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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
This can't be good, two weeks without a post.
Of course, I'm a fan, and that's usually the kiss of death for anything.
I was laughing at Walter's dialog so much I had to back up twice in the first 10 minutes of the last show.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
Tonight's the first episode in two weeks, so talk will likely pick up again.
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Oh.
OK, I'm a fan who gets to the DVR when possible. I have no idea when anything is actually "on".
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| OK, I'm a fan who gets to the DVR when possible. I have no idea when anything is actually "on". |
Another species of technological amnesia, comparable to the way so many of us don't know anybody's phone numbers anymore because they're all in speed dial or, worse, voice-dial. I was telling someone at work about one of my favorite shows the other day and she asked what night it was on - and I honestly had no idea.
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Originally Posted by Joseph DeMartino
Another species of technological amnesia...
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Little old me? Why Joseph, how you go on....
Really, that's the nicest thing I've heard in days!
I'm agreeing with phil (see above) I want to like this show, but, two in a row on re-animating first eyes and now a brain, in a lab that looks like a good place to store old equipment.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
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| I am really having a hard time suspending disbelief in this show. Can someone explain why a hospital would release a patient to a guy released from a mental ward, so he can take him back to his "Lab" which is just a room in a university, with no medical staff whatsoever???? |
Yeah, because obviously the FBI
told them who Walter was, and what sort of set up he was running at Harvard.
There's no suspension of disbelief required when you realize that the very smooth federal agents would simply have
lied to the hospital personnel and told them that they were taking the patient to some high-tech government medical facility where he will get state-of-the-art treatment.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
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| I doubt the agents would have had to say anything even like that. More like "You didn't see anything about some parasite in his body; we're taking him, goodbye" |
Exactly. I don't understand what the big deal is here. This IS the goverment we're talking about. They can do anything.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
William Sadler was good in the first thing I saw him in, the TV show Roswell. Roswell is also where I first saw Katherine Heigl from Grey's Anatomy (playing another Izzy), also Emilie de Ravin (Claire on Lost).
I liked the episode, but I did not buy that the Department of Homeland Security couldn't get Walter out, and had to leave him at the mercy of that place until the next day. I realize this show doesn't want to cast the department in a bad light, but that was just ridiculous. It was the equivalent to me of someone being stopped drunk at a red light and deciding he's not going to get out of the car and would instead just go ahead and drive home while the police helplessly stand by and go get a court order to arrest the guy. That doctor was obstructing justice and interfering with a police investigation, and IRL, they would have taken Walter and let the chips fall where they may. Let the doctor file a complaint later. Good luck getting anyone to prosecute the complaint or finding a judge that would side with him. You don't leave someone like Walter who is so singularly able to help the government at the whims of some flaky doctor and a place they already blamed for making Walter flaky in the first place.
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| I liked the episode, but I did not buy that the Department of Homeland Security couldn't get Walter out, and had to leave him at the mercy of that place until the next day. |
The "Fringe" group seems to be a highly-classified, little-known taskforce drawn from various agencies. They barely seem to exist in the normal government org charts, seem to try to keep a low profile, and there's no reason anybody outside of Fringe would know anything about Walter or how helpful he's been. Basically to get Walter out they had to
ask other agencies to pull some strings to get a
court order. Olivia seemed to be trying to get a personal favor from somebody at Justice rather than asserting DHS authority. So I don't find it implausible that it would be handled during business hours, hence the wait until the next morning. It simply isn't the kind of urgent matter that would justify waking a judge up in the middle of the night. Trust me, getting it done by the next day was an incredibly expedited response. I work for state government and we deal with the feds all the time, so I know whereof I speak.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
Am I confused or was there really a second Walter there? Maybe the one that the let out was not the "real" Walter?
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
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It doesn't matter. She's a DHS agent and that's all she needs to prove at both the mental facility, and the FBI. The FBI is quite aware of her authority as she's used them often, and it would be no big thing to use them to retrieve Walter. She did not need a court order. And given they had suspicions about what that doctor previously did to Walter, and given Walter's importance to investigating fringe science, I disagree that it wasn't an urgent matter.
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Am I confused or was there really a second Walter there? Maybe the one that the let out was not the "real" Walter?
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A second Walter? You mean on the Grassy Knoll?
No. The second Walter was all in the first Walter's head. You remember the old self-help claptrap about being "your own best friend"? Walter is his own
imaginary friend.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
I finally got caught up on the show again. So....what's up with the apple?
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Originally Posted by Joe_H
The apple means nothing. The fact that he stuck his arm through the side of a safe to grab the apple is what has a meaning.
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But the apple is one of the show's commercial break icons, so I was wondering if there was some deeper meaning to it as well.
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Re: Fringe - By J.J. Abrams
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| But the apple is one of the show's commercial break icons, so I was wondering if there was some deeper meaning to it as well. |
The break icons appear to be clues to the kind of sick stuff that whoever is behind the pattern is really up to or just a metaphor for the way they think: The flower with the insect wing in place of a petal, the six-fingered hand (someone alert Inigo Montoya!) and the apple with the two human embryos where the seeds should be - all deeply creepy images that suggest messing around with nature in a way nature is better left un-messed with.
Joe
