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'Star' to be born in new light
Warner Bros. restoring George Cukor's 1954 film

By Carolyn Giardina

May 23, 2008, 01:00 AM
Warner Bros. Motion Picture Imaging is restoring George Cukor's 1954 "A Star Is Born" in 6K resolution.

The film, starring Judy Garland and James Mason, is believed to be the first restoration project where the scanning, restoration work and mastering will be completed at that resolution.

Digital film restoration is most commonly accomplished at 2K, though an increasing number have been using 4K. A 4K file contains four times as much picture information -- measured in pixels -- as a 2K file, and 6K contains 2 1/4 times as much as a 4K file.

Ned Price, vp mastering, Warner Bros. Technical Operations, said that the facility's reason to go to higher resolution was because "The original camera negative contains more information than 2K, though 2K is today's typical display resolution. But we anticipate higher display resolution in the future. So we are attempting to preserve the asset, rather than just create an element for exhibition."

The key goal of the project is preservation, but the restored version of the film will also eventually be released on Blu-ray Disc and standard DVD.

"There has been photochemical work done on this particular title, but with new digital tools we are able to retrieve the original color balance of the faded negative in a way that we could not reproduce photochemically," Price said. "We made film preservation elements since the film had differential fading, meaning ... the edges of the film had more oxygen and deteriorated quicker. By scanning it, we're able to get a completely flat field of color."

Numerous restoration industry leaders share the belief that the community needs to step up to a resolution higher than 2K for restoration and preservation. Still, opinions vary, as more storage and bandwidth is needed to handle these larger files, which along with cost, is a challenge.

"6K is typically a costly proposition, so that's why we are testing the waters on 'A Star is Born,' " Price said. "As the size of data is more easily managed and the tools become more accessible, we will increase our resolution."

Restoration of "A Star Is Born" is expected to take four to six months. Said Price: "Our expectation is that the restoration would live for easily 100 years."

Warner Bros. Motion Picture Imaging, the studio's digital post and restoration facility, has recently restored such titles as "Bonnie and Clyde," "Dirty Harry," "Cool Hand Luke" and "How the West Was Won."
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Great news! I hope that they also restore and release the original 30s version. It's in desperate need of a rescue from PD hell!!
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This is great news. I think A Star is Born is the first CinemaScope masterpiece. I just hope when this release makes it to Blu-ray and DVD that they present it with seamless branching option so you can skip the still sequences if you want to. It is good that we have them, Haver did some great work, but when I watch the film I find the still image sequences quite disrupting.
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Nothing on whether or not the lost scenes from the film have been reinstated or not.
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I look forward to this as well. I attended the AFI Premier of this at Radio City. Sat right in front of Liza and next to James Mason.
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This is the most exciting news I have read lately. I love this movie and am really looking forward to seeing the results. It gets more and more difficult to resist Blu-ray.
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I look forward to this as well. I attended the AFI Premier of this at Radio City. Sat right in front of Liza and next to James Mason.


Hey Scooter, I was there as well! What a fantastic night that was to see the film and the restored sequences on such a large screen.

I am really looking forward to the eventual release of this film as well, and it may be the catalyst to move me to purchase a Blu-ray player.
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Thanks for that post -

Does anyone (Jack Theaston?) know what level you would need to scan a film to achieve the equivalent of 35mm?
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Excuse me for asking this (perhaps dumb) question, but what good would a 6K transfer do, to a regular 35mm film? That already has a 4K resolution, doesn't it? Or does it has to do with the fact that it's Cinemascope (it's anamorphic, and 6K would give a far better transfer?)?

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Excuse me for asking this (perhaps dumb) question, but what good would a 6K transfer do, to a regular 35mm film? That already has a 4K resolution, doesn't it? Or does it has to do with the fact that it's Cinemascope (it's anamorphic, and 6K would give a far better transfer?)?

I would've thought that 4K would be more than enough given the coarse grain structure of Eastmancolor stocks of that vintage.

But maybe they did some tests and found that 6K was an improvement?

Or maybe they worked out that 6K doesn't cost that much more than 4K, so thought they should use the extra resolution in the interests of future proofing?

Maybe having a 6K scan of the negative means they can go back to that master in 5 or 10 years time as digital restoration tools improve, thus meaning they won't have to scan the negative ever again.

Or maybe it is just a bit of over kill to ensure the board that they are doing an absolute cutting edge restoration.
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I wish they would just pay off the guy that has the complete prints and finally release it full restored. I'm sure transferring at 6K would cost more than whatever the guy wants.
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A Star Is Born (1954) Blu-ray - Scanned,Resored, Mastered in 6K Resolution

A Star Is Born Coming to Blu-ray scanned-restored-masterd @ 6K resolution:

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Warner Brothers has revealed that they are currently restoring the 1964 classic 'A Star is Born' at 6K resolution, in hopes of soon releasing it as a Blu-ray disc. The film, which stars Judy Garland and James Mason, will be the first film to be completely mastered at 6K - from scanning to restoring to mastering - and is expected to take six months to complete.

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I would've thought that 4K would be more than enough given the coarse grain structure of Eastmancolor stocks of that vintage.

But maybe they did some tests and found that 6K was an improvement?

Or maybe they worked out that 6K doesn't cost that much more than 4K, so thought they should use the extra resolution in the interests of future proofing?

Maybe having a 6K scan of the negative means they can go back to that master in 5 or 10 years time as digital restoration tools improve, thus meaning they won't have to scan the negative ever again.

Or maybe it is just a bit of over kill to ensure the board that they are doing an absolute cutting edge restoration.

Probably all those options . I'm sure they want to test it, because they want to use it on films that are going to need it (Ben-Hur perhaps/probably). Although on this one, it seems indeed a bit like overkill.

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I saw this on HDNet movies, and it looked pretty good, but not perfect. The Blu-Ray should be sensational!

But I'm surprised they would do 6K. Would an early Cinemascope production have that much info on its OCN to begin with?

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I wish they would just pay off the guy that has the complete prints and finally release it full restored. I'm sure transferring at 6K would cost more than whatever the guy wants.

My guess is that Warner has given up on trying to deal with him. Perhaps he's afraid of going to jail, like the one collector who had one of the negatives to the cut numbers when they were first reconstructing it it.

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This sounds pretty interesting. I never seen it. Are the lost scenes part of what was originally shown upon it's itintial release, or a directors cut thing? I'm outta the loop.
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I doubt that the OCN has 6k information, but there's no harm in harvesting an image at 6k via a Northlight, and downrezzing to 4k, which should perform nicely.

Taking the project through all phases at 6k would seem like overkill, especially in dirt cleanup, but a nice (albeit expensive) experiment nonetheless.

Warner is, and has been, extremely quality conscious with their in-house restoration projects.

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I doubt that the OCN has 6k information, but there's no harm in harvesting an image at 6k via a Northlight, and downrezzing to 4k, which should perform nicely.

Taking the project through all phases at 6k would seem like overkill, especially in dirt cleanup, but a nice (albeit expensive) experiment nonetheless.

Warner is, and has been, extremely quality conscious with their in-house restoration projects.

RAH

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For a movie as fine as this one, nothing is too good.

(Yep, I'm a fan!)
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Will this still have the missing scenes with audio only, or has that footage been found?

Great to see another classic coming! Thank you Warner!!!

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This sounds pretty interesting. I never seen it. Are the lost scenes part of what was originally shown upon it's itintial release, or a directors cut thing? I'm outta the loop.

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"A Star is Born" premiered at 181 minutes, but then cut down by 30 minutes because Jack L. Warner thought a shorter film would make more money. The cuts were made without the approval or assistance of director George Cukor and these cuts ravaged the film.

In the early 1980s, film historian Ron Haver persuaded WB to restore the cut version. The multichannel tracks was long gone (and sadly, this was not the only WB film this happened to; Calamity Jane, Giant, and Auntie Mame are among the sad list of stereo films now only extant in mono), but a 151-minute print with 4 track stereo (with very few high ends) was located. A search for cut scenes began. They were able to find a mono 181-minute soundtrack, and looped in the cut scenes. For about 5 minutes where footage absolutely, positively could not be found, B&W stills were used instead. Later in the 1980s, supposedly WB got in contact with a former employee who said he had not one, but two IB Tech 35mm prints that were totally uncut, but the deal to acquire them fell thru. I suppose that when Time Warner merged with Warner Communications and with Ron Haver's death in 1993, the drive for futher work died too. Hopefully they will make one more try or another search through the vaults.

There are plenty of films that may benefit from the reinstatement of cut scenes, but those aren't the ones that get it, and the superfluous "director's cuts" often ruin it for them.

More discussion here:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...A+Star+is+Born

Read Ron Haver's book on the making and reconstruction of the film. It's out of print, but I found a used copy on Amazon. I recommend it.

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I wish they would just pay off the guy that has the complete prints and finally release it full restored. I'm sure transferring at 6K would cost more than whatever the guy wants.
Over the years there have been persistent rumors that a film collector somewhere has a complete print. Does anyone know if this is indeed fact or simply wishful thinking?
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Here's the thumbnail version:

"A Star is Born" premiered at 181 minutes, but then cut down by 30 minutes because Jack L. Warner thought a shorter film would make more money. The cuts were made without the approval or assistance of director George Cukor and these cuts ravaged the film.

In the early 1980s, film historian Ron Haver persuaded WB to restore the cut version. The multichannel tracks was long gone (and sadly, this was not the only WB film this happened to; Calamity Jane, Giant, and Auntie Mame are among the sad list of stereo films now only extant in mono), but a 151-minute print with 4 track stereo (with very few high ends) was located. A search for cut scenes began. They were able to find a mono 181-minute soundtrack, and looped in the cut scenes. For about 5 minutes where footage absolutely, positively could not be found, B&W stills were used instead. Later in the 1980s, supposedly WB got in contact with a former employee who said he had not one, but two IB Tech 35mm prints that were totally uncut, but the deal to acquire them fell thru. I suppose that when Time Warner merged with Warner Communications and with Ron Haver's death in 1993, the drive for futher work died too. Hopefully they will make one more try or another search through the vaults.

There are plenty of films that may benefit from the reinstatement of cut scenes, but those aren't the ones that get it, and the superfluous "director's cuts" often ruin it for them.

More discussion here:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...A+Star+is+Born

Read Ron Haver's book on the making and reconstruction of the film. It's out of print, but I found a used copy on Amazon. I recommend it.
I'm rather doubtful that anyone would have a dye transfer Technicolor print of the uncut A Star is Born. According to the Ronald Haver book on the subject, Technicolor printed the original run on Eastmancolor. Only the cut version was printed in dye transfer. So it seems to me that even if this phantom collector does have a full length print, it would now look like a B&W film projected through a pink filter. Mind you, these restored segments could always be colorized to match the rest of the film.
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I'm rather doubtful that anyone would have a dye transfer Technicolor print of the uncut A Star is Born. According to the Ronald Haver book on the subject, Technicolor printed the original run on Eastmancolor. Only the cut version was printed in dye transfer. So it seems to me that even if this phantom collector does have a full length print, it would now look like a B&W film projected through a pink filter. Mind you, these restored segments could always be colorized to match the rest of the film.

I stand corrected. However, it's all academic unless Warner actually obtains it.

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Add me to the list of consumers who will buy this film whenever it is improved upon- It is certainly Garland's penultimate performance, and if they can continue to improve the look of this classic, I will be in line to buy my copy.

I only wish that if there is indeed a complete 3 hour Roadshow print out there somewhere that it could come to light so we can all see the film complete and restored. There is no excuse for a private film collector to sit on something and not share it with the world. It is the belief of many that had the film not been cut as it was, Judy Garland would have won the Academy Award she so richly deserved.
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I have heard the rumors of the legendary uncut prints before and I absolutely do not believe them. Are you telling me that WB would spend all the time and money to do a 6K re-transfer of the existing version when they know that a complete print exists?! Thanks to Disney Studios, copyright protections now last 100 years, so any prints that exist anywhere are legally the property of WB, no matter how the person got them. If these prints exist, WB could simply seize them, the same way the "Lose That Long Face" number was taken from a collector. Can you think of any reason WB wouldn't do that? Because the guy used to work there? I don't think so - the money they would make off such a release would far outweigh any loyalty to a former employee.

To me, this just lands in the pile with all the other "lost film" stories, including the one that the deleted numbers from "The King and I" exist in the Philippines or that someone saw them at a screening in Rochester, NY in the 1970s. Yeah, right.
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. . . . copyright protections now last 100 years, so any prints that exist anywhere are legally the property of WB, no matter how the person got them. If these prints exist, WB could simply seize them . . . . .
Holding the copyright is not the same as owning individual prints. If this rumoured print does exist, it belongs to the owner. He does not have the right to screen it in public or to sell or lease it to a DVD producing company but the physical entity is still his property - assuming of course that he obtained it legally. Warners do not have the right to seize this print any more than they have the right to confiscate your DVD of A Star Is Born.
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Holding the copyright is not the same as owning individual prints. If this rumoured print does exist, it belongs to the owner. He does not have the right to screen it in public or to sell or lease it to a DVD producing company but the physical entity is still his property - assuming of course that he obtained it legally. Warners do not have the right to seize this print any more than they have the right to confiscate your DVD of A Star Is Born.
How could one acquire a 35mm print legally when they were never sold, only rented?
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Warners do not have the right to seize this print any more than they have the right to confiscate your DVD of A Star Is Born.
Tell that to Roddy McDowell.
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Tell that to Roddy McDowell.

? STORY STORY!! Did Roddy get prints seized? Monkey heads from Planet Of The Apes.
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