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I did a search and didn't come up with anything on this.

The New Classics: Movies | EW 1000: Movies | Movies | The EW 1000 | Entertainment Weekly

They've come up with a list a list of the 100 best movies of the last 25 years. So I'm looking to see where they put the best movie of the last 25 years, Se7en, on this list. Surely it's at number one I thought. No. Top 10?. No. Top 50? no. It's not even on the friggin' list. Who are these morons that make up these lists?
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

Entertainment Weekly is probably the worst publication since the days of Johannes Gutenberg.

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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

Shawshank Redemption was the most notable omission to me.
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

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Shawshank Redemption was the most notable omission to me.

This list lost all credibility with the Matrix being listed at #12. This movie should not even be on the list.
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

Um, The Matrix is a helluva lot more deserving than some of the other jokes on that list. Bottom line: this list, any list for that matter, is a waste because there will always be notable omissions and choices.

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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

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Bottom line: this list, any list for that matter, is a waste because there will always be notable omissions and choices.
Exactly. I always try to look at any list (whether it's the AFI lists, Entertainment Weekly, TV Guide, a random website or anything else) as a list of things that are good and I should check but I never put more stock in them than that because no list will ever be perfect.
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

the only way to respond to these lists is to offfer your own.

it might take me awhile to figure out my own 100.

i sure wouldnt put blair witch on there
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

This is one of my favorite issues of EW and I'm keeping it for future reference. While not a perfect set of lists, of movies, books, music, theater -- as if there could be such a thing -- I find it a helpful reference. There's a lot of movies I've not seen, books unread, music unlistened, and games never played, that I am reminded of and can perhaps revisit.

An imperfect list isn't a worthless list, for me anyway. And as EW is a pop-culture magazine, so the best of the past 25 years seems right in line with what the EW writers are best and most knowledgeable at.
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

I was actually surprised at the content of the list. Of course there was the inclusion of some absolute tripe (IMO) and only a handful of foreign language films—and one can quibble about placement. But the inclusion of movies like In the Mood for Love both pleased and surprised me.

I’d not use this as my guide, but all-in-all, not too bad a list.
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

Not the worst list they could have made, but far too many questionable inclusions and horrible omissions for me to take it seriously.

Like Lew, I looked for something surprisingly good on the list (e.g., Zelig, Roxanne, The Killer, Purple Rose of Cairo, The Commitments, Leon, Scrooged, Lone Star, The President's Last Bang, That Thing You Do, Dark City, Sliding Doors, Hard Boiled, The Dinner Game etc.) but only found surprisingly horrible ommisions (e.g., Planes, Trains & Automobiles, A Christmas Story, The Princess Bride, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Apollo 13, Se7en, Heat, Eyes Wide Shut, Kill Bill, etc.)

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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

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I love lists, and threads. like this. Without them I wouldn't know that Se7en is the best movie of the last 25 years, and similar facts.

A few (pleasantly) surprising inclusions, such as Hannah and Her Sisters, Wings of Desire, Eternal Sunshine and Far from Heaven, to name a few. am genuinely surprised to see both Shawshank and Braveheart excluded. Not from my personal tastes, but because if you polled a lot of "regular" people, those two movies together would probably take a majority of #1 spots.


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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

The Naked Gun?
South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut??
The Talented Mr. Ripley???

Those are some of what they consider the top 100 "New Classics" of the last 25 years?

No Country for Old Men ranked lower than The Naked Gun? Ha!Ha! They're Killing me. NCfOM is nowhere near a favorite film, but to rank it well below a shit stupid Leslie Nielsen spoof comedy is grand comedy in itself. I find it amusing that TheNaked Gun is on there while much better films, like the ones mentioned in G. Kaplan's post, are omitted.

This list must also make European and other foreign filmmakers very happy, as well.

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I love lists, and threads like this. Without them I wouldn't know that Se7en is the best movie of the last 25 years, and similar facts.

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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

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The Naked Gun?
South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut??
The Talented Mr. Ripley???

Those are some of what they consider the top 100 "New Classics" of the last 25 years?

No Country for Old Men ranked lower than The Naked Gun? Ha!Ha! They're Killing me. NCfOM is nowhere near a favorite film, but to rank it well below a shit stupid Leslie Nielsen spoof comedy is grand comedy in itself. I find it amusing that TheNaked Gun is on there while much better films, like the ones mentioned in G. Kaplan's post, are omitted.
I can't see how The Naked Gun can be discarded as just a stupid L. Nielsen movie. After Airplane, isn't this *the* Leslie Nielsen comedy? At the time, The Naked Gun was a fantastic movie. It revived the comedy of Airplane!, and subsequently inspired derivative comedies, good and bad, that continue today.

Maybe it doesn't play well today? Better on a Most Important list?

As for No Country -- I've not gotten to see it yet, so I intend to. No doubt it's a good movie. But is it really classic? Will it be remembered the way Naked Gun is in 20 years?

Similar to the negative comment about The Matrix -- a movie that obviously is a watershed in recent movie history -- these perspectives on the list leave me both baffled and intrigued about the views that emerge from such lists

George Kaplan's comments: You're right, it's unfortunate that especially Roger Rabbit is missing from the list. So I'll ask, what you would replace to make room for Rabbit, etc.?

The biggest omission I see is [b]Big Trouble in Little China[\b]. Definitely a "classic" for me.
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

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... So I'll ask, what you would replace to make room for Rabbit, etc.?

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Off the top of my head:
•Titanic, though I recognize that this is a minority opinion and that technically it is very deserving.
•Die Hard
•Edward Scissorhands
•Spider-Man 2, all OK, but don’t make the classic test.
•The Sixth Sense
•Speed, so bad one could fall asleep during what is supposed to be an exciting and exhilarating ride—that is, even assuming that you can get past the premise.
•Clueless, funny enough, but not a classic.
•Gladiator, mindless, not very good CGI.

I could go on, but I’ve run out of patience. There are a lot of movies on the list that are very good and that I enjoyed—but that does not mean that they are classics. No doubt (in my mind) Ghostbusters for example, is a classic and I think that it would be hard for even advocates to argue that Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery is much more than light summer entertainment, enjoyable though it may be.

True enough that Titanic will meet most viewers’ (especially the young, teen-age girl population) idea of a classic, so I’d not really object to its inclusion—but it would not be on my top 100 list of the last 25 years.
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

I'm surprised to see Die Hard (among others) considered non-classic. Die Hard was a big deal when it came out. It's a critical movie in my youth and stands above the action-movie detritus of the past 25 years. It brought a new form of action movie to the big screen; it's still beloved (nostagically) by my peers; it brought Bruce Willis to the big screen. And lead to three sequels. But I've not rewatched it in 15+ years and don't have any strong desire to do so.


So is there an important difference between "influential" and "classic"? Does "classic" mean "re-watchable"? Would you have different lists for such things?
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

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True enough that Titanic will meet most viewers’ (especially the young, teen-age girl population) idea of a classic

Yes, it's true - only teen girls liked Titanic. That's why it earned rave reviews and won so many Oscars...

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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

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I'm surprised to see Die Hard (among others) considered non-classic. Die Hard was a big deal when it came out. It's a critical movie in my youth and stands above the action-movie detritus of the past 25 years. It brought a new form of action movie to the big screen; it's still beloved (nostagically) by my peers; it brought Bruce Willis to the big screen. And lead to three sequels. But I've not rewatched it in 15+ years and don't have any strong desire to do so.


So is there an important difference between "influential" and "classic"? Does "classic" mean "re-watchable"? Would you have different lists for such things?

Die Hard is unquestionably a classic. For one, it was - and still is - a great action flick, and it was insanely influential. Not sure how anyone could think it DOESN'T belong on a list of the best movies of the last 25 years. You'd have a better argument against Speed since it's a Die Hard clone...

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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

I'm having some problems with Lew's last post too. Without question, Die Hard, Titanic, The Sixth Sense and probably Gladiator will be remembered as classic films from this era of filmmaking. Also, some arguments can be made of some other titles, but these four titles I can't question at all.





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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

According to the OED a "classic" is something that is judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of it's kind, which kinda rules out Clueless and South Park.

Die Hard is definitely IMO an outstanding example of the modern action movie, if not the best ever. I'm not a huge fan but Titanic was a critically acclaimed, award winning and massively popular disaster epic, which will stand the test of time, despite the sneers from snooty naysayers.

I would say the two most obvious omissions from that list are Se7en and The Shawshank Redemption, we Brits in particular have gone gaga over Shawshank and it was voted 3rd greatest film of all time in one recent poll here.

Wait, was Toy Story the only 'Disney' included? No Little Mermaid or Beauty and the Beast? The first Toy Story was an instant classic and remains my favorite Pixar animation.
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I love lists, and threads. like this. Without them I wouldn't know that Se7en is the best movie of the last 25 years, and similar facts.

Glad to be of service. Of course you should of already known that Se7en is the best movie of the last 25 years but I'll let you off this time.
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Wait, was Toy Story the only 'Disney' included? No Little Mermaid or Beauty and the Beast? The first Toy Story was an instant classic and remains my favorite Pixar animation.
The Lion King was there.

The Lion King did big business and had tremendous sway over future movies, expectations, and even Broadway. But I think The Little Mermaid is much more important: it launched Disney's second Golden Age, the 1990's renaissance and a new generation of fantabulous soundtracks
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

I'll point out that the term "New Classics" is kind of absurd in itself. Aside from that, it always amazes me how worked up so many people get about these lists. Personally, yeah, Die Hard and Clueless deserve inclusion. Gladiator, not so much, especially considering other modern and very popular epics such as Shawshank and Braveheart were excluded. Again, those aren't really my personal choices, but they are extremely influential and popular. Far more than Gladiator, IMO.


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Aside from that, it always amazes me how worked up so many people get about these lists.
Did you notice what forum you're posting in? People get worked up over all things movies. The ranking of their favorite and least favorite movies is the first thing I'd expect them to get worked up over
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

Taking John’s comment that New Classics is a tautology into account, I wonder if there is enough interest in the last 25 years to make up our own top 100 of the last 25 years list? If there is, I’ll start a thread with this list as a basis. I’ll also add films that for one reason or another possibly deserve inclusion. If some deserving (or what turns out to be) non-deserving movie has been overlooked, they can be included.

Then we can all rank the ones we each individually feel worthy and then can compile the consensus list.
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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

Just some films not on the list that caught my eye :


Note - Not all films listed here do I consider great or should be in, but are generally well recieved and just for comparison to stuff that are on it.

- The Usual Suspects
- JFK
- Groundhog Day
- The Big Lebowski
- Trainspotting
- Boyz in the Hood
- Amadeus
- Seven
- American Beauty
- The Untouchables
- Reservoir Dogs
- Braveheart
- American History X
- The Princess Bride
- Heat
- Good Will Hunting
- Miller's Crossing
- Ran
- Platoon
- A Christmas Story
- Ferris Bueller's Day Off
- A Fish Called Wanda
- Forrest Gump


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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

Some of the biggest omissions from the list for me are:

Shawshank Redemption
Heat
Miller's Crossing

all mentioned already and some favorites that I believe are legitimate classics:

The Last of the Mohicans
The Natural
A River Runs Through It

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Well I'd certainly have no problem with deleting Titanic, but it's the kind of film that I understand it's inclusion on this list, even though I don't agree with it.
Yes, it's true - only teen girls liked Titanic.
No, it's not true that only teen girls like it - it is true that it is a film which is a perfect match for pre-teen girls. However, back on track.

What would I delete to make room for Roger Rabbit? I think it's a better movie than tons of those on the list, so I would personally have no problems finding a lot to drop, but in search of some concensus, how about The Piano, Blair Witch, Napoleon Dynamite, Out of Africa or Dirty Dancing?

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Re: Entertainment Weekly 100 New Classics

Not to agree with "George", but a few years ago I decided to have a poll on the worst movie in my collection. The winner was Dirty Dancing, which I had bought for my (ex) wife and is no longer in my collection. It's just amusing to see it in this list.


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