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11/24/08 at 3:44pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Will those break icons be in the DVD/Blu-ray episodes, as well? I hope so...
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11/24/08 at 8:41pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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The apple means nothing. The fact that he stuck his arm through the side of a safe to grab the apple is what has a meaning.
Ah, thanks. I guess I wasn't paying too much attention. I didn't even notice it was a safe. I just thought it was some machine that would mutate an apple.

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11/24/08 at 8:45pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Asking what is the meaning of the apple while totally ignoring the huge fact that the dude was able to put his hand through a safe was funny as hell to read, LOL.

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11/24/08 at 9:10pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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Ah, thanks. I guess I wasn't paying too much attention. I didn't even notice it was a safe. I just thought it was some machine that would mutate an apple.

Don't worry about it, a friend of mine asked the same exact question right after the episode aired.
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11/25/08 at 5:21am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

To be fair, exactly what the guy was doing was unclear. I was watching in HD, rewound the scene several times, and still had trouble figuring out what the big deal was. I thought the guy was pushing his hand through a rigid curtain, and for the life of me couldn't figure out whether the apple had been duplicated or teleported.
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11/25/08 at 5:56am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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I thought the guy was pushing his hand through a rigid curtain, and for the life of me couldn't figure out whether the apple had been duplicated or teleported.

+1

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11/25/08 at 7:18am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

I don't think they could have made it any clearer what was going on, other than to have the two give a running comentary.

"Okay, I'm putting this apple in the safe, and closing the door."
"Okay."
"Now, I'm locking the safe."
"Okay."
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"Now i'm killing you."
"Okay."
"Now i'm eating the apple *crunch*"
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11/25/08 at 7:40am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

For some reason it didn't strike me as a safe. Maybe I was looking in another direction when they showed the man cranking some sort of handle or otherwise locking it, but the scene was pretty poorly directed/edited: It had us paying attention to the apple, so when he reached his hand in, I wasn't even considering that was strange; I figured it was just some sort of scientific apparatus that enclosed a space but allowed access to what was inside.
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11/25/08 at 8:37am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

I also didn't realize that it was a safe and was a bit confused. (For the record, I was watching on a standard def. TV with a DTV converter box.)
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11/25/08 at 9:06am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

A question, is the "observer" in every episode? I noticed him at the airport when Olivia went to Germany but I didn't see him last episode.

I thought the apple was gonna be teleported, or changed into gold or something, but after he pulled it out of the safe I realized he was able to put his hand through the safe wall.
I have seen Larry David in action, and that man is an animal, and he has to be stopped.
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11/25/08 at 9:54am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Fringe Easter Eggs

they have the screenshots of "the Observer" for each episode, as well as a ton of other interesting trivia on the show.. This was posted a bunch of pages ago but thought it would be nice to resurrect it. I check it out after every show for the things I missed..

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

I figured out it was a safe, but it really did look like he was simply reaching into something like one of those boxes with an opening for sterile gloves. It came across as if they were using cheap, obvious precomputer effects.
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11/25/08 at 11:02am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

I did have to rewind it once in order to figure out what the experiment was so I guess I do understand the confusion here and I agree that it was poorly edited. They shouldn't have use that rag/little curtain to cover where his hand was going. I think that's what confused most people.

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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Next Tuesday House is going to run even longer than usual. Fringe is not scheduled to start until 9:08 according to the schedule I see at Listings | TheFutonCritic.com - The Web's Best Television Resource


A reminder so you don't miss the end....

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

A pretty nifty episode, continuing to leave me impressed at the producers' abilities to think up clever/sick ideas on a weekly basis. I must admit to being kind of disappointed that there weren't actual killer butterflies with razor-sharp wings, rather than this guy having a waking nightmare of suck things. I'm also really hoping that they clear up the Scott storyline one way or another soon; it's kind of dragging.

(The preview does make it look like some stuff is coming together next week, though. Good to see that happening sooner rather than later.)

I missed the Watch^H^H^H^H^H Observer this week, but was kind of amused to see that Oceanic Air is still in business.
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11/26/08 at 10:03am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams



Approves!



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11/28/08 at 8:47pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Just watched this episode, and I thought it was the best one so far. I admit to being mostly bored with this show, but this week perked up my interest again.
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11/28/08 at 10:57pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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(The preview does make it look like some stuff is coming together next week, though. Good to see that happening sooner rather than later.)

Still a little confused over the "apple" in the safe, so finally gave up and went to the Fringe web site.


Warning Spoiler! Click to show
Looks like things will be answered next week, the apple scene was just kind of a setup for the December 2nd episode, actually called "Safe". Has a lot to do with the equation, but this time it's somebody from the team in a safe, not just an apple.

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12/2/08 at 7:08pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Cliffhangers suck.

But dang, this show is fun.
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12/3/08 at 6:04am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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Cliffhangers suck.

But dang, this show is fun.
At least we only have to wait until January. One question I have is what is the significance of Little Hill? Mitchell Loeb got himself infected by an engineered parasite just so they could get that location. We know that was the location used in extracting Mr. Jones, but why is that location better than any other location? I think this series will be one that will grow on multiple viewings.
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12/3/08 at 7:50pm
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Man, that was fun. But what a drag that we have to wait until next year.

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Cool episode. I'm really enjoying this show.

January 20 is a long time to wait to see the next episode but I guess that means that there won't be that many breaks or reruns in the spring.
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12/4/08 at 12:43pm
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I was a bit confused (well, not really) about the ending of the last episode. Walter says that he invented a time machine, but they use it to break a guy out of prison?

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12/4/08 at 1:10pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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I was a bit confused (well, not really) about the ending of the last episode. Walter says that he invented a time machine, but they use it to break a guy out of prison?

Walter was trying to build a time machine. Something that could reach out and snatch a person or object from anywhere in space and time. It wasn't the kind of device that you used to send yourself somewhere. You set it up and it pulled your target object to you. (You have the machine, but go nowhere. The person/object goes somewhere, but has no machine.) But we don't know if he actually pulled it off, because he never tested it.

Obviously a machine that could grab a renowned doctor from somewhere in Europe in 1936 and transport him to North America circa 1970 could have also grab somebody in Europe in 1970 and transport him across the ocean. This kind of time machine is also necessarily a teleporter.

These guys needed Walter's machine for that other ability - because it basically let them teleport a target out of an otherwise impregnable prison. They weren't interested in it as a time machine, anymore than a bank robber who steals a taxi to use as a getaway car is interested in earning extra money by hauling fares. (And for all we know, it also acted as a time machine. Maybe they snatched the target out of prison from a few hours or days ago.)

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12/4/08 at 1:11pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

He invented a machine that he believed could pull a person from any place in space and time, including "now" (0 on the t axis), but implies that he never tested it. Loeb uses it to retrieve David Robert Jones from the German prison. Although I suppose he could have used it to retrieve Jones from earlier in his incarceration, I suspect that Jones and company aren't ready to screw around with causality yet.

It's also very possible that the calculations necessary to use it as a time machine (though we've got no evidence that it can "push" as well as "pull") are too difficult to try. Remember that the Earth is rotating and orbiting the sun which is orbiting the galactic core and the galaxy is still racing toward the expanding edge of the universe as a result of the Big Bang; controlling for all of that may require damn-near-impossible mathematics (heck, at the scale of retrieving one person from a specific spot, plate tectonics and tides probably come into play).

Which also might explain...

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what is the significance of Little Hill? Mitchell Loeb got himself infected by an engineered parasite just so they could get that location. We know that was the location used in extracting Mr. Jones, but why is that location better than any other location?
Perhaps Little Hill is a stable location, relative to Frankfurt? Sort of like an Earthbound Lagrange point?
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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It's also very possible that the calculations necessary to use it as a time machine (though we've got no evidence that it can "push" as well as "pull") are too difficult to try.

Well, the machine doesn't need to "push" even as a time machine. It was originally designed to "pull" a particular individual from 1936 to the (then) present, not transport Walter and his son to 1936. And all that funky math would come into play in that case, as well. (I remember this being a plot point in Lester del Rey's SF juvenile, Tunnel Through Time. They had a time machine that "projected" one end of a tunnel into the past. A couple of kids fooling around with the thing before it was fully tested ended up somewhere in the age of the dinosaurs and were stranded when the timer ran out and the tunnel mechanism at the other end turned itself off. The problem was the movement of the past and present Earth relative to one another kept making the "past" end of the tunnel turn up in different places - an unforeseen issue as it turns out, which complicated the rescue plan. And the plot. )

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12/4/08 at 7:16pm
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Thanks for the explanations guys.

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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

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anymore than a bank robber who steals a taxi to use as a getaway car is interested in earning extra money by hauling fares.

Wait . . . Grand Theft Auto lied?
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12/5/08 at 10:36am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

Walter is one of the funniest characters on any prime time TV show. His lines make me cry with laughter every show.
Some classics:

"I just pissed myself. Just a squirt."

"Are you tripping Agent Dunham?"

"There is nothing I enjoy more than taking drugs...perhaps administering them."

Some of Walter's Best Work

It takes 52 pounds of pressure to rupture an eyeball...

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12/5/08 at 10:39am
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams

You forgot...

"Oh, I just got an erection."
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