure what else you expect from a show like Fringe. If anyone really thinks even a handful of answers will be given "along the way," well, I think they are watching the wrong show.
Actually, the last show that these writers worked on together, Alias, did a pretty good job in pulling the curtains back early and regularly. There was often another curtain revealed when they did this, but just as often we would actually find out something useful and the show would re-align itself.
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Actually, the last show that these writers worked on together, Alias, did a pretty good job in pulling the curtains back early and regularly. There was often another curtain revealed when they did this, but just as often we would actually find out something useful and the show would re-align itself.

It seems to be true of a lot of JJ shows... yes, I'm waiting for the big mid-season type reveal that was so common on Alias. But I'll enjoy this as it goes.

"They are looking to replace all humans with a new, superior human!" type vibe going on already. (that's NOT a spoiler, just wild speculation)
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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Unlikely; Dunham described the procedure as a spinal tap, and while I don't know a whole lot about medicine, that's a procedure where you're taking a sample out, not putting a vaccine in

Yeah but she was restrained and felt a needle going in, other than that how much does she really know to say whether its a spinal tap or if she's being injected with something or anything.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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Unlikely; Dunham described the procedure as a spinal tap, and while I don't know a whole lot about medicine, that's a procedure where you're taking a sample out, not putting a vaccine in.

Please re-read my post. You'll note I never stated the spinal-tap was the innoculation. Perhaps the spinal-tap was the first step in the process -- I would assume tests would be done using the spinal fluid, and the vaccine (or whatever) customized accordingly.

With regards to the Alias team, there are striking differences between Alias and Fringe. I would say there is more in common between Fringe and LOST, the latter of which is of course notorious for simply piling on the mystery, revealing little (though that has begun to change, finally).
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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Yeah but she was restrained and felt a needle going in, other than that how much does she really know to say whether its a spinal tap or if she's being injected with something or anything.

1) A spinal tap is intensely painful and takes time - a normal injection doesn't hurt at all and takes a few seconsl. Olivia knows the difference, perhaps just from general knowledge, possibly from experience.

2) Except for anesthetics to imobilize the legs, there isn't much reason to inject anyone with a needle deep at the base of the spine - and lost of reasons not to. It can, in fact, be extremely dangerous. If you want to poison somebody, infect them with a disease or inject them with a drug, you go for a vein in the wrist or arm, or a large muscle in the upper arm, shoulder or butt. You don't risk paralyzing the subject and wasting the agent by shooting it into the base of the spine.

So they definitely wanted a sample from her.

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1/27/09 at 9:58pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

A stand alone episode which was fine by me (not everything has to be part of the Pattern or tie into Massive Dynamics) and Astrid actually had something to do rather than get the boys a coffee I also found the add-on plot with the mother of the lab tech that died in the earlier fire was better than the A plot.

Is it a little obvious that Olivias sister was thrown into the show to make Olivia eventually jealous over Peter?

Anyway looking forward to the next ep.
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1/28/09 at 11:12am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

I enjoy the occassional stand alone. Though, it does draw attention to how much fun the conspiracy stuff is...I missed it.

Yes, Olivia's sis is now a part of the love triangle. I like it. A fun wrench to throw into the works since we know they can't get together right away. I enjoyed the development of father/son with Walter and Pacey.

The one plot that already annoys me is the cliche FBI dude investigating them. Bleeeeeehhhh. Boring. Been there, done that.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

It creates some tension, though. Especially since he's the SOB that Liv put away.

Is she still not liked by a lot of people here? I grow fonder of her with every episode.
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