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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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I guess he´s talking about those running times (in PAL-format in BBFC-site)? Or something? I guess PAL for Camper is "British 'speeded up' format". It has many names..

I believe most of the (SD based) extras are in "NTSC", even in the European Blu-ray-releases (with some exceptions, of course).


Yes I prefer 'British speeded-up format' to PAL.

Are you saying that that actual movies are at 25 fps for DVD in Britain, but that the extras are Not??

Everything they show for video in Britain i have found to be at the 25fps speed. Every time they classify a movie they show it as 4% shorter running time than the US. Why would the extras be different??
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

In fact, the last papragraph of the classification statement explicitly states that the deleted scenes run 4% faster than film.

So the US runtime will be 104.1667% of the times listed for the British release.


Category Type Date Company Run Time Cut Title
Video 17/07/2008 Universal Pictures (UK) Ltd 41m 58s THE INCREDIBLE HULK ('08) - (BONUS: DELETED SCENES)

Details are likely to be more complete and accurate for the version submitted most recently.
When a film is transferred to video the running time will be shorter by approximately 4% due to the differing number of frames per second. This does not mean that the video version has been cut or re-edited.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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Yes I prefer 'British speeded-up format' to PAL.

Are you saying that that actual movies are at 25 fps for DVD in Britain, but that the extras are Not??

Everything they show for video in Britain i have found to be at the 25fps speed. Every time they classify a movie they show it as 4% shorter running time than the US. Why would the extras be different??
Because most extras are shot on NTSC video rather than film. Therefore, an NTSC to PAL conversion is done via frame-blending.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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Because most extras are shot on NTSC video rather than film. Therefore, an NTSC to PAL conversion is done via frame-blending.

Interesting but not pertinent.

These are deleted scenes I've writing about---they were shot on film, just not included in the final cut.
So just as the film is speeded up for Pal video transfer, so will these deleted scenes be.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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These are deleted scenes I've writing about---they were shot on film, just not included in the final cut.
So just as the film is speeded up for Pal video transfer, so will these deleted scenes be.

It´s rather confusing, that we talk about PAL and NTSC when it comes to Blu-ray-releases... But still..

The film itself in ALL (US, UK, Australia, Japan, etc) Blu-ray-releases is in 1080p/24fps (since it was shot in film). That should be clear.

Things start to get tricky when it comes to extras...

If those "deleted scenes" are in HD also (which might or might not be the case), they´re probably in 1080p/24fps also. Many HD-based extras (new interviews, featurettes, making-of´s, etc) are often also in 1080i (shot in HD video cameras). I believe 1080i is usually in 60i... (if they´re in "1080i/50i", US-players can´t play them, since those US-players only support "60i").

But yes, many extras are still in SD and to my understanding, most of those are in 480p NTSC-format, regardless of the region/area (at least that´s the case with the Blu-ray-releases - probably same thing with most SD DVD-releases). I just tried e.g. my *UK* Blu-ray-release of "Sweeney Todd", and most extras were in 1080i/60i HD and some in 480p/NTSC. My friend has the Australian-release of "Sweeney Todd" and it´s the same thing. These releases even have the FBI-logo before the main menu..

There are some e.g. UK Blu-ray-releases (mainly from the "smaller companies") that have extras in PAL-format OR in 1080i/50i HD. US-players can´t play them (since US-players can´t support PAL or 50i). There´s also e.g. Spanish Blu-ray-release of the Spanish horror film "[Rec] (2007)", that´s (the actual film, I mean) "1080i/50i" (so the US-players can´t play this film). The latter example is of course quite rare.

All e.g. European/Australian DVD/Blu-ray-players (and TV-sets) support BOTH PAL/NTSC and 50i/60i. That´s why they don´t really have to worry about "NTSC/60i"-based extras.

I don´t know how BBFC lists these running times when it comes to extras, but it´s best to take their running times with that "grain of salt" in any case..

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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

Very interesting.

But the time listing for the above deleted scenes EXPICITLY state they are sped up by 4% over their film counterparts.

So since US times are NOT sped up they will be longer.

Anyway, we'll know for sure on Oct 21 when our Blu-rays will tell us exactly how long the deleted section will be for the Incredible Hulk
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

Exact Info on the INCREDIBLE HULK DVD/Blu-ray Deleted Scenes

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Here’s the actual breakdown of what footage is on each edition: fficeffice" />
  • On the Hulk bonus disc (part of the 3 disc collection) there are 28:47 minutes of deleted scenes
  • On the standard DVD, there are 13:19 minutes of deleted scenes
  • On the Blu-ray version, there are 43:50 minutes of deleted scenes

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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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Wow, it's nice to right for once.

The British site listed the deleted section as 41min 58 sec in their format which does translate to 43:50 in ours.

But the poster didn't include the nearly 3 minute 'alternate opening in his total of 'deleted scenes--so it will be 46+ min if you include that.

Really glad I have Blu-ray. Getting 46+ minutes is a whole lot better than 13 minutes.

Also, I do mention to folks that you can buy an inexpensive Blu-ray player and use it on a 480p TV to get the advantage of Blu-ray features--even if you can't now afford an HDTV. that's better than wasting money on standard DVDs that you'll someday have to replace.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

Even though it's not the full 70, I'll take 45 min. of deleted scenes any day. Can't wait for this Blu-Ray.

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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

I bought this BD last week and watched it (yes, we get them real early! ). It has a nice 3D cover. I very much enjoyed this movie, more so than The Iron Man.
And this is the studio “dumbed” down version? I wish they had let them release their cut too.
Nice extras, didn’t know ILM didn’t do the effects.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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And this is the studio “dumbed” down version? I wish they had let them release their cut too.

I don't know who "they" or "them" are, but check my post #47 of this very thread. It includes a link to an interview with Incredible Hulk director Louis Leterrier, in which he states that the version of the film released in theaters is his cut of the film, with which he is perfectly happy. This release has not been "dumbed down."

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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

Thanks for the interview link.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

No problem. There seems to be a lot of confusion over this title, particularly with regard to deleted scenes, and the theatrically-released cut of the film. It's refreshing to have a director come out and say straightforwardly, "I'm perfectly happy with the film as-is."

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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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It's refreshing to have a director come out and say straightforwardly, "I'm perfectly happy with the film as-is."
Flashforward to a couple of years from now when he's saying "The expanded version of The Incredible Hulk gives the viewer a richer and more character driven experience in the world of these characters".
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Flashforward to 2010 or 2011 when he's saying "This expanded version of the film and gives the viewer a richer and more character driven experience in the world of The Incredible Hulk".
The director could certainly be happy with his version, so there's no need to make fun of him for it.

From all accounts, the major advocate for the 70 extra minutes was Ed Norton. Frankly, I'm tempted to take his side (knowing his experience and passion for the actual comics), but seeing as how the studio and him are pretty much splitsville, I don't think it's likely that a new home video version will be released for a while.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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No problem. There seems to be a lot of confusion over this title, particularly with regard to deleted scenes, and the theatrically-released cut of the film. It's refreshing to have a director come out and say straightforwardly, "I'm perfectly happy with the film as-is."

As I recall, it was Edward Norton who took extreme issue with the theatrical cut, not the director.
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The director could certainly be happy with his version, so there's no need to make fun of him for it.
Yeah, he could be but that still won't stop an expanded version if the studio wants to sell this movie again.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

there seems to be a problem with the copies of incredible hulk blurays.

take a look.

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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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From all accounts, the major advocate for the 70 extra minutes was Ed Norton. Frankly, I'm tempted to take his side (knowing his experience and passion for the actual comics), but seeing as how the studio and him are pretty much splitsville, I don't think it's likely that a new home video version will be released for a while.
It sort of sounds Edward Norton got played by Marvel. This is the way I see it: He signed on to do the movie on the condition that he'd get a pass at the script. His draft beefs up the script with many character building scenes and psychological drama, etc. His draft gets filmed, but in the editing, Marvel cuts nearly all the additions Norton made to the script, pissing him off and effectively getting nullifying his creative duties & writing credit.

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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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there seems to be a problem with the copies of incredible hulk blurays.

take a look.

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isnt there a bit more to it then just "a problem"

there is some indication this happened in canada, and by this i mean the
wrong hulk movie in the cases.

My Hulk has the right one in it.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

There's no review thread for the Blu Ray of this yet.

I can't believe it!

I never got to see this movie. Is it worth a blind buy on BD? I'm inclined to pick it up (love action and superhero movies). But I wouldn't buy BDs of Daredevil or Ghost Rider. Is this in that category or better?
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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There's no review thread for the Blu Ray of this yet.

I can't believe it!

I never got to see this movie. Is it worth a blind buy on BD? I'm inclined to pick it up (love action and superhero movies). But I wouldn't buy BDs of Daredevil or Ghost Rider. Is this in that category or better?

Better. I think it is safe to say that the majority opinion of this film is that it is better than Daredevil or Ghost Rider.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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The director could certainly be happy with his version, so there's no need to make fun of him for it.

I have no problem shining the light on a director who came right out and said you would see every deleted scene (used the term suicide cut) and that you would see Captain America in the theatrical version.

No one is pulling this info out of their hats, HE said it.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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I have no problem shining the light on a director who came right out and said you would see every deleted scene (used the term suicide cut) and that you would see Captain America in the theatrical version.

No one is pulling this info out of their hats, HE said it.
Where? The interviews says that Letterier "hopes he can" and "he's trying", but never says what you're claiming. Not to mention his words were from before the studio got a chance to look at the proposed extras.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

I believe the wrong disc issue is affecting Canada. FutureShop has a sign stating the blu-ray will be released on friday instead of today.
I went to the nearest Wal-Marde and they were taking them off the shelves. One of the workers said they heard it was an issue with the digital copy, but then I overheard the other workers talking about a call from a guy who just bought it, everything on the box and disc showed Incredable Hulk, popped it in, and was presented Ang Lee's HULK.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

I spun the Blu of this tonight, very good indeed, as good as Iron Man, no. It lacked the "cool" factor that Iron Man had. But, this is a very good film, as good as Lee's film, no. I still like his film better. Lee's film had better acting, better story telling and overall a better Hulk.

This does have one of the most amazing DTS-MA tracks I've ever heard. The channel separation is excellent while creating a very immersive sound field. Amazing! The image quality is also very good but after demoing "For Your Eyes Only" for my wife before the film, it falls short of being "that good".

All-n-all a very well done film and one worthy to add to the Blu collection.

Oh, and that ending, I had the biggest smile after seeing that. Yet another sign that Iron Man owns the comic book movie genre.

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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

I'm disappointed to learn that the deleted scenes aren't in HD (why?!), but are they at least 16x9?
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

I'd like to make a critique of the Blu-ray release of The Incredible Hulk that no one has mentioned yet. Menu spoilers. If you're going into this disc without ever having seen the film be warned - the video running behind the main menu gives away numerous scenes that are better left discovered during the unfolding of the story. Perhaps this is a nitpick, but it really bothers me when a studio assumes that everyone who buys a DVD/Blu-ray disc has already seen the movie. First timers beware...

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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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I'd like to make a critique of the Blu-ray release of The Incredible Hulk that no one has mentioned yet. Menu spoilers. If you're going into this disc without ever having seen the film be warned - the video running behind the main menu gives away numerous scenes that are better left discovered during the unfolding of the story. Perhaps this is a nitpick, but it really bothers me when a studio assumes that everyone who buys a DVD/Blu-ray disc has already seen the movie. First timers beware...

This is a huge peeve for me that I wish the studios would stop. It's the main reason I prefer the movie to start as soon as you pop in the disc.
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Re: "Incredible Hulk" Blu-ray: Planned with 70 Minutes of Cut Footage?

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I'd like to make a critique of the Blu-ray release of The Incredible Hulk that no one has mentioned yet. Menu spoilers. If you're going into this disc without ever having seen the film be warned - the video running behind the main menu gives away numerous scenes that are better left discovered during the unfolding of the story. Perhaps this is a nitpick, but it really bothers me when a studio assumes that everyone who buys a DVD/Blu-ray disc has already seen the movie. First timers beware...

thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to quickly start the movie.

I also agree that studios should not do these silly video menus and give away stuff that is in the film.
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