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Re: This is when Blu-ray starts to piss me off.
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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
I'm not surprised in the least. Because my prediction for years now has been that the studios know that they've got to do SOMETHING in order to push Blu-ray and eventually make it replace SD. I've always bet they'd either start slacking off with the quality of SD or else save all their extra bells and whistles for Blu-ray only.
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Maybe for some titles, but not all of them.
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Re: This is when Blu-ray starts to piss me off.
And than there are those of us with thousands of dvds who are not planning on changing formats, ever.
Or until we have absolutely no choice in the matter.
While an isolated Omen score would have been nice, I have the soundtrack on CD and LP, so, no biggie.
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Re: This is when Blu-ray starts to piss me off.
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Originally Posted by mdnitoil
I really don't see what the problem is. Look at the guy just now getting into DVD. He's benefiting from getting the last iteration of all those double dips with great transfers and paying rock bottom prices.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Ulmer
There will always be a new version with better features, that's just the way the game is played.
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I think these statements sum it up nicely. No matter what it is, from houses to cars to electronics, etc. etc. there will always be newer and better versions of things. Is it really so hard to believe that films on any format would be so different. The studio wants to make money and attract new sales to old product. That's where the bells and whistles editions come in. Like it or not, it's the way it is. I have double and triple dipped on more than a few titles as many others here have. It's either that or be satisfied with the version you have or never buy the film to own at all. Those are the the options. Myself, I buy the films I want regardless of what may come because you never know what films may go OOP to never return. There have been a good many on sd dvd that are gone and not likely to see a second pressing. It sucks sometimes but, that's the game as Jeff said.
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Re: This is when Blu-ray starts to piss me off.
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Originally Posted by Brian W. Ralston
I guarantee you (as a film composer myself and knowing what composers and their agents out here are doing)...the isolated music scores were not included and stopped from being included on DVDs because of space limitations or anything else technical. It was/is purely a financial decision.
The musicians union stepped in and made the case (successfully), that the musicians were compensated for performing on the score in context of the film only. As soon as you isolate that recording outside the film (even if it is in synch with the picture...but separated out from the dialogue & sound effects), it becomes a separate product that was not accounted for in the original musician performance agreements. These musicians get paid all over again when their score performances get released as audio CDs. And in the case of isolated scores...the musicians union has argued that they should again get another fee for their music being isolated away from the film's final soundtrack (without dialogue and effects). There are valid arguments on both sides here.
Add to that the same argument from the composer's perspective where the isolated score is really a separate 'product' offered to the consumer (similar to an audio CD)...and the composers have started to ask to be compensated separately for that as well. As their initial contracts never had any contingencies for compensation on isolated score tracks.
So...the practice of having isolated scores on DVDs almost overnight became a cost prohibitive thing and had nothing to do with space on a disc in most cases. It is the performers and writers of the music who were not liking it happening without further compensation. So, the studios stopped.
In this case...they probably worked out a deal to compensate the musicians on the score and the composer separately and it is as simple as that.
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I believe that The Omen was recorded in London with the Royal Philharmonic and would not be subject to Hollywood Union rules. It is one of the reasons that many films scores were recorded in England in the late 70s and into the 80s, and why many are now recording in eastern Europe.
You are correct of course that the reason that most films don't have an isolated score is because of Union rules on compensation.
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