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Would it be better for the overall quality of the discs if it remained a large niche? No MAR jobs, no excessive DVNR, no sub-EPK extras. Unfortunately, it would prevent a lot of worthy titles from getting released.
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So, when you combine the Blu-ray player and PS3 you get about 10% of 2500 surveyed? That's about right at this stage and not too bad really. 250 out of 2500 want or own a player and if we multiply that number it gets even better. The survey, the way I read it, is in Blu's favor. I don't even think dvd had this penitration when it was launched and I heard all the same surveys then as I do now. Blu-ray is here to stay and only going to grow stronger as everything makes it's move to Hi-Def.
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Re: More Research Asserts that Blu Ray Adoption Isn't Apt to Surge
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Depends on the people who make up that large niche. If I look at all the complaints about a little grain in a movie, I'd say that the current niche is not averse to excessive DVNR.
I doubt BD will ever overtake DVD but I'd like to see it grow to the point that releasing classic movies will be profitable for studios and that smaller companies like Criterion and Blue Underground can release their catalogue and make a profit. Otherwise we might be stuck with a format on which only last year's hit from Hollywood that looks like a video game gets a release and that does not interest me at all.
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Criterion and Blue Underground ARE releasing titles to Blu-ray this year. Check it out:
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Bottom line....
These BR players and software need to come down in price if you want
to entice the common consumer into purchase.
Now that the format war is over there seems to be no incentive
for many of the major companies to drop prices.
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Bottom line....
These BR players and software need to come down in price if you want
to entice the common consumer into purchase.
Now that the format war is over there seems to be no incentive
for many of the major companies to drop prices.
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There is an incentive, but the economic state including the devalue of the dollar has played a part in this pricing issue. The real test will come this Fall and holiday season.
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Don't underestimate the effect of the devalued dollar (essentially a form of inflation) on pricing. A dropping dollar and soaring oil prices do not make for a good combination for items with large quantities of plastic in them. It is not the only reason, of course, but it is a factor.
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Did anyone else get hung up on this line: "Of course, just 35% of those polled owned an HDTV"? Well, who gives a rip about the other 65%?! How is Blu-ray gonna take off with non-HD consumers? Hey, here's another factoid for ya--out of 2,500 people surveyed, only 10% were interested in funding advanced space research; of course, 2,250 of the people surveyed were members of the ancient Umbutu tribe of darkest East Africa, so that's worth considering. This means that only 875 members of this polling pool are even viable candidates right now (the others can be shunted off to a "More Research Asserts that HDTV Adoption Isn't Apt to Surge" article). So now we're talking about 9% of 875, with that number likely to jump up by at least 4%-5% in short order since it's clear than many HD-DVD owners are actively prepared to go Blu any moment now. I think those are swell numbers at this stage of the game. I still think 2009 (the year entire) will be the true measuring stick of what the future will hold re: the level of success for Blu-ray. For now, I'm with many of the rest of you--hell, I'm spending over $200 on Blu-ray titles just next Tuesday alone.
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Don't underestimate the effect of the devalued dollar (essentially a form of inflation) on pricing. A dropping dollar and soaring oil prices do not make for a good combination for items with large quantities of plastic in them. It is not the only reason, of course, but it is a factor.
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It is becoming a large factor with HT equipment that is mostly imported and the effects of the dropping dollar and soaring oil prices is affecting everything from groceries to vehicle purchases.
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Now that the format war is over there seems to be no incentive
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Because of course this historically being the slowest time of the year for electronics and media sales has nothing to do with it...
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Many entertainment products are still selling well - even if they've dropped off a bit. The Wii is still selling great, GTA IV sold in monsterous numbers, HDTVs are selling very well also, etc.
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Wrong.
Perhaps you haven't read reports from NPD and Nielsen, but
all of the consoles experienced a drop-off. On the other hand, the PS3 has managed to outsell the 360 several times, and in terms of software, is doing a good job of keeping up when hardware ratios are taken into account. Yes GTAIV sold great, but it was expected to. I'd love to see your evidence of HDTV sales growing, as well.
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As mentioned above, this is generally one of the slowest times of the year for electronics and media sales, and this has been borne out in console sales, player sales, and disc sales for both DVD and Blu-ray.
Saying that something is failing without providing context--especially when that context explicitly says that everything else is experiencing a bit of a slowdown--strikes me as a little bit disingenuous.
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I was just responding to correct an incorrect statement.
I guess the only fair comparison would be to look at total units sold while both were on the market but I'm not going to go back and look at all of those numbers. Considering the last holiday season numbers I would guess that the 360 has outsold PS3 in head to head competition but I could be wrong.
I think it is probably safe to say that the PS3 people are a little troubled to see the PS3 once again trending behind the 360. Considering all things they probably expected the PS3 to out sell the 360 each and every month.
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NPD numbers only account for the US. Globally the PS3 has outsold the 360 every month since mid-last year. Xbox makes more than half it's total sales in America, where playstation I think is something like 25%.
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Not a lot of titles? Have you seen the
release schedule for the next two months?
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Don't underestimate the effect of the devalued dollar (essentially a form of inflation) on pricing. A dropping dollar and soaring oil prices do not make for a good combination for items with large quantities of plastic in them. It is not the only reason, of course, but it is a factor.
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I'm just quessing but I'd suppose that the fuel cost to transport finished discs is a way bigger factor than the amount of oil in the discs.
I think Blu-ray is doomed to minority format status for the next several years if not permanently. I think that the creators of the format blundered by designing a format that they want, not what the average consumer would. I think HD-DVD got one thing right, DVD compatibility. I think Blu could, with cheaper players also in the equation, make gains faster if they had a DVD compatiable program on many of the discs if not all.
For the time being I don't have to worry about friends asking to borrow my Blu-rays. The only person I know with a BD player is my mom. I got it for her so she could borrow my discs. She and my late dad have always followed me to new formats.....LD and later DVD. Well, my brother got a Blu player too.....but outside of my family....nada.
Even if the economy wasn't recessing, IMO, Blu at today's prices would stille be struggling. Holly Wood's dream of huge windfall profits off HD will proably go unrealized....???
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Jeff, BD will look just hunky dory via component video to your 1080i set. Forget that as a problem!!!!
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LOL, reading the numbers quoted in the first post makes me laugh.
It is almost like Al Gore is making the inferences from the data.
The data shows that 20% of those who have a HDTV have a Blu-Ray player. That is a great adoption rate this early in the game. That is actually pretty great news for BR adoption!!!
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Re: More Research Asserts that Blu Ray Adoption Isn't Apt to Surge
I think the majority of consumers would still have difficulty picking out the BD content in blind tests, all other things being equal. Not that the difference isn't significant, but most people watch a film for the story, action etc, and have little interest in the quality of the actual presentation. It's similar to the anamorphic widescreen vs pan & scan situation. Studios could not get away with charging more for the [obviously superior] widescreen version because the average consumer could care less.
Until a Blu-Ray disc costs the same as its SD cousin, and the players reach comparable prices to a decent SD player, I think BD will remain a nich'e product.
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