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Re: More Research Asserts that Blu Ray Adoption Isn't Apt to Surge
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The possibility that Blu-Ray only hits an LD sized market concerns me - does that entail the possibility that software and hardware prices might rise instead of fall once it becomes clear it hits that point? If DVD had flopped and LD had remained king of home theater media, I never would have been able to get into home theater to begin with based on the hardware and software prices.
It was really disappointing to see Panasonic release the BD50 at such a high MSRP. I realize the dollar is weak and investors need to be coddled to, but I would think they would realize how potentially dangerous it is to the success of Blu overall to be asking $700 for a player at this stage in the game.
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I don't think you can tell this early in the game whatever it's going to do. Now it's the battle between DVD and Blu-Ray, and if Blu-Ray is going to take as long as it took DVD to become the standard (I don't know how long it took in the US, but here it was at least a year of four) you'll have to wait. The prices will drop, eventually. I remember buying Star Wars Episode I (please, don't comment
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We'll just have to wait.
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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
Hehheh. I forgot that they reduced the region coding from DVD -- though I do wonder if folks in many other countries are quite as uptight about cuts and such things as we are here in the USA (and a few other places) and would complain much if those other regions went for lowest common denom for cuts.   Actually, I'd think only cinephiles care all that much about "excessive" censorship, and in that case, they/we would probably need to import from other countries to get around censorship anyway. The rest (of the majority public) probably wouldn't complain much, if at all, about lowest common denom type of censorship (along w/ using language dubs and such instead of subtitles in many cases).
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Re: More Research Asserts that Blu Ray Adoption Isn't Apt to Surge
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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
It's not so much about being up tight about the things that we in the U.S. are as being up tight about different things. A film that in the U.S. might get a PG or PG-13 because there is no nudity or sex, might get the U.K. equivalent of an R rating because of violence.
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Doug,
I'm aware of some of the differences, including the sex/nudity vs violence thing, but I thought UK (and most of Europe) is in a different region from the USA, no?
Anyway, my point was not to argue that it is actually feasible to do, but to simply raise the question whether it is feasible or not -- and whether the studios would consider such. But you're probably right that it's not feasible anyhow...
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Doug,
I'm aware of some of the differences, including the sex/nudity vs violence thing, but I thought UK (and most of Europe) is in a different region from the USA, no?
Anyway, my point was not to argue that it is actually feasible to do, but to simply raise the question whether it is feasible or not -- and whether the studios would consider such. But you're probably right that it's not feasible anyhow...
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Yeah I believe region A is the Americas; East and Southeast Asia.
Region B is Africa, Europe, Oceania; Middle East; French territories; Greenland.
And Region C is Central and South Asia; Mongolia, Russia, and China.
It might be feasible for some films, particularly if the producing studio is also the distributor. But I'm not sure if they would be able to do it with enough films to make it practical.
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I actually don't think it's feasible. A lot of films have different distributors for different parts of the world (Example: Titanic was distributed in the US by Paramount, the rest of the world was distributed by Fox). Those can create problems. Also, you need a lot of dubbing soundtracks and subtitle tracks (okay, they don't use up that much space, but the can when there are a lot of them crammed on one disc) to be put on a disc, if the distributor wants to release them regionfree.
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Interesting article about Blu-ray players overcoming DVD players in sales at certain retailers by the end of summer.
Electronics specialists expect Blu-ray to outpace DVD sales - 5/23/2008 - Video Business
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Supply is hunky dory some places. I was in Busted Buy this week and they had several piles of Sony 300's in the aisles. It looked like you could get pretty much what you wanted. The only player I didn't see was the Sony ES player. The $699 Denon open-box player I'd seen the week before hadn't sold. I recognized it by a little scratch. Knoxville is the "capitol" of Appalachia seemingly. It's not a wealthy region. Locally, I don't see a big move to Blu. I'd like to.
Some deographics may be going Blu and others may get the HD blues....?
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Very interesting Robert, especially where (if this is close to being accurate) demand is outpacing supply. This of course means that the prices will stay high until the supply meets the pent-up demand.
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I'm not entirely convinced about the accuracy of the article as it pertains to the average consumer and the retailers they frequent for their discreationary spending.
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Sounds like the article is talking about revenue, not units, though when comparing actual sales figures. And when it does mention units, it's talking about expected growth in the next year or so, not current sales.
Also, they're talking mainly about "specialist" dealers, not about places like Best Buy or Walmart.
Still, it's an encouraging sign nonetheless...
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Big Blu push at Wal-Mart?
My local Walmart hasn't been a big HD supporter but I was pleasantly surprised today to see they had rearranged their entertainment section and now had a large Blu-Isle. Lots of movies at good prices. Most titles were 25.99 but I'd say 30% of the titles were 19.99 or lower, with many as low as 14.99. This wasn't sale pricing either, just normal everyday list.
They also had some new hardware in, a Magnavox player was under $300 and Samsung's new full featured 2.0 player was selling for $350.
I was gleefully shocked and picked up a couple of titles to reward... them.
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Re: More Research Asserts that Blu Ray Adoption Isn't Apt to Surge
Since "China" was mentioned..
Chinese Companies Authorized To Produce Blu-Ray Products - ChinaTechNews.com - The Technology Source for the Latest Chinese News, Information, and Commentary on Internet, Computers, Digital, Science, Electronics, Law, Security, Software, Telecom, and
"Eleven Chinese disc manufacturers, including TCL, Malata and Desay, have been authorized by Blu-ray Disc Association to produce Blue-Ray discs, CDs, and disc players next year.
According to president of Blu-ray Disc Association, each of the manufacturers have now turned to BD development since Toshiba's withdrawal from the HD DVD camp in February this year and BDA's member number has increased to 187 while that of International DVD Forum has decreased to 163 from 240.
It is estimated that the demand for consumer electronics and computers adopted with BD technology will reach 5.3 million this year and top 11 million by 2009."
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Re: More Research Asserts that Blu Ray Adoption Isn't Apt to Surge
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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
They have been doing this with SD DVDs for years.
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Not to the same degree. DVDs at most has 3 regions on them due to space issues. 2,4,5 region discs were common, but they could never go beyond that without sacrificing bitrate. PAL/NTSC was an issue for DVD that no longer presents itself, too.
Now it's true that Warner may not have rights to every film in every territory. But this is the minority of cases.
And as far as I an tell, Warner has yet to release an alternate cut for another territory due to censorship reasons, at least on BD. However, you are correct in that other studios may care about this greatly, with Warner being the lone exception.
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Not to the same degree. DVDs at most has 3 regions on them due to space issues. 2,4,5 region discs were common, but they could never go beyond that without sacrificing bitrate. PAL/NTSC was an issue for DVD that no longer presents itself, too.
Now it's true that Warner may not have rights to every film in every territory. But this is the minority of cases.
And as far as I an tell, Warner has yet to release an alternate cut for another territory due to censorship reasons, at least on BD. However, you are correct in that other studios may care about this greatly, with Warner being the lone exception.
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Fox DVD frequently include menus for up to 5 languages (not just subtitles but actual menus), and Disney DVDs have made use of the Angle button for alternate title sequences although I think they stopped doing that a few years ago.
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My brother told me that he quit buying BD's because his big TV is broken down and he only has DVD in his bedroom.
TVA just announced a 20% increase for electricity starting this autumn. The economy isn't getting any better. Blu is rabid with the few and "say what" with most folks. Is it as big as LD yet....??? Maybe?
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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
Perhaps reports of BD's demise were a bit premature?
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After a rather slow start, sales of Blu-ray high-definition titles are accelerating and are likely to take off exponentially during the holiday season, according to a report by U.K.-based Futuresource. Blu-ray titles will account for about 12 percent of video sales by the end of the year, the research firm said, and will rise to 61 percent by 2012. In a statement Futuresource managing director Jim Bottoms said, "What has impressed me most is the way the retailers are supporting Blu-ray and how much space they are giving over to Blu-ray discs." |
I know, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement proclaiming a rose-colored future for BD, but it's better news than what we had been hearing for some time. |
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That's the rosiest... I mean BLUEST, report I've seen in like 18 months.
Does anyone think the good old U.S. of A. will hit double digits this yr?
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